Paul, another great tip to work with in the fridgid non-golfing winter. I am setting up my indoor workstation and all these tips are helpful as I go through your book and video. Would you reccommend using the short momentus club on these drills or is it heavier than what we want to use. Also, how would uuse reccommend using that club in your drill practice since it would be used without hitting balls?
Use the short Momentus if you do not have room to swing or if you like swinging it. If you can swing a full sized club then do so.
I promote the short Momentus because it is a great training aid so use it for drills etc. It is all about making the movement. The advantage of swinging a short club is that it definitely takes the ball out of the picture. No ball means you actually makes swing changes.
Paul, I have some confusion regarding “length of backswing”. I generally indoor practice with my 7 iron and when I get the coiled tension my backswing is in about the same position as you show. However, I’m pretty sure that is where all my clubs are when I’m coiled. I never thought about changing the top of the full backswing with different clubs. Once at the tight coil do the arms reach up or out further for the driver, 3 wood, etc.? At fully coiled what is the way to get different backswing lengths?
Longer clubs set in motion should create more momentum as they swing back thus coiling you back a little farther and lengthening the backswing without thinking about it. Just keep getting the tight feeling and you should be okay. If you see a short iron going way too long than you might want to shorten it up.
Paul,
I notice in the early part of the video tip when you are mirroring the length of the backswing that your upper arms are separated from your upper body (rib cage). In fact you have separation with both arms and had you a towel under both arms both would have dropped to the ground. I thought the upper arms were virtually attached to the upper body throughout the swing, Comments please.
Although the arms go up there is still pressure between the lead arm and the pec muscle. Separation would be losing this pressure. The arm need to ride up to set the top of the backswing position. If you kept it too jammed against your chest you swing would be super flat and you could not get the club high enough.
Hi Paul,
This is a good tip.
Do you intend to follow on with a further one from the front view finishing off the stroke – showing the arms through the hitting zone?
My problem is that I tend to turn over the hands at the point of contact with the ball resulting in severe hooks. However if I leave it a bit later I find it difficult to turn the hans over and generally end up holding off the club face.
Regards,
John
I think I am done with my indoor practice tips for now. I want people working on their grip, setup, top of the backswing and follow through. If you master these 3 areas of the swing you will become a great golfer.
If you are hooking the ball without trying to hook it you have a grip problem. You need to immediately be working on your grip. I say this because from a neutral grip I would have trouble hooking the ball more than 5-10 yards with irons and 15-20 with Driver. Watch this tip:
Hi Paul:
These are great things to practice. While I’m fortunate to play all year round in Tucson, I still do “your favorite” drill 2 or 3 times daily and I do have a mirror that I check my positions in. These routines you have here definitely help me see where my indoor practice should be going. I seem to wonder often where that backswing is supposed to stop and never thought about a driver being maxed at parallel and the other clubs being shorter? This is definitely going to help me. I typically used the butt of the club pointing at some point in the ground roughly 5 or so yards to my right as the stopping place for all my clubs, basically the point where I am hinged.
I hit 8 of 12 fairways with my driver last round all between 230-260. Longer irons still not feeling “crisp” on the course. My inner coaching on the swing includes “one piece takeaway, post up right leg, touch knees, post up left leg, head behind impact”. I have accepted that the lower body adds distance and consistency, just don’t quite know why, LOL. Thanks and Merry Christmas. This is a great journey.
I like what you are saying and you are getting some great results.
The lower body provides consistency and distance because you are using physics to hit the ball not brute strength. You need to see the swing differently. It is not you hitting a ball. Your body is an axis. Your arms are an extension from this axis. The club is mass.
Pick up a weight on string and twirl it. This is your golf swing. This is mass swinging around and axis.
Your hand twirling the string is your body. Twirl it faster (drive your legs harder) and the mass (club) swinging faster. The string is always pulled taught (your arms) which maximizes the arc. There is only 1 widest arc. If your arms are fully extended you are using your widest arc producing both consistency and distance.
Also, when you twirl it, it would twirl at 90 degrees to you hand 100% of the time. This means from the top if you were to do nothing with your arms and turned your body, the mass (club) would flatten towards 90 degrees to the axis (body) 100% of the the time too thus allowing you to attack slightly from the inside instead of over the top.
So see the swing differently. Using your legs and hips turns your axis. Keep the arms powerless and you are well on your way to playing great golf.
Hi Paul
Thanks for your instruction I have learned so much about the mechanics and the need to practice. Swinging in doors is a vital element that I didn’t realise I always thought the only place to practice was the range.
Anyway I have followed your system and it works wonders one thing though I have struggled with the release in terms of getting my right hand over my left at speed. I recently spoke to a friend and he suggested arching my left hand as the downswing starts this I found weakened the resistance and allowed the right hand to roll over without fighting the left. As I am trying to follow you and your method of powerless arms I wondered if you agree ?
Keep up the great job you are doing
Best regards
Ian
U.K. Follower
Paul ,Do you âgree with MARK BROADIE when hé says you should rehearse a move 10000 Times to ingrain it .
If you swing 100 Times a DAY ,then it takes 100 days to acquire a swing change !
Once you have found out the proper way to do a move ,visualizing it in your mind’s eye (More or less “hypnotising ” yourself )helps the “repeat “action .
So you should reduce with your inconscious mind the number of repetitions to ingrain a move change .
When I play in the course ,I take some time to visualize the exact shot I want to play ,as many top golfers (JASON DAY ,JACK NICKLAUS )say you should do.
Very often ,the shot comes off exactly as I have pictured it! Really incredible !
Not everyone can visualize. I had a hard time with this many years ago. I see the shot a lot better today. I think even this take practice and doing it on every shot until you see it clearly.
Paul,it also took me Some Time to discover THE Power OF visualisation .
Doing it on every shot ,up into THE hole ,enables to enrich it graduatly .
It doesn’t come in one single shot .Loking at THE players on THE Tour évents persuaded me to imitate them.
In his book ,WILD BILL MELHORN ( THE SECRETS OF GOLF EXPOSED ) develops at length how to do it .
I think being confident in your game helps. If you are out there without confidence or too many swing thoughts you won’t get it. So I think clarity is a factor.
My practice facility (home) has neither a full wall mirror or sufficient patio area to see my reflection. I’d like your thoughts on using a simple 4’x 1′ mirror for feedback. Can it be used effectively? Any comments that you can pass along from your experience or those of your students would be appreciated.
Paul ,Did you already elaborate on the position the left hand should have at impact ?
Should it be intentionally “pronated” (Turned outwards or forwards ),the back of the left hand square to the target line ,to better compress the ball and deloft the clubhead ?
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21 Responses to “Indoor Practice – Arms – Front View”
January 8, 2014
HarveyKirkPaul, another great tip to work with in the fridgid non-golfing winter. I am setting up my indoor workstation and all these tips are helpful as I go through your book and video. Would you reccommend using the short momentus club on these drills or is it heavier than what we want to use. Also, how would uuse reccommend using that club in your drill practice since it would be used without hitting balls?
January 9, 2014
Paul WilsonHarvey,
Use the short Momentus if you do not have room to swing or if you like swinging it. If you can swing a full sized club then do so.
I promote the short Momentus because it is a great training aid so use it for drills etc. It is all about making the movement. The advantage of swinging a short club is that it definitely takes the ball out of the picture. No ball means you actually makes swing changes.
January 8, 2014
JerryKleffmanPaul, I have some confusion regarding “length of backswing”. I generally indoor practice with my 7 iron and when I get the coiled tension my backswing is in about the same position as you show. However, I’m pretty sure that is where all my clubs are when I’m coiled. I never thought about changing the top of the full backswing with different clubs. Once at the tight coil do the arms reach up or out further for the driver, 3 wood, etc.? At fully coiled what is the way to get different backswing lengths?
January 9, 2014
Paul WilsonJerry,
Longer clubs set in motion should create more momentum as they swing back thus coiling you back a little farther and lengthening the backswing without thinking about it. Just keep getting the tight feeling and you should be okay. If you see a short iron going way too long than you might want to shorten it up.
January 11, 2014
DerekReveleyPaul,
I notice in the early part of the video tip when you are mirroring the length of the backswing that your upper arms are separated from your upper body (rib cage). In fact you have separation with both arms and had you a towel under both arms both would have dropped to the ground. I thought the upper arms were virtually attached to the upper body throughout the swing, Comments please.
Derek
January 12, 2014
Paul WilsonDerek,
Although the arms go up there is still pressure between the lead arm and the pec muscle. Separation would be losing this pressure. The arm need to ride up to set the top of the backswing position. If you kept it too jammed against your chest you swing would be super flat and you could not get the club high enough.
Connection: https://ignitiongolf.com/connection-backswing
Connection: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-head-cover-armpit
January 11, 2014
JohnMcDonaldHi Paul,
This is a good tip.
Do you intend to follow on with a further one from the front view finishing off the stroke – showing the arms through the hitting zone?
My problem is that I tend to turn over the hands at the point of contact with the ball resulting in severe hooks. However if I leave it a bit later I find it difficult to turn the hans over and generally end up holding off the club face.
Regards,
John
January 12, 2014
Paul WilsonJohn,
I think I am done with my indoor practice tips for now. I want people working on their grip, setup, top of the backswing and follow through. If you master these 3 areas of the swing you will become a great golfer.
If you are hooking the ball without trying to hook it you have a grip problem. You need to immediately be working on your grip. I say this because from a neutral grip I would have trouble hooking the ball more than 5-10 yards with irons and 15-20 with Driver. Watch this tip:
Hooking: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-hooking
December 23, 2016
BruceBergHi Paul:
These are great things to practice. While I’m fortunate to play all year round in Tucson, I still do “your favorite” drill 2 or 3 times daily and I do have a mirror that I check my positions in. These routines you have here definitely help me see where my indoor practice should be going. I seem to wonder often where that backswing is supposed to stop and never thought about a driver being maxed at parallel and the other clubs being shorter? This is definitely going to help me. I typically used the butt of the club pointing at some point in the ground roughly 5 or so yards to my right as the stopping place for all my clubs, basically the point where I am hinged.
I hit 8 of 12 fairways with my driver last round all between 230-260. Longer irons still not feeling “crisp” on the course. My inner coaching on the swing includes “one piece takeaway, post up right leg, touch knees, post up left leg, head behind impact”. I have accepted that the lower body adds distance and consistency, just don’t quite know why, LOL. Thanks and Merry Christmas. This is a great journey.
December 25, 2016
Paul WilsonBruce,
I like what you are saying and you are getting some great results.
The lower body provides consistency and distance because you are using physics to hit the ball not brute strength. You need to see the swing differently. It is not you hitting a ball. Your body is an axis. Your arms are an extension from this axis. The club is mass.
Pick up a weight on string and twirl it. This is your golf swing. This is mass swinging around and axis.
Your hand twirling the string is your body. Twirl it faster (drive your legs harder) and the mass (club) swinging faster. The string is always pulled taught (your arms) which maximizes the arc. There is only 1 widest arc. If your arms are fully extended you are using your widest arc producing both consistency and distance.
Also, when you twirl it, it would twirl at 90 degrees to you hand 100% of the time. This means from the top if you were to do nothing with your arms and turned your body, the mass (club) would flatten towards 90 degrees to the axis (body) 100% of the the time too thus allowing you to attack slightly from the inside instead of over the top.
So see the swing differently. Using your legs and hips turns your axis. Keep the arms powerless and you are well on your way to playing great golf.
December 24, 2016
ianoberheimHi Paul
Thanks for your instruction I have learned so much about the mechanics and the need to practice. Swinging in doors is a vital element that I didn’t realise I always thought the only place to practice was the range.
Anyway I have followed your system and it works wonders one thing though I have struggled with the release in terms of getting my right hand over my left at speed. I recently spoke to a friend and he suggested arching my left hand as the downswing starts this I found weakened the resistance and allowed the right hand to roll over without fighting the left. As I am trying to follow you and your method of powerless arms I wondered if you agree ?
Keep up the great job you are doing
Best regards
Ian
U.K. Follower
December 25, 2016
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,Do you âgree with MARK BROADIE when hé says you should rehearse a move 10000 Times to ingrain it .
If you swing 100 Times a DAY ,then it takes 100 days to acquire a swing change !
December 25, 2016
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I agree and disagree as I have already proven this wrong. Some moves to take time though. You can learn way faster if you do consecutive repetitions:
11 In A Row: https://ignitiongolf.com/change-golf-swing-fast/
December 26, 2016
RaymondCHASTELOnce you have found out the proper way to do a move ,visualizing it in your mind’s eye (More or less “hypnotising ” yourself )helps the “repeat “action .
So you should reduce with your inconscious mind the number of repetitions to ingrain a move change .
When I play in the course ,I take some time to visualize the exact shot I want to play ,as many top golfers (JASON DAY ,JACK NICKLAUS )say you should do.
Very often ,the shot comes off exactly as I have pictured it! Really incredible !
December 26, 2016
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Not everyone can visualize. I had a hard time with this many years ago. I see the shot a lot better today. I think even this take practice and doing it on every shot until you see it clearly.
December 27, 2016
RaymondCHASTELPaul,it also took me Some Time to discover THE Power OF visualisation .
Doing it on every shot ,up into THE hole ,enables to enrich it graduatly .
It doesn’t come in one single shot .Loking at THE players on THE Tour évents persuaded me to imitate them.
In his book ,WILD BILL MELHORN ( THE SECRETS OF GOLF EXPOSED ) develops at length how to do it .
December 27, 2016
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I think being confident in your game helps. If you are out there without confidence or too many swing thoughts you won’t get it. So I think clarity is a factor.
December 26, 2016
AnthonyScarfoneHello, Paul.
My practice facility (home) has neither a full wall mirror or sufficient patio area to see my reflection. I’d like your thoughts on using a simple 4’x 1′ mirror for feedback. Can it be used effectively? Any comments that you can pass along from your experience or those of your students would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Anthony
December 26, 2016
Paul WilsonAnthony,
Yes, a 4′ x 1′ mirror will work fine. You can even get 2 and put them side by side. These are quite cheap a the hardware store.
Also, the farther you stand away from it the more of your body you will see.
January 1, 2017
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,Did you already elaborate on the position the left hand should have at impact ?
Should it be intentionally “pronated” (Turned outwards or forwards ),the back of the left hand square to the target line ,to better compress the ball and deloft the clubhead ?
January 1, 2017
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Here are the tips I have that address this:
Why The Shaft Is Leaning At Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/shaft-leaning-impact/
How To Work On Forward Shaft Lean And The Full Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/shaft-lean-full-release/
Back Wrist at Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-back-wrist/
Knuckles Down At Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/knuckles-down-impact/