1. Can you give me a link to a video on the one-piece takeaway, so I won’t bring it back inside–forcing the over the top move?
2. Having asked that, do you have any comment on David Ledbetter’s “A-Swing” vertical takeaway and his suggested grip? Reminds me of Trahan’s stuff (whose site led me to you some few years ago).
Very good. I want people to learn how to use it. That is why I created it.
I really don’t know anything about it nor do I care. Vertical takeaway. Why? You would have to do that with your arms. Not good. How are you going to turn them off as you come down? I will check it out when I have time. Why not just tell people to not hit the ball with their arms? Oh, I’m doing that.
Paul,
Great video. Is there a tip on where the butt of the club head should be (travels) on the downswing? Somewhat of a correlation between the club head and the butt on the down swing and follow through.
I did a tip on this at the approaching impact position a while ago but I think we lost audio on it.
If you start with your body and keep the arms powerless the club will be perfectly on plane so you really don’t need to be thinking of the butt anyway.
Well, if you totally turned you arms off you would have to find a different power source. Your body is the only other way you can do it. The key is turning them off. Little kids and petite players do not have the option to pull down as they have minimal arm strength.
2/3 distance is a great one. This is a test. Pass this and you are on your way. Then speed up the lower body more more power.
Lately I’ve been feeling like I’m keeping my right should back or still as I start the downswing by touching my knees. It seems to help any tendency to come over the top. Does that make sense? Thanks for the great website.
Paul,
Is “manually tilting” similar to the “vertical drop of the arms” and “setting the club at the top” in that they all are ways to promote flattening of the swing plane in order to overcome hitting over the top?
Thanks.
Wally
If you drop your arms you would stay behind it and tilt so in a way they would be accomplishing the same goal. Remember, you only have 1/4 of a second to impact. If you are thinking drop when are you doing to turn? Might hit fat shots doing this too because you will be trapped on your back foot. You really need to learn what your body should be doing so think about this tilt too.
Oddly enough I pull my mid irons and wedges but hit most of my drives straight. I feel that this tip is the real key to getting the swing on plane.
Going off to the range to concentrate on this area.
You’re tips have transformed my game and even as very much a senior, have maintained my single figure handicap thanks to your tuition. Keep them coming.
Yup, this one is very good tip. I know you’ve explained it many times in others, but this one in particular with the headcover and the different hand positions really sends it home as to the ’causes’ of the undesirable shots/planes. Also, thanks for the reminder about sliding vs turning as that is sometimes pretty subtle to detect, but easily able to illustrate as the cure… 🙂
The one thing I seem to struggle with while using your technique is my ball striking. Because my arms are powerless I don’t seem to hit the ball as clean. What would you suggest I do to work on this? My ball flight is way better then it’s ever been when I strike it properly.
I need to know more information. Toe, heel, thin, fat. Once I know this I can help you better. Once I get people to stop hitting and we base it on coiling and uncoiling the ball striking becomes phenomenal so there’s something not quite right.
Hi Paul what do you feel when you push for rotation ??? Also how do you personally start the rotation please advise
I really struggle to rotate for some reason
I start down by taking my back instep. Digging it in and pushing in a circle from my back instep. This gets me to the touch the legs position. Do you not know the triggers?
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22 Responses to “2 Things Flatten the Plane”
September 22, 2015
JuleHerbert1. Can you give me a link to a video on the one-piece takeaway, so I won’t bring it back inside–forcing the over the top move?
2. Having asked that, do you have any comment on David Ledbetter’s “A-Swing” vertical takeaway and his suggested grip? Reminds me of Trahan’s stuff (whose site led me to you some few years ago).
September 23, 2015
Paul WilsonJule,
Very good. I want people to learn how to use it. That is why I created it.
I really don’t know anything about it nor do I care. Vertical takeaway. Why? You would have to do that with your arms. Not good. How are you going to turn them off as you come down? I will check it out when I have time. Why not just tell people to not hit the ball with their arms? Oh, I’m doing that.
September 22, 2015
JuleHerbertPaul: I found it myself. https://ignitiongolf.com/dashboard/dashboard.php?taxonomy_id=17§ion=daily-tip. Love the dashboard.
September 23, 2015
GregMinorPaul,
Great video. Is there a tip on where the butt of the club head should be (travels) on the downswing? Somewhat of a correlation between the club head and the butt on the down swing and follow through.
Thanks,
Greg
September 23, 2015
Paul WilsonGreg,
I did a tip on this at the approaching impact position a while ago but I think we lost audio on it.
If you start with your body and keep the arms powerless the club will be perfectly on plane so you really don’t need to be thinking of the butt anyway.
This is what I have:
Feelings Series – Approaching Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/feelings-series-approaching-impact/
Flatten Plane 1: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-flatten-plane
Flatten Plane 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-flatten-plane-2
Right Elbow: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-right-elbow/
DRILL: Stop Coming Over The Top: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-coming-over-the-top/
October 9, 2019
MichaelBarrettPaul,
It amazes me how often I’m reading your tips that powerless arms is really a huge key in making everything else just fall into place.
I’m working hard on your “hit the ball 2/3 your max distance” so I can feel powerless arms. It really is the secret sauce in the golf swing.
Love your teachings! Head and shoulders above the rest!
Thanks,
Mike
October 17, 2019
Paul WilsonMichael,
Well, if you totally turned you arms off you would have to find a different power source. Your body is the only other way you can do it. The key is turning them off. Little kids and petite players do not have the option to pull down as they have minimal arm strength.
2/3 distance is a great one. This is a test. Pass this and you are on your way. Then speed up the lower body more more power.
Thanks for the kind words.
September 23, 2015
tedvernonPaul,
Lately I’ve been feeling like I’m keeping my right should back or still as I start the downswing by touching my knees. It seems to help any tendency to come over the top. Does that make sense? Thanks for the great website.
September 23, 2015
Paul WilsonTed,
Be careful because if the shoulders are too square through impact you will start flipping it or blowing it right.
Watch:
How To Stop Flipping Through Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-flipping/
Shoulders At Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-shoulders/
September 23, 2015
wallylitwaPaul,
Is “manually tilting” similar to the “vertical drop of the arms” and “setting the club at the top” in that they all are ways to promote flattening of the swing plane in order to overcome hitting over the top?
Thanks.
Wally
September 23, 2015
Paul WilsonWally,
If you drop your arms you would stay behind it and tilt so in a way they would be accomplishing the same goal. Remember, you only have 1/4 of a second to impact. If you are thinking drop when are you doing to turn? Might hit fat shots doing this too because you will be trapped on your back foot. You really need to learn what your body should be doing so think about this tilt too.
September 23, 2015
daviddonaldsonOddly enough I pull my mid irons and wedges but hit most of my drives straight. I feel that this tip is the real key to getting the swing on plane.
Going off to the range to concentrate on this area.
You’re tips have transformed my game and even as very much a senior, have maintained my single figure handicap thanks to your tuition. Keep them coming.
September 23, 2015
Paul WilsonDavid,
Very good. I love hearing about improvement.
This will cure the pull.
September 23, 2015
KimBozikPaul,
Yup, this one is very good tip. I know you’ve explained it many times in others, but this one in particular with the headcover and the different hand positions really sends it home as to the ’causes’ of the undesirable shots/planes. Also, thanks for the reminder about sliding vs turning as that is sometimes pretty subtle to detect, but easily able to illustrate as the cure… 🙂
-Kim
September 23, 2015
Paul WilsonKim,
Glad you liked it. Thanks.
I like it when people “get it.”
September 27, 2015
SteveHonsakerHi Paul,
The one thing I seem to struggle with while using your technique is my ball striking. Because my arms are powerless I don’t seem to hit the ball as clean. What would you suggest I do to work on this? My ball flight is way better then it’s ever been when I strike it properly.
Thanks, Steve
September 27, 2015
Paul WilsonSteve,
I need to know more information. Toe, heel, thin, fat. Once I know this I can help you better. Once I get people to stop hitting and we base it on coiling and uncoiling the ball striking becomes phenomenal so there’s something not quite right.
September 28, 2015
SteveHonsakerMore times then not I seem to uncoil, tilt back a little bit and hit the ground just before the ball.
Thanks,
Steve
September 29, 2015
Paul WilsonSteve,
This would be a fat shot found in the dashboard under CURES > FAT
You have too much weight on the back foot at impact. Easy fix.
Watch:
Fat While Staying Back: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-hanging-back-impact
Stop Fat Shots When Working On Moving Your Head: https://ignitiongolf.com/fat-shots-moving-your-head/
September 29, 2015
SteveHonsakerThanks Paul!
October 15, 2019
BasharatLiaquatHi Paul what do you feel when you push for rotation ??? Also how do you personally start the rotation please advise
I really struggle to rotate for some reason
October 17, 2019
Paul WilsonBasharat,
Here is what I feel:
It’s An Unmistakable Feeling In Your Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/unmistakable-feeling-legs/
I start down by taking my back instep. Digging it in and pushing in a circle from my back instep. This gets me to the touch the legs position. Do you not know the triggers?
Try The Triggers: https://ignitiongolf.com/try-the-triggers/
Secret of the Starting the Downswing (using triggers – off big toe curve): https://ignitiongolf.com/shift-roll/
Thinking About Trigger Before Starting Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/thinking-about-trigger/
Also,
Understanding the Initial Move Down (no left leg): https://ignitiongolf.com/initial-move-down/
(REPOST) What To Feel In The Transition: https://ignitiongolf.com/transition-what-to-feel/
Choose The Right Power Source: https://ignitiongolf.com/choose-the-right-power-source/
How Much Legs (jump): https://ignitiongolf.com/jump-feel-legs/
Downswing – Which Hand To Use: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-which-hand/
Thinking About Trigger Before Starting Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/thinking-about-trigger/
Do Not Rush The Transition: https://ignitiongolf.com/dont-rush-transition/