You do this until you eliminate the slice spin on your shots with all clubs. This could be a day, a week or a month or two. If you slow down and roll it you will get it faster.
Thanks Paul. I have been practicing this rolling over for a long period of time but I have realized that it was not enough. I keep fading the ball and what is more important, the ball comes out too high, which according what you have said in this tip means an open club face at impact.
How many training sessions does it require approximately to get really used to it? I usually go every Saturday and hit a hundred balls or more. Do we have to practice only the same tip or shall we mix it with others (like the touching of the legs position).
Exactly. You are rolling it late. This is why I did the tip. If you do not have a lot of time just do it every night in practice swings. You do not even have to hit a ball to master this. Just work on this until you eliminate the slice spin on your shots with all clubs. Once you can do this you will then be focusing on leg drive to straighten out your shots.
Glad you like the tips. I appreciate the feedback.
Driver will be the hardest to roll so if you get that you should be doing it with the others. Keep in mind this is a drill to get you releasing it stop your from putting slice spin on it. Work on this at home and at the range. If you do, you will emininate any slice spin.
Paul,I don’t understand this “rolling over ” of the right wrist over the left ,as far as I am concerned .I never slice ,I never hook .
I let my wrists loose ,and only pay attention to the position of my right hand at impact:I want the Palm to ” look” downwards ,at the ground,the ” tray”I hold at the top of the backswing ,and the glasses it supports ,must be ” flung to the ground”.
The flight of the ball is always pretty straight ,occasionnally with a wee wee fade .
Should I endeavor to ” roll over”as you say to put some draw on the ball ,but with the risk of losing some contr
Paul ,
I ” discovered ” that the “rolling over “added several MPH to my clubhead speed .Is that normal ?
Which is the best way to “roll over “:activate the left wrist by pushing the left thumb out ,or activate the right wrist Like when you deliver a lifted tennis forehand?
Exactly, this is why I want everyone rolling it. You have said in the past that you fade it. If you are not hitting it about 250+ I would suggest not playing the fade and learning how to release it better. Once you do you will get it up to 250+ but straight or slightly drawing. I think the game would be much easier if you learn to do this.
I usually have no problem getting people to just cross the hand over right from the top down. If for some reason the person cannot do this I get them thinking about the lead thumb to the target. This allows them to get it. So you need to try both and figure out what works best for you.
You are right the stronger grip makes it harder to release. Your hands are more on the side of the club so that contributes to the restricted release. You also have the right hand being in a stronger position so it causes you to grip on tighter and you have the mental aspect of if you do roll it you will hook it off the planet. So all of these factors combined make it harder to release it with a strong grip.
Strong grip + loose wrists = massive hook
I am promoting a stronger left hand as in it is across the palm not as in a 3 knuckle position. I want 2 knuckles and across the palm of the left hand. Right hand in weaker in the fingers.
So to apply what you have just said to your teaching and different drills.
You mention we can release the club by getting out to point down the target line, and you also talk about manually squaring the club face by rolling the wrist.
Is my logic correct say this
a) if I was adopting the body release method with the club pointing at target line post impact, having a stronger grip will enhance the chances of a eliminating slice spin?
b) If we were to adopt the rolling of the wrist manually squaring of the club, you would probably execute this better with a neutral grip and NOT a strong grip ( as it would feel too tight)
a) If you have a strong grip (3 knuckles) and your wrists are loose you will hook it. If you have 2 knuckles on the top hand and your wrists are loose you will hit it basically straight. This is assuming the right hand is correct too.
b) yes, you want to be learning from a neutral grip. This way you do not hook it too much. If you hook it too much you will need another flaw to hit it straight. Why would you want flaws in your swing?
Slightly off the rollover topic, but I seem to be able to make the turn better when I energize my stomach muscles before the takeaway, and use them help trigger the downswing. If I just try to make a fast turn with my lower body, my upper body doesn’t have enough connection. Is this something to work on?
I’ve haven’t heard of this but if it works then do it. Keep in mind I want a spring-like effect as you coil and uncoil your body. You need to be careful that energizing your stomach muscles doesn’t hamper this process. Also, you have to make sure that it is repeatable and simple enough to think about. You certainly don’t want too many thoughts on your mind as you swing the club.
You body is disconnecting because you are only increasing the speed of the lower body. This is why I re-posted the release progression tip. Start with that first and hook it consistently. Then drive the lower body harder. If you do it this way you will see the connection and more power.
i feel a bit odd asking this, but i hook it easily. i haven’t quite got the timing right to move my hips fast enough to straighten it out. What i am doing is setting my grip to mostly no knuckles or one knuckle with my driver. The shots are not pull hooks, they just hook and if i’m on, they draw. Any thoughts, or should i just keep doing as i’m doing and wait till my hips catch up?
One other question: in all of your vast amount of tips, do you have any that show your swing from the top? It would help me get the combination of uncoiling and weight transfer clearer in my mind and thus easier to replicate.
thanks,
ter
(i’m getting better, really i am.)
Not sure why you are doing a weak grip with your top hand. You should be 2 knuckles. What is the right hand doing? Is this too strong? If you have a weak grip and still hooking it you are swinging way too much from the side.
When you attack too deep from the side any release is going to cause the club to hit the top right quadrant of the ball creating a duck hook. Most people see this shot and think they are hitting it left when really they are swinging too much out at it. This occurs from sliding and possibly trying to drop it to the inside:
1. Do a neutral grip – 2 knuckles of the top hand V of bottom hand between back ear and shoulder.
2. Determine if you are sliding too much laterally in the downswing (I think you are). You need to understand the downswing trigger and uncoiling more circular. This will stop your upper body from being too tilted in the downswing and get the path swinging down the line.
I like the fact you can hooking. We just need to straighten it out. Watch these tips on the lower body and touch the legs position:
Hi Paul,
Thanks for all of the tips, but i do use your recommended grip on the driver and less on my irons. There have been a few duck hooks, and there are probably some pulled shots. i have been swinging slowly so that may be why the draw/hook is so prevalent.
As for my sliding, i think you are right. When i throw a baseball i am stepping and turning my hips. Trying to transfer the weight from right to left without sliding is an area that needs work. i will work on those tips for sure.
i WILL be coming out to take a couple of lessons from you after i retire in August. i hope i haven’t developed too many bad habits that will be hard to break. One other question, when do i know when i need to renew my membership?
thanks,
ter
You have one swing and 13 clubs plus your putter. You should be able to hit anything with this swing. If not, your swing is not working.
If you can hook it you are lucky. 90% of all golfers slice it. So don’t see this as a bad thing. This is great. You need to neutralize the grip and really work on your body to straighten it out. Your body affects direction. Your wrist affect the spin.
To get the feeling of not sliding you need to narrow your stance to a 7iron and throw balls overhand. If you do you will do the lower body move perfectly. So do this and feel the movement. Then do this move in practice swings. Then finally hit balls with it.
Hi Paulworking on 2 things swinging 50 % and rolling wrist over much improvemrnt in game ,question is can hit 80 ball using the above rollover drill hook all to varying degreesthe, when i am thinking on roling wrist over i can feel wrist rolling over when i try balls not thinking about earl roll i cant feel wrist snaping over should i feel this snap roll feeling in all my shots.is it just a matter oif more of the above. last question at 50% still feel more arms then i should will dialing it down more make it eeasier to get that powerless arm feeling,only problem i find swing easy is occasioally drive alittle to hard lower body an push ball way right not often but enough tokeep me from breaking 80 .when i swing easy is the concentration on swing easy only and not worrying to much about lower body action,i try to get from A to B at 50%
You should feel the snapping on all shots. You only have one swing. The driver is the hardest to roll because it’s longer. If you can roll driver you can roll all of the other clubs. Also, keep in mind you are rolling until you have it mastered and rarely hit shots with slice spin. At this point you have it ingrained so you should be able to take your mind off of it and work on body rotation to straighten it out.
If you are swinging 50% you may feel the arms if you are still trying to roll them over. This is a manual movement so you would feel them. Once mastered you turn them off completely so they are powerless. If you are blowing it right when driving the lower you need to hook it first. The wrist release is not timed for a faster leg drive so it happens too late. So you hook it then apply more legs when you are ready.
Hi Paul thanks for info,I do this roll over drill on the driving range only, when I am on the course I just work on swinging easy 50 percent, should I be consciously trying to roll the wrists while I am on the course , still getting some slice spin on some shots on course. On the range when I do this drill can) hook ball , close to 100 percent of time that includes allot of wild hooks but on range out doesn’t matter how wild they are the question is if I consciously roll wrists over on course going to lose allot of balls.
You should be rolling it 3-5 times before every shot. When you do you have this rolling feeling in your mind. You step up and think legs and hips. Hopefully, you still roll it. Watch your ball. If you slice the next shot roll it 5-10 times. Think legs and hips. Watch your ball. If you slice 3 in a row start manually hooking it. I say this because if you have sliced 3 in a row you will keep slicing it so you might as well do something different and start hooking it when you play.
Yes, this would be a time when you are working on your swing. How else are you going to roll it over earlier than you have for 30 years. Once you do it and are good at it it will happen on its own. At this point you turn them off.
Paul,
I have more of a practice question. When working on something is that only for the range or at home? Then when you play just let it happen? I have found when working on hinging the wrist my game just goes south and is an long day on the course.
You would be working on things on the range and at home and even when you play while you are waiting for groups ahead. When you hit your shots you should be thinking coil/uncoil with your body. If you are thinking and working on too much when you play it will be a disaster.
What order should you learn this swing? I have been practicing coil, uncoil and finish. I tend to push everything to the right. MY old swing it was just the opposite, pull and pull hooks. I tried rotating more but that didn’t help. I started using the roll over drills but that seems to completely mess up trying to use a body swing and effortless arms. Was wondering for now just keeping working on coil and perfect finish and get that down to muscle memory then work on squaring the club. Also when trying to maintain more lag that pushed the ball out even further right.
You can find any cure by going to the red navigation bar to the left under GOLF TIPS > CURES. or you can go to the right side and type in what you are looking for. Push and all tips on pushing will come up.
When you do the roll over drill you would be feeling your arms. You get it. Then you turn them back off remembering the feeling. There are times you will feel your arms. This would be when you are working on certain things. So fix the problem by manually fixing the problem.
Yes, working on lag would do that because you are holding the lag angle too long:
Hi Paul! After almost a year of your lessons I am finally getting it. It’s in the 30’s now but I am at the range every day at lunch hitting my 30 balls with 3 practice swings between most hits. Loosening my wrists, trying my darndest to keep the arms relaxed, touching the legs and touching the head, keeping my head behind the ball, letting my arms extend, and today working on the release. Now I at least know what I have to do to get that effortless feeling and hear that nice click of the ball while feeling next to nothing. Anyhow, I need a couple of clarifications if you would be so kind:
1) Though you make no effort whatsoever to hit anything, I find when going from a 1/2 tee down to about a 1/4 inch tee it is really awkward. For the last month I hit only my 7i from the taller tee to make things easier as you suggest. So should you hover the club head behind the ball on the tee or just sole the club? Otherwise, how do you adjust to different tee heights unless your hand eye coordination simply makes adjustments based on tee height. I really want to nail all those 150 to 170 par three holes.
I have watched the powerless arm drills many times and also the “not floppy arms”. My old swing required me to consciously “drop the club into the slot” and time that with my turn. It was sometimes very good and sometimes very bad as I timed my “drop” and turn/shift with tight arms and wrists.
Would it be safe to say that as long as you keep the triangle formed by your arms and chest intact, keep your wrists loose to hinge and unhinge, and start with the lower half that you are doing it right? In other words, by thinking about and trying to keep my left arm fairly straight and both arms straight just past impact and thinking about dropping into the slot — am I doing it wrong? I guess I am asking more about the subtleties of the powerless arms v. floppy arms. Ideally I could rely on the centrifugal force to just pull my arms out straight, but we are folding our right arm at the top and keeping it “tucked” in the downswing. I am fighting the dreaded chicken wing/tight contracted arms so I concentrate on getting that right arm fully extended after impact. So, is it mostly not retracting the arms and locking the wrists = powerless arms. Not trying to swing with the arms which causes casting and disconnect from the shoulders = lost triangle. I play with better players that seem to swing their arms, but there arms are in sync with their shoulders and they maintain the triangle.
The powerless arms is so key to everything you teach. Yet It looks as though you drop it into the slot and also get full extension by having repeated that move so many times. So is it wrong to have to slot the club and extend the club — does that violate powerless arms.
Thanks for all your help. I have never learned a method with so much instant feedback that allows me to improve my swing with definite touch points.
Glad you are getting it. I like how you are practicing. 3 practice swings 1 ball. This is the way to do it.
1. Just set the club on the ground. Don’t hover it. It’s only a 1/4 difference. You shouldn’t be having an issue. Just let you body lower to get the ball.
2. As you coil back you need to set this backswing position. So just keeping the triangle may not get you to the top. You need to lift it up there and set it.
In no way am I dropping it. I an firing my body and it drops on its own. If you think drop you don’t have time. As soon as you drop your club will be almost hitting the ball as it’s only 1/4 of a second from the top to impact.
Get the dropping with not hitting and tilting your body behind the ball as you hit it. It is the body tilt that affects the path:
in no way have I ever thought about the right elbow. If yours is flying then work on it but all you would have to do is get the tilt. You can’t tile and fly the elbow. If you tuck so should the elbow.
So do lots of swings off the ground. You can feel like you are swinging slightly up at it. This would get the tilt and the club attacking from the inside. Watch the back of the ball as you hit the ball:
Glad you like my instruction. Sounds like you are getting close to low single digits. To get the you can’t be too far off. Just make it simple. Coil uncoil. Hinge rehinge. How do you hit it? By uncoiling not by hitting. If you start the body (axis) first the mass (club) would flatten 100% of the time.
Very good. With the nest up don’t forget the practice swings. People hit ball after ball which is not how to master it. Practice swings and repetitions looking for the feedback and checkpoints of the positions.
I am noticing I have a tendency to not have my left wrist pronated when releasing, when I roll my wrists, even when thinking about keeping them loose I still have my left wrist too cupped in and then release a bit early. I don’t get a slice, but a higher, weaker, shot. Any advice on that?
Go slower with your release and make sure that your hands and wrists are working correctly. You want to get some hooks going, so you would need to roll your wrists sooner..not faster. Hit some shots that go 25% of normal with a full golf swing.
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39 Responses to “Release Progression”
December 4, 2013
WesleyBergmanHow often should the roll over adjustment be required for an average golfer?
December 4, 2013
Paul WilsonWesley,
You do this until you eliminate the slice spin on your shots with all clubs. This could be a day, a week or a month or two. If you slow down and roll it you will get it faster.
December 4, 2013
JoseCarcellerThanks Paul. I have been practicing this rolling over for a long period of time but I have realized that it was not enough. I keep fading the ball and what is more important, the ball comes out too high, which according what you have said in this tip means an open club face at impact.
How many training sessions does it require approximately to get really used to it? I usually go every Saturday and hit a hundred balls or more. Do we have to practice only the same tip or shall we mix it with others (like the touching of the legs position).
Thanks for the great tips.
December 4, 2013
Paul WilsonJose,
Exactly. You are rolling it late. This is why I did the tip. If you do not have a lot of time just do it every night in practice swings. You do not even have to hit a ball to master this. Just work on this until you eliminate the slice spin on your shots with all clubs. Once you can do this you will then be focusing on leg drive to straighten out your shots.
December 4, 2013
ThomasPerkeyi am 68 first year of golf. Do you roll over for all clubs and wedges or just driver. i want to say thanks for your lessons
December 4, 2013
Paul WilsonThomas,
Glad you like the tips. I appreciate the feedback.
Driver will be the hardest to roll so if you get that you should be doing it with the others. Keep in mind this is a drill to get you releasing it stop your from putting slice spin on it. Work on this at home and at the range. If you do, you will emininate any slice spin.
December 6, 2013
RaymondCHASTELPaul,I don’t understand this “rolling over ” of the right wrist over the left ,as far as I am concerned .I never slice ,I never hook .
I let my wrists loose ,and only pay attention to the position of my right hand at impact:I want the Palm to ” look” downwards ,at the ground,the ” tray”I hold at the top of the backswing ,and the glasses it supports ,must be ” flung to the ground”.
The flight of the ball is always pretty straight ,occasionnally with a wee wee fade .
Should I endeavor to ” roll over”as you say to put some draw on the ball ,but with the risk of losing some contr
December 6, 2013
Paul WilsonRayomnd,
If you want to get rid of the fade you hook it first then straighten it out later. If you want to keep the fade don’t work on this stuff.
December 9, 2013
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,
I ” discovered ” that the “rolling over “added several MPH to my clubhead speed .Is that normal ?
Which is the best way to “roll over “:activate the left wrist by pushing the left thumb out ,or activate the right wrist Like when you deliver a lifted tennis forehand?
December 9, 2013
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Exactly, this is why I want everyone rolling it. You have said in the past that you fade it. If you are not hitting it about 250+ I would suggest not playing the fade and learning how to release it better. Once you do you will get it up to 250+ but straight or slightly drawing. I think the game would be much easier if you learn to do this.
I usually have no problem getting people to just cross the hand over right from the top down. If for some reason the person cannot do this I get them thinking about the lead thumb to the target. This allows them to get it. So you need to try both and figure out what works best for you.
December 17, 2013
AndrewMahHi Paul
Many thanks for your tips. They are so clear and on the money.
Just a quick question, why is it when you strengthen your grip (right hand player) on the left hand ( 3 knuckles or more), does it
December 18, 2013
Paul WilsonAndrew,
You are right the stronger grip makes it harder to release. Your hands are more on the side of the club so that contributes to the restricted release. You also have the right hand being in a stronger position so it causes you to grip on tighter and you have the mental aspect of if you do roll it you will hook it off the planet. So all of these factors combined make it harder to release it with a strong grip.
Strong grip + loose wrists = massive hook
I am promoting a stronger left hand as in it is across the palm not as in a 3 knuckle position. I want 2 knuckles and across the palm of the left hand. Right hand in weaker in the fingers.
December 18, 2013
AndrewMahHi Paul
Thanks for the clarification, that is helpful.
So to apply what you have just said to your teaching and different drills.
You mention we can release the club by getting out to point down the target line, and you also talk about manually squaring the club face by rolling the wrist.
Is my logic correct say this
a) if I was adopting the body release method with the club pointing at target line post impact, having a stronger grip will enhance the chances of a eliminating slice spin?
b) If we were to adopt the rolling of the wrist manually squaring of the club, you would probably execute this better with a neutral grip and NOT a strong grip ( as it would feel too tight)
would you agree with points a and points b?
cheers
Andrew
December 18, 2013
Paul WilsonAndrew,
a) If you have a strong grip (3 knuckles) and your wrists are loose you will hook it. If you have 2 knuckles on the top hand and your wrists are loose you will hit it basically straight. This is assuming the right hand is correct too.
b) yes, you want to be learning from a neutral grip. This way you do not hook it too much. If you hook it too much you will need another flaw to hit it straight. Why would you want flaws in your swing?
November 29, 2014
DonLocharySlightly off the rollover topic, but I seem to be able to make the turn better when I energize my stomach muscles before the takeaway, and use them help trigger the downswing. If I just try to make a fast turn with my lower body, my upper body doesn’t have enough connection. Is this something to work on?
November 30, 2014
Paul WilsonDon,
I’ve haven’t heard of this but if it works then do it. Keep in mind I want a spring-like effect as you coil and uncoil your body. You need to be careful that energizing your stomach muscles doesn’t hamper this process. Also, you have to make sure that it is repeatable and simple enough to think about. You certainly don’t want too many thoughts on your mind as you swing the club.
You body is disconnecting because you are only increasing the speed of the lower body. This is why I re-posted the release progression tip. Start with that first and hook it consistently. Then drive the lower body harder. If you do it this way you will see the connection and more power.
February 21, 2015
terrybadgeri feel a bit odd asking this, but i hook it easily. i haven’t quite got the timing right to move my hips fast enough to straighten it out. What i am doing is setting my grip to mostly no knuckles or one knuckle with my driver. The shots are not pull hooks, they just hook and if i’m on, they draw. Any thoughts, or should i just keep doing as i’m doing and wait till my hips catch up?
One other question: in all of your vast amount of tips, do you have any that show your swing from the top? It would help me get the combination of uncoiling and weight transfer clearer in my mind and thus easier to replicate.
thanks,
ter
(i’m getting better, really i am.)
February 22, 2015
Paul WilsonTerry,
Not sure why you are doing a weak grip with your top hand. You should be 2 knuckles. What is the right hand doing? Is this too strong? If you have a weak grip and still hooking it you are swinging way too much from the side.
Watch:
Hooking: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-hooking
When you attack too deep from the side any release is going to cause the club to hit the top right quadrant of the ball creating a duck hook. Most people see this shot and think they are hitting it left when really they are swinging too much out at it. This occurs from sliding and possibly trying to drop it to the inside:
Watch:
Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-slide
You Better Check This Especially If You Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/slide-turn-foot-out/
Easy Way To Cure A Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/easy-way-cure-slide/
This may help:
Impact Hip Rotation (at camera): https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-hip-rotation/
Lower Body Through Impact (top View): https://ignitiongolf.com/back-knee-impact/
Exactly How to Start the Downswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/lead-knee-back/
WHAT TO WORK ON
1. Do a neutral grip – 2 knuckles of the top hand V of bottom hand between back ear and shoulder.
2. Determine if you are sliding too much laterally in the downswing (I think you are). You need to understand the downswing trigger and uncoiling more circular. This will stop your upper body from being too tilted in the downswing and get the path swinging down the line.
I like the fact you can hooking. We just need to straighten it out. Watch these tips on the lower body and touch the legs position:
Coiling: https://ignitiongolf.com/learn-coil-backswing
Uncoil 1: https://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil
Uncoil 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil-follow-up
Legs Touching: https://ignitiongolf.com/touch-knees
Exactly How To Do Touch The Legs Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-touch-the-legs-position/
It’s a Turn Not A Jump: https://ignitiongolf.com/turn-not-jump/
Secret of the Starting the Downswing (using triggers – off big toe curve): https://ignitiongolf.com/shift-roll/
Lean On Club to Touch Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lean-on-club
It’s Like A Throwing Motion: https://ignitiongolf.com/like-throwing-motion/
February 23, 2015
terrybadgerHi Paul,
Thanks for all of the tips, but i do use your recommended grip on the driver and less on my irons. There have been a few duck hooks, and there are probably some pulled shots. i have been swinging slowly so that may be why the draw/hook is so prevalent.
As for my sliding, i think you are right. When i throw a baseball i am stepping and turning my hips. Trying to transfer the weight from right to left without sliding is an area that needs work. i will work on those tips for sure.
i WILL be coming out to take a couple of lessons from you after i retire in August. i hope i haven’t developed too many bad habits that will be hard to break. One other question, when do i know when i need to renew my membership?
thanks,
ter
February 24, 2015
Paul WilsonTerry,
You have one swing and 13 clubs plus your putter. You should be able to hit anything with this swing. If not, your swing is not working.
If you can hook it you are lucky. 90% of all golfers slice it. So don’t see this as a bad thing. This is great. You need to neutralize the grip and really work on your body to straighten it out. Your body affects direction. Your wrist affect the spin.
To get the feeling of not sliding you need to narrow your stance to a 7iron and throw balls overhand. If you do you will do the lower body move perfectly. So do this and feel the movement. Then do this move in practice swings. Then finally hit balls with it.
Watch:
It’s Like A Throwing Motion: https://ignitiongolf.com/like-throwing-motion/
Legs Touching: https://ignitiongolf.com/touch-knees
Exactly How To Do Touch The Legs Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-touch-the-legs-position/
It’s a Turn Not A Jump: https://ignitiongolf.com/turn-not-jump/
Lean On Club to Touch Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lean-on-club
June 4, 2015
golfer99Hi Paulworking on 2 things swinging 50 % and rolling wrist over much improvemrnt in game ,question is can hit 80 ball using the above rollover drill hook all to varying degreesthe, when i am thinking on roling wrist over i can feel wrist rolling over when i try balls not thinking about earl roll i cant feel wrist snaping over should i feel this snap roll feeling in all my shots.is it just a matter oif more of the above. last question at 50% still feel more arms then i should will dialing it down more make it eeasier to get that powerless arm feeling,only problem i find swing easy is occasioally drive alittle to hard lower body an push ball way right not often but enough tokeep me from breaking 80 .when i swing easy is the concentration on swing easy only and not worrying to much about lower body action,i try to get from A to B at 50%
June 4, 2015
Paul WilsonBarry,
You should feel the snapping on all shots. You only have one swing. The driver is the hardest to roll because it’s longer. If you can roll driver you can roll all of the other clubs. Also, keep in mind you are rolling until you have it mastered and rarely hit shots with slice spin. At this point you have it ingrained so you should be able to take your mind off of it and work on body rotation to straighten it out.
If you are swinging 50% you may feel the arms if you are still trying to roll them over. This is a manual movement so you would feel them. Once mastered you turn them off completely so they are powerless. If you are blowing it right when driving the lower you need to hook it first. The wrist release is not timed for a faster leg drive so it happens too late. So you hook it then apply more legs when you are ready.
Driving Hips Harder But Hook It First: https://ignitiongolf.com/driving-hips-hook-first/
June 5, 2015
golfer99Hi Paul thanks for info,I do this roll over drill on the driving range only, when I am on the course I just work on swinging easy 50 percent, should I be consciously trying to roll the wrists while I am on the course , still getting some slice spin on some shots on course. On the range when I do this drill can) hook ball , close to 100 percent of time that includes allot of wild hooks but on range out doesn’t matter how wild they are the question is if I consciously roll wrists over on course going to lose allot of balls.
June 7, 2015
Paul WilsonBarry,
You should be rolling it 3-5 times before every shot. When you do you have this rolling feeling in your mind. You step up and think legs and hips. Hopefully, you still roll it. Watch your ball. If you slice the next shot roll it 5-10 times. Think legs and hips. Watch your ball. If you slice 3 in a row start manually hooking it. I say this because if you have sliced 3 in a row you will keep slicing it so you might as well do something different and start hooking it when you play.
What To Do If You Slice Your First Tee Shot: https://ignitiongolf.com/shot-first-tee-slice/
June 9, 2015
golfer99Hi Paul tried the rolling wrist 5 times before shots on course worked great today.thanks
June 9, 2015
Paul WilsonBarry,
Very good. Keep doing this every time you play until you know for a fact they are loose.
December 3, 2015
RegLakeHi Paul,
While learning to hook the ball it seems like your only using your arms? is this correct.
And how do I take it to the golf course ?
December 3, 2015
Paul WilsonReg,
Yes, this would be a time when you are working on your swing. How else are you going to roll it over earlier than you have for 30 years. Once you do it and are good at it it will happen on its own. At this point you turn them off.
April 9, 2016
JohnCuendetPaul,
I have more of a practice question. When working on something is that only for the range or at home? Then when you play just let it happen? I have found when working on hinging the wrist my game just goes south and is an long day on the course.
April 10, 2016
Paul WilsonJohn,
You would be working on things on the range and at home and even when you play while you are waiting for groups ahead. When you hit your shots you should be thinking coil/uncoil with your body. If you are thinking and working on too much when you play it will be a disaster.
June 12, 2018
DonYoshikawaWhat order should you learn this swing? I have been practicing coil, uncoil and finish. I tend to push everything to the right. MY old swing it was just the opposite, pull and pull hooks. I tried rotating more but that didn’t help. I started using the roll over drills but that seems to completely mess up trying to use a body swing and effortless arms. Was wondering for now just keeping working on coil and perfect finish and get that down to muscle memory then work on squaring the club. Also when trying to maintain more lag that pushed the ball out even further right.
June 13, 2018
Paul WilsonDon,
You need to start here: https://ignitiongolf.com/start-here/
Sounds like you are are uncoil too fast and your wrists are not timed for this. You need to watch this tip:
DRILL: Golf Swing Timing For More Distance: https://ignitiongolf.com/timing-more-distance/
You can find any cure by going to the red navigation bar to the left under GOLF TIPS > CURES. or you can go to the right side and type in what you are looking for. Push and all tips on pushing will come up.
How To Cure Pushes and Push Fades: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pushes-push-fades/
Remembering How to Cure Pushed Shots: https://ignitiongolf.com/remembering-cure-pushed-shots/
When you do the roll over drill you would be feeling your arms. You get it. Then you turn them back off remembering the feeling. There are times you will feel your arms. This would be when you are working on certain things. So fix the problem by manually fixing the problem.
Yes, working on lag would do that because you are holding the lag angle too long:
Holding Your Lag Angle Too Long?: https://ignitiongolf.com/hold-lag-too-long/
You need to do this instead:
Lag And Release Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/lag-release-drill/
See The Good In A Push or Push Fade: https://ignitiongolf.com/see-good-push-push-fade/
November 13, 2018
RichardDuffinHi Paul! After almost a year of your lessons I am finally getting it. It’s in the 30’s now but I am at the range every day at lunch hitting my 30 balls with 3 practice swings between most hits. Loosening my wrists, trying my darndest to keep the arms relaxed, touching the legs and touching the head, keeping my head behind the ball, letting my arms extend, and today working on the release. Now I at least know what I have to do to get that effortless feeling and hear that nice click of the ball while feeling next to nothing. Anyhow, I need a couple of clarifications if you would be so kind:
1) Though you make no effort whatsoever to hit anything, I find when going from a 1/2 tee down to about a 1/4 inch tee it is really awkward. For the last month I hit only my 7i from the taller tee to make things easier as you suggest. So should you hover the club head behind the ball on the tee or just sole the club? Otherwise, how do you adjust to different tee heights unless your hand eye coordination simply makes adjustments based on tee height. I really want to nail all those 150 to 170 par three holes.
I have watched the powerless arm drills many times and also the “not floppy arms”. My old swing required me to consciously “drop the club into the slot” and time that with my turn. It was sometimes very good and sometimes very bad as I timed my “drop” and turn/shift with tight arms and wrists.
Would it be safe to say that as long as you keep the triangle formed by your arms and chest intact, keep your wrists loose to hinge and unhinge, and start with the lower half that you are doing it right? In other words, by thinking about and trying to keep my left arm fairly straight and both arms straight just past impact and thinking about dropping into the slot — am I doing it wrong? I guess I am asking more about the subtleties of the powerless arms v. floppy arms. Ideally I could rely on the centrifugal force to just pull my arms out straight, but we are folding our right arm at the top and keeping it “tucked” in the downswing. I am fighting the dreaded chicken wing/tight contracted arms so I concentrate on getting that right arm fully extended after impact. So, is it mostly not retracting the arms and locking the wrists = powerless arms. Not trying to swing with the arms which causes casting and disconnect from the shoulders = lost triangle. I play with better players that seem to swing their arms, but there arms are in sync with their shoulders and they maintain the triangle.
The powerless arms is so key to everything you teach. Yet It looks as though you drop it into the slot and also get full extension by having repeated that move so many times. So is it wrong to have to slot the club and extend the club — does that violate powerless arms.
Thanks for all your help. I have never learned a method with so much instant feedback that allows me to improve my swing with definite touch points.
November 14, 2018
Paul WilsonRichard,
Glad you are getting it. I like how you are practicing. 3 practice swings 1 ball. This is the way to do it.
1. Just set the club on the ground. Don’t hover it. It’s only a 1/4 difference. You shouldn’t be having an issue. Just let you body lower to get the ball.
2. As you coil back you need to set this backswing position. So just keeping the triangle may not get you to the top. You need to lift it up there and set it.
Watch:
Lead Arm Rides Up: https://ignitiongolf.com/lead-arm-rides-up/
Lead Arm Rides Up Example: https://ignitiongolf.com/lead-arm-rides-up-example/
In no way am I dropping it. I an firing my body and it drops on its own. If you think drop you don’t have time. As soon as you drop your club will be almost hitting the ball as it’s only 1/4 of a second from the top to impact.
Get the dropping with not hitting and tilting your body behind the ball as you hit it. It is the body tilt that affects the path:
2 Things Flatten the Plane: https://ignitiongolf.com/2-things-flatten-plane/
Right Elbow: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-right-elbow/
in no way have I ever thought about the right elbow. If yours is flying then work on it but all you would have to do is get the tilt. You can’t tile and fly the elbow. If you tuck so should the elbow.
So do lots of swings off the ground. You can feel like you are swinging slightly up at it. This would get the tilt and the club attacking from the inside. Watch the back of the ball as you hit the ball:
Watch Back of The Golf Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-backside-golf-ball/
Another Way To Stay Behind It: https://ignitiongolf.com/another-way-to-stay-behind-it/
Glad you like my instruction. Sounds like you are getting close to low single digits. To get the you can’t be too far off. Just make it simple. Coil uncoil. Hinge rehinge. How do you hit it? By uncoiling not by hitting. If you start the body (axis) first the mass (club) would flatten 100% of the time.
November 14, 2018
RichardDuffinThanks Paul. My boss says I can put a net up and a mat in the warehouse! We’ll be ready for the senior tour by Spring.
November 16, 2018
Paul WilsonRichard,
Very good. With the nest up don’t forget the practice swings. People hit ball after ball which is not how to master it. Practice swings and repetitions looking for the feedback and checkpoints of the positions.
September 3, 2020
JohnSharkeyHi Paul
I am noticing I have a tendency to not have my left wrist pronated when releasing, when I roll my wrists, even when thinking about keeping them loose I still have my left wrist too cupped in and then release a bit early. I don’t get a slice, but a higher, weaker, shot. Any advice on that?
Thanks,
John
September 5, 2020
Paul WilsonThese are the best tips I have done to help with the release:
Vertical To Vertical: https://ignitiongolf.com/vertical-to-vertical/
Vertical To Vertical – Part 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/vertical-to-vertical-part2/
Go slower with your release and make sure that your hands and wrists are working correctly. You want to get some hooks going, so you would need to roll your wrists sooner..not faster. Hit some shots that go 25% of normal with a full golf swing.
September 5, 2020
JohnSharkeyThanks so much, Paul!