Paul, can you explain the correct position(s) for the right arm up to the top of the backswing and coming down thru impact? Do you have any videos or drills? I feel at times my elbow is too flared out.
GREETINGS COACH You were right I was turning past 45 degrees on the back swing.I glued two alignment sticks together at 90 degrees and sure enough on my backswing I was probably going maybe 50 degrees causing the gap in my knees.Iv’e got some retooling to do.After almost three years with you I hate to admit that it took me this long to feel my weight load on the instep of my right foot, better late than never right. This old dog is still learning.THANKS COACH
What is your view on what Chamblee has been saying a lot on the Golf magazine?
That his best swing was ruined by trying to fix his lower body and coiling the body.
That it is medically proven that it is not possible to generate torque by coiling the body.
That he has gone back to his old swing (based on the old masters) of moving the legs in the backswing and that it has been much easier on the body and also more consistent.
I do have some sympathy with this view because I finding the feeling of coiling difficult to maintain and find easier to drive the leg/hip if I intentionally fully coil the hips as the main driver for the backswing.
I guess you didn’t read my reply to the other gentleman about this. Here it is:
Randy,
We know more about the golf swing now as opposed to 30-50 years ago. You are coiling to get torque. You are not over coiling or hurting yourself. Once you have torque you will uncoil consistently. You do not and will never hit 300-500 balls per day. How, with no torque and trying to hit the golf ball with your arms are you ever going to repeat your golf swing. When you lift the heel your lower body turns too much. This gives you power in the arms to hit the ball with your arms.
I did this swing when I was a kid. I hit the ball everywhere. I hit 1000 balls per day everyday for over 2 years and never got it.
I just watched Chamblee’s golf swing. He has not clue what is problem is/was. He changes his grip as soon as he takes the club back. This actives the arms and shuts the face at the top. He then has to slide to square the face which is very inconsistent. He also hangs back way too much on this back foot. He decline was not about maintaining a stable lower body.
I have always said, never get a lesson from tour pros or rocket scientists. They have no clue.
Why the follow through is the most important position is because if I can get people to only do that they hit the ball better than they ever have in their life. This is tried and tested over 25 years. Not one word about the backswing. How does that happen?
OTHER COMMENTS
No torque huh? So how can one turn their shoulders more than the hips. If there was no torque no muscles would stretch and your hips would turn the same amount as the shoulders.
I keep telling people who are guessing and struggling to do a swing analysis with us. For all of $20 we can clear up any confusion.
This is because you are thinking of hitting the ball and not the positions. So tee up your ball. Do 3-5 practice swings per ball. Understand that you are making changes. So make the changes. Forget the ball. It is about the movement not the ball. Once you get the pieces you will be hitting it great. So do lots of practice swings at the range and at home.
Paul,
I’m working on the positions. I notice that my club points to the right of the target line at the top of my backswing instead of straight down the line. Is this a problem? If so do you have any tips for a correction? Thanks, keep up the good work, I’m learning a lot.
All the best,
Tom
This is called crossing the line. It can be a problem. From that position you have 2 ways to come down. 1. Too much from the inside. 2 Over the top. Typically people take it back with their back hand (which is stronger) too deep to the inside. Once the clubs nears the top the stronger hand pushes it across the line. If this is the case you need to make the stronger hand powerless.
Another way people cross the line is with a backswing that’s too deep going back. If it is deep at 3/4 back and you continue the shoulder rotation to the top it crosses. Not sure which one you are doing. In the tips below I explain it and what you have to do to fix it (it’s tricky). If you are not crossing the line that much you can get away with it.
The front view would be correct, it is probably just camera angle that could change the view point. You generally want the golf club slightly above your head, I usually say just above the ears, in around this area. Some people are lower some people are slightly higher.
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12 Responses to “Checkpoints – Top – Overview”
February 21, 2016
DavidSchlossPaul, can you explain the correct position(s) for the right arm up to the top of the backswing and coming down thru impact? Do you have any videos or drills? I feel at times my elbow is too flared out.
February 22, 2016
Paul WilsonDavid,
Here are a few tips that should help:
Too Flat: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-are-you-too-flat/
Elbow Position Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/elbow-position-backswing/
Right Elbow: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-right-elbow/
Gap In Elbows: https://ignitiongolf.com/maintain-gap-elbows-wider-arc/
February 21, 2016
johnhoyleGREETINGS COACH You were right I was turning past 45 degrees on the back swing.I glued two alignment sticks together at 90 degrees and sure enough on my backswing I was probably going maybe 50 degrees causing the gap in my knees.Iv’e got some retooling to do.After almost three years with you I hate to admit that it took me this long to feel my weight load on the instep of my right foot, better late than never right. This old dog is still learning.THANKS COACH
February 22, 2016
Paul WilsonJohn,
Glad you found it. This should tighten up the backswing.
Glad you are sticking with it. Some people get it faster than others. Funny how that works.
February 22, 2016
PaulKwonHi Coach
What is your view on what Chamblee has been saying a lot on the Golf magazine?
That his best swing was ruined by trying to fix his lower body and coiling the body.
That it is medically proven that it is not possible to generate torque by coiling the body.
That he has gone back to his old swing (based on the old masters) of moving the legs in the backswing and that it has been much easier on the body and also more consistent.
I do have some sympathy with this view because I finding the feeling of coiling difficult to maintain and find easier to drive the leg/hip if I intentionally fully coil the hips as the main driver for the backswing.
February 22, 2016
Paul WilsonPaul,
I guess you didn’t read my reply to the other gentleman about this. Here it is:
Randy,
We know more about the golf swing now as opposed to 30-50 years ago. You are coiling to get torque. You are not over coiling or hurting yourself. Once you have torque you will uncoil consistently. You do not and will never hit 300-500 balls per day. How, with no torque and trying to hit the golf ball with your arms are you ever going to repeat your golf swing. When you lift the heel your lower body turns too much. This gives you power in the arms to hit the ball with your arms.
I did this swing when I was a kid. I hit the ball everywhere. I hit 1000 balls per day everyday for over 2 years and never got it.
I just watched Chamblee’s golf swing. He has not clue what is problem is/was. He changes his grip as soon as he takes the club back. This actives the arms and shuts the face at the top. He then has to slide to square the face which is very inconsistent. He also hangs back way too much on this back foot. He decline was not about maintaining a stable lower body.
I have always said, never get a lesson from tour pros or rocket scientists. They have no clue.
Why the follow through is the most important position is because if I can get people to only do that they hit the ball better than they ever have in their life. This is tried and tested over 25 years. Not one word about the backswing. How does that happen?
OTHER COMMENTS
No torque huh? So how can one turn their shoulders more than the hips. If there was no torque no muscles would stretch and your hips would turn the same amount as the shoulders.
I keep telling people who are guessing and struggling to do a swing analysis with us. For all of $20 we can clear up any confusion.
February 26, 2016
AruldossNesarajanI am not able to do the follow through,the minit I hit the ground,the club looses the momentum,ball goes straight and turns right.
February 26, 2016
Paul WilsonAruldoss,
This is because you are thinking of hitting the ball and not the positions. So tee up your ball. Do 3-5 practice swings per ball. Understand that you are making changes. So make the changes. Forget the ball. It is about the movement not the ball. Once you get the pieces you will be hitting it great. So do lots of practice swings at the range and at home.
Hitting it fat:
Fat: https://ignitiongolf.com/fat-shots-cure/
If the face is open you are hitting too hard which is locking your wrists.
Please Learn How to Hook It: https://ignitiongolf.com/please-learn-hook/
How to Release the Golf Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release
DRILL: 3 Ways To Roll It Over: https://ignitiongolf.com/3-ways-to-roll/
Still Slicing Even After Rolling?: https://ignitiongolf.com/slicing-after-rolling/
Everyone Needs To Hook It: https://ignitiongolf.com/everyone-needs-to-hook-it/
March 7, 2016
ThomasCrankPaul,
I’m working on the positions. I notice that my club points to the right of the target line at the top of my backswing instead of straight down the line. Is this a problem? If so do you have any tips for a correction? Thanks, keep up the good work, I’m learning a lot.
All the best,
Tom
March 8, 2016
Paul WilsonTom,
This is called crossing the line. It can be a problem. From that position you have 2 ways to come down. 1. Too much from the inside. 2 Over the top. Typically people take it back with their back hand (which is stronger) too deep to the inside. Once the clubs nears the top the stronger hand pushes it across the line. If this is the case you need to make the stronger hand powerless.
Another way people cross the line is with a backswing that’s too deep going back. If it is deep at 3/4 back and you continue the shoulder rotation to the top it crosses. Not sure which one you are doing. In the tips below I explain it and what you have to do to fix it (it’s tricky). If you are not crossing the line that much you can get away with it.
Here are 2 tips I did on it:
Crossing the Line: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-crossing-the-line/
How To Stop Crossing the Line: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-crossing-the-line/
I would also work on the takeaway and halfway back position:
One Piece Takeaway: https://ignitiongolf.com/master-one-piece-takeaway
Halfway Back: https://ignitiongolf.com/halfway-back/
DRILL: Takeaway and Up: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-takeaway-and-up/
March 3, 2022
CharlesMintzerIn the front view the club is above Paul’s head but in the side view it is partially blocked by his head Which is correct ?
Thank you
Charles
April 28, 2022
Paul WilsonThe front view would be correct, it is probably just camera angle that could change the view point. You generally want the golf club slightly above your head, I usually say just above the ears, in around this area. Some people are lower some people are slightly higher.