the only way you could turn on a horizontal plane would be if you were standing straight up and down. Although I want you taller I do not want you standing up.
Paul,This is quite a controversial question:NICK PRICE ,LEE TREVINO had fast swings (And fast backswings ).
On the opposite ,SAM SNEAD and ERNIE ELS ,amongst others ,had very slow swings (and backswings ).
John NOVOSEL in TOUR TEMPO (and mathematical démonstrations ) show that the ratio of backswing time to downswing time is around 3/1 .
So if the backswing is too slow ,so is the downswing,and so is the clubhead speed.
As you say ,it’s more a feeling than pure reality:you have to “feel “the backswing is slow ,while it is not that much slow in reality .
With the SSRTT you can measure the time of the total swing :it’s in the region of 1,20 seconds “mas or menos “.
The girls have sometimes exaggerately slow swings ,this being the case of one “wee bit ” KOREAN girl who is otherwise a very good player .
But you are right :don’t “snatch” the club back make it smooth and fluid !
We’ve discussed this numerous times in the past. I want you slowing down the backswing so you take the arms out of your swing. Sure, there are tour players that use their arms. I want you basing the swing on the coiling and uncoiling of your body. In doing so this will give you the appearance of a slower swing.
I guarantee that before Novasel’s book not one of the players you suggest timed their swings for this ratio yet they have it. Anyone who builds a great swing will have it too because the backswing will always be slower than the downswing in a good swing. I like over 1 second on the SSR.
Paul, as always, another great tip! You mention that at set up your grip pressure is 2 out of 10. When and where does that change? What’s your grip pressure at the top of the backswing? What’s your grip pressure during the course of the downswing and at impact?
That is going to start changing as soon as I start taking it back. It is gradual as I get to the top. Top of the backswing I am 8 out of 10. Didn’t I say that in the opposite grip tip?
Hi Paul,
Getting my arms relaxed, getting a good shoulder turn, and getting my weight transferred to my back foot on my take away seems to be easier for me if i just press a little forward before i start the one piece take away. i address the ball as you have taught with even weight distribution, but before i start, i exhale and rock forward ever so slightly. It is very subtle, not exaggerated, but it kind of helps me get into a rhythmic, slow tempo. Without it i feel like i jerk into the backswing. As long as i don’t let it get out of hand, do you see any problems with it?
thanks,
ter
This is fine. It is keeping you in motion. I just don’t like people pressing it and changing their grip or face angle. If it is subtle it is okay. Obviously it is working so keep doing it. You should not be starting from a static position.
Whenever I take the club back slowly, I have an out of rhythm feel at the top and it makes me want to go after it (I am told that I “jump” at the ball, probably because my mind equates power with the faster golf swing. Lets say you have to carry it 200 yards to carry a pond. I take it back slow but my mind says,”you ain’t getting over this pond if you don’t get back to this ball quickly with some ummph” (subconscience thought) so I jump at it. I totally get that this is wrong but the question is, how can you reprogram your mind to trust that the slower rhythmic swing will get the job done under pressure?
To change the thought you need another thought. You can also use logic. If it logically makes sense why it will work then you can convince yourself to do it. I need you to go back slower to stop the arms from tightening up as you go back. So understand why you are doing it. Also, you can change the thought by taking it back by thinking of coiling your shoulders back. If you coil your arms will move. Your arms are connected to your body so they will move if you coil.
Once you get to the top you shouldn’t even be thinking of hitting the ball. You should be thinking of moving to my follow through position “touch the legs” and “touch the head.” I really think you need some practice working on these things. When you do practice hit easy shots. In no time you will see that you will hit it almost as far or just as far with half the speed. If so, why would you want to swing hard. The payoff is not there. Keep swinging easy. Get used to it. Then power the swing by driving your legs harder. Although I don’t look like I’m swinging hard I am putting a ton of power in my legs. This is what you need to get too. I am totally fine with the person swinging hard with their legs not their arms. So change the thought start feeling different things. If you do not feel anything different you are doing your old swing.
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10 Responses to “Opposite Series – Backswing Speed”
October 9, 2015
RICKOshanaDo you want us to turn the shoulders on a true horizontal plane or turn them on a plane that is perpendicular to our spone?
October 9, 2015
Paul WilsonRick,
the only way you could turn on a horizontal plane would be if you were standing straight up and down. Although I want you taller I do not want you standing up.
Watch:
A New Way To Get The Taller Setup: https://ignitiongolf.com/new-way-taller-setup/
Sit On The Edge Of A Bar Stool To Set Up: https://ignitiongolf.com/setup-edge-of-bar-stool/
Taller Setup: https://ignitiongolf.com/bartender-setup/
Stand Tall with Short Clubs: https://ignitiongolf.com/stand-tall-short-clubs/
October 9, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul,This is quite a controversial question:NICK PRICE ,LEE TREVINO had fast swings (And fast backswings ).
On the opposite ,SAM SNEAD and ERNIE ELS ,amongst others ,had very slow swings (and backswings ).
John NOVOSEL in TOUR TEMPO (and mathematical démonstrations ) show that the ratio of backswing time to downswing time is around 3/1 .
So if the backswing is too slow ,so is the downswing,and so is the clubhead speed.
As you say ,it’s more a feeling than pure reality:you have to “feel “the backswing is slow ,while it is not that much slow in reality .
With the SSRTT you can measure the time of the total swing :it’s in the region of 1,20 seconds “mas or menos “.
The girls have sometimes exaggerately slow swings ,this being the case of one “wee bit ” KOREAN girl who is otherwise a very good player .
But you are right :don’t “snatch” the club back make it smooth and fluid !
October 9, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
We’ve discussed this numerous times in the past. I want you slowing down the backswing so you take the arms out of your swing. Sure, there are tour players that use their arms. I want you basing the swing on the coiling and uncoiling of your body. In doing so this will give you the appearance of a slower swing.
I guarantee that before Novasel’s book not one of the players you suggest timed their swings for this ratio yet they have it. Anyone who builds a great swing will have it too because the backswing will always be slower than the downswing in a good swing. I like over 1 second on the SSR.
October 9, 2015
Robert A.CliffordPaul, as always, another great tip! You mention that at set up your grip pressure is 2 out of 10. When and where does that change? What’s your grip pressure at the top of the backswing? What’s your grip pressure during the course of the downswing and at impact?
October 9, 2015
Paul WilsonRobert,
That is going to start changing as soon as I start taking it back. It is gradual as I get to the top. Top of the backswing I am 8 out of 10. Didn’t I say that in the opposite grip tip?
Grip Pressure: https://ignitiongolf.com/grip-pressure-swing/
Once I get to 8 out of 10 I am at this level into the through swing but my wrists are always loose.
Secure Grip Loose Wrists: https://ignitiongolf.com/secure-grip-loose-wrists/
Do this drill:
Secure Top of Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/secure-top-backswing/
October 10, 2015
terrybadgerHi Paul,
Getting my arms relaxed, getting a good shoulder turn, and getting my weight transferred to my back foot on my take away seems to be easier for me if i just press a little forward before i start the one piece take away. i address the ball as you have taught with even weight distribution, but before i start, i exhale and rock forward ever so slightly. It is very subtle, not exaggerated, but it kind of helps me get into a rhythmic, slow tempo. Without it i feel like i jerk into the backswing. As long as i don’t let it get out of hand, do you see any problems with it?
thanks,
ter
October 11, 2015
Paul WilsonTerry,
This is fine. It is keeping you in motion. I just don’t like people pressing it and changing their grip or face angle. If it is subtle it is okay. Obviously it is working so keep doing it. You should not be starting from a static position.
October 27, 2015
JeffLubinWhenever I take the club back slowly, I have an out of rhythm feel at the top and it makes me want to go after it (I am told that I “jump” at the ball, probably because my mind equates power with the faster golf swing. Lets say you have to carry it 200 yards to carry a pond. I take it back slow but my mind says,”you ain’t getting over this pond if you don’t get back to this ball quickly with some ummph” (subconscience thought) so I jump at it. I totally get that this is wrong but the question is, how can you reprogram your mind to trust that the slower rhythmic swing will get the job done under pressure?
October 28, 2015
Paul WilsonJeff,
To change the thought you need another thought. You can also use logic. If it logically makes sense why it will work then you can convince yourself to do it. I need you to go back slower to stop the arms from tightening up as you go back. So understand why you are doing it. Also, you can change the thought by taking it back by thinking of coiling your shoulders back. If you coil your arms will move. Your arms are connected to your body so they will move if you coil.
What is Your Backswing Trigger: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-trigger/
Coiling: https://ignitiongolf.com/learn-coil-backswing/
Once you get to the top you shouldn’t even be thinking of hitting the ball. You should be thinking of moving to my follow through position “touch the legs” and “touch the head.” I really think you need some practice working on these things. When you do practice hit easy shots. In no time you will see that you will hit it almost as far or just as far with half the speed. If so, why would you want to swing hard. The payoff is not there. Keep swinging easy. Get used to it. Then power the swing by driving your legs harder. Although I don’t look like I’m swinging hard I am putting a ton of power in my legs. This is what you need to get too. I am totally fine with the person swinging hard with their legs not their arms. So change the thought start feeling different things. If you do not feel anything different you are doing your old swing.