Hi Paul,
This is something I’ve been curious about since I adopted your method. I just found this video. Thanks much.
I guess this position applies from wedges to driver. Right?
I got to acquire a good command on all clubs except driver. Huge improvement in distance and still getting more. 8 iron for 155 yard. Previously, I would hit 7 or 6 iron for that distance. Accuracy is also coming. Especially, 3 wood is my bread and butter shot with easy 210-220 carry (Max 230). Straight or slight draw. I don’t have a confidence in my driver on the course yet, so I just hit my driver for a couple of holes. I keep working on it on the range, though.
More reports to come for my improvement. Thanks again.
Yes, it applies to all clubs because you only have one swing.
Driver can be tricky because people want to hit. Just work on hooking it for a while. This means you are manually rolling your wrists. After you can do this consistently you are taking one side of the course out of the equation plus you are mastering one of the 3 elements of the swing. This club is longer so it takes longer to square so you have to manually do it.
Imagine never slicing it? Wouldn’t that be great? At the point when you rarely every put slice spin on it you start working on your body rotation letting the arms go along for the ride. Then you will be powering it with your legs and not blow it right. Yes, you will over hook it sometimes if the body rotation is late starting the downswing but the good in that shot is the wrists are still working.
I get the feeling you are still hitting it all over. If so, you are not consistently releasing it. So work on this for now. On the course do the roll over 3-5 time before every shot in practice swings. Then when you hit your shot think of your body because if you don’t you will hook everything that day.
Hit the hooks on the range. At home roll it every night and master this release with Driver. It really shouldn’t take that long.
I like this attitude. I use to hit 3 iron off the tee when I first started because Driver was so bad. You can do it. Oh yeah not hitting with arms was a huge breakthrough.
Just a quick update on my improvement for driver. I worked on roll-over as you advised whenever I found time during the past week.
Yesterday, I played a round and I hit five tee shots with my driver. Two hooks and three awesome draws. The draw shots’ carry distance was about 250-270 yards. It felt easy and smooth.This is an amazing carry for me because I used to hit 220-240. I am getting more and more confidence on my driver.
But, Paul, your method ruined (???) my iron games because I hit too long. Now I am hitting 150 yard with my 9 iron. 150 used to be my 7 iron’s carry. I am 45 years old with an average body. Not tall at all (5’7”). I am still adjusting.. 🙂 Thanks for that!! I appreciate your tips and advice.
Don’t go crazy driving them too hard. Just feel them powering the swing and let the arms go along for the ride. If you blow it right slow down. If you hook it you need more legs. If the leg drive starts the downswing you will hit it straight.
You will get used to your new yardages. This is a great problem to have.
I’m working hard on my back right elbow at the top of my swing. Now I would to find your explanation for the bent left arm at the top of the swing. I know you have a lesson, I just can’t find it.
Just found this tip via a reference from one of your other tips. I love the way you explain the integration of your method (e.g., reason for a neutral grip and the right hand grip being weakly in the fingers).
Great stuff. I continue to improve and get more consistent following your swing teachings. My biggest problem is slowing down. When I do, it all really falls into place and is so easy and effortless.
Thanks, Paul! I was definitely jamming my right elbow into my side, before. I like “loosely tucked”. Should a good key for me be trying to keep my arms and elbows in front of my chest throughout the swing? Also, should my upper left arm stay tight against my chest throughout the swing? I’ve always been a armsy, wristy player for 50 years, so this is difficult to change, my friend.
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13 Responses to “Back Elbow Position To the Top of the Backswing”
June 9, 2014
KwangsooHanHi Paul,
This is something I’ve been curious about since I adopted your method. I just found this video. Thanks much.
I guess this position applies from wedges to driver. Right?
I got to acquire a good command on all clubs except driver. Huge improvement in distance and still getting more. 8 iron for 155 yard. Previously, I would hit 7 or 6 iron for that distance. Accuracy is also coming. Especially, 3 wood is my bread and butter shot with easy 210-220 carry (Max 230). Straight or slight draw. I don’t have a confidence in my driver on the course yet, so I just hit my driver for a couple of holes. I keep working on it on the range, though.
More reports to come for my improvement. Thanks again.
June 9, 2014
Paul WilsonKwangsoo,
Yes, it applies to all clubs because you only have one swing.
Driver can be tricky because people want to hit. Just work on hooking it for a while. This means you are manually rolling your wrists. After you can do this consistently you are taking one side of the course out of the equation plus you are mastering one of the 3 elements of the swing. This club is longer so it takes longer to square so you have to manually do it.
Watch:
Please Learn How to Hook It: https://ignitiongolf.com/please-learn-hook/
How to Release the Golf Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release
DRILL: 3 Ways To Roll It Over: https://ignitiongolf.com/3-ways-to-roll/
DRILL: Smooth Wrist Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/smooth-wrist-release/
Imagine never slicing it? Wouldn’t that be great? At the point when you rarely every put slice spin on it you start working on your body rotation letting the arms go along for the ride. Then you will be powering it with your legs and not blow it right. Yes, you will over hook it sometimes if the body rotation is late starting the downswing but the good in that shot is the wrists are still working.
I get the feeling you are still hitting it all over. If so, you are not consistently releasing it. So work on this for now. On the course do the roll over 3-5 time before every shot in practice swings. Then when you hit your shot think of your body because if you don’t you will hook everything that day.
Hit the hooks on the range. At home roll it every night and master this release with Driver. It really shouldn’t take that long.
June 10, 2014
KwangsooHanThanks Paul for the detailed response.
I won’t give up on my driver. I will keep working on things you advised for me. Thanks again!!
June 10, 2014
Paul WilsonKwangsoo,
I like this attitude. I use to hit 3 iron off the tee when I first started because Driver was so bad. You can do it. Oh yeah not hitting with arms was a huge breakthrough.
June 16, 2014
KwangsooHanHi Paul,
Just a quick update on my improvement for driver. I worked on roll-over as you advised whenever I found time during the past week.
Yesterday, I played a round and I hit five tee shots with my driver. Two hooks and three awesome draws. The draw shots’ carry distance was about 250-270 yards. It felt easy and smooth.This is an amazing carry for me because I used to hit 220-240. I am getting more and more confidence on my driver.
But, Paul, your method ruined (???) my iron games because I hit too long. Now I am hitting 150 yard with my 9 iron. 150 used to be my 7 iron’s carry. I am 45 years old with an average body. Not tall at all (5’7”). I am still adjusting.. 🙂 Thanks for that!! I appreciate your tips and advice.
June 16, 2014
KwangsooHanAs a side note. I am accomplishing these improvements without any equipment changes. Just by adopting your method.
June 16, 2014
Paul WilsonKwangsoo,
I like it. To many people look to buying their game instead of building a great swing. I can hit anything.
June 16, 2014
Paul WilsonKwangsoo,
You’re welcome.
Sounds like you are almost there. The wrists are working nicely. You need to feel the legs and hips powering the swing.
Do this drill before you hit your driver next time:
DRILL: Swing Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-off-ground/
Don’t go crazy driving them too hard. Just feel them powering the swing and let the arms go along for the ride. If you blow it right slow down. If you hook it you need more legs. If the leg drive starts the downswing you will hit it straight.
You will get used to your new yardages. This is a great problem to have.
July 16, 2015
GaryDeinesI’m working hard on my back right elbow at the top of my swing. Now I would to find your explanation for the bent left arm at the top of the swing. I know you have a lesson, I just can’t find it.
Thanks Paul
Gary Deines
July 16, 2015
Paul WilsonGary,
Here are 2 of them:
Extended But Not Locked: https://ignitiongolf.com/extended-but-not-locked/
Left Arm at Top: https://ignitiongolf.com/left-arm-backswing
July 21, 2019
MichaelBarrettPaul,
Just found this tip via a reference from one of your other tips. I love the way you explain the integration of your method (e.g., reason for a neutral grip and the right hand grip being weakly in the fingers).
Great stuff. I continue to improve and get more consistent following your swing teachings. My biggest problem is slowing down. When I do, it all really falls into place and is so easy and effortless.
Thanks!
Mike
August 7, 2019
Paul WilsonMike,
Thanks. I want people to know why. If you don’t know why then you don’t know why it’s important or how it fits into the big picture.
Just say a 2 syllable word going back and 1 syllable coming down. This will slow you down.
September 11, 2020
GregHillThanks, Paul! I was definitely jamming my right elbow into my side, before. I like “loosely tucked”. Should a good key for me be trying to keep my arms and elbows in front of my chest throughout the swing? Also, should my upper left arm stay tight against my chest throughout the swing? I’ve always been a armsy, wristy player for 50 years, so this is difficult to change, my friend.