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Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine.
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March 26, 2013
Paul Whats the most common cause of shut clubface at top of backswing other than strong grip. when i check my 3/4 back position ,clubface in proper position,as i rotate to top of backswing club face opens up and looks wide open in the mirror. Any ideas of how i am getting it so open at top.
You are open at the top because of the grip. When you hold it too much in the fingers it allows the wrist to cup too much at the top. If you hold it across your palm as I suggest you cannot over-cup it. I did a tip on this:
How To Stop Over-Cupping At The Top of the Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-over-cupping-at-top/
Hi Paul In the above comment i mean clubface is closed not open at top Just watched you croossing line video again, i think i am rotating my shoulders too much inside at the 1/2 and 3/4 positions, could this be the cause of the closed club face at top.
Sorry I didn’t see this post. If you are closed at the top you would be bowing the wrist or the grip is too strong. To get a strong grip you may be placing your hands on the club wrong or re-gripping as soon as you start the club back. Re-gripping can be tricky as most people don’t even know they are doing it.
Watch this tip and do the tee drill. With the tee inserted take it to the top and see if this fixes it. If so, your grip was too strong:
Secure Top of Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/secure-top-backswing
March 29, 2013
I was videoing my swing at my club, and a friend asked what I was working on. It was chicken wing. We were discussing forward lean at impact and releasing the club after impact. It is very hard to “hold off” my hands to create lean with powerless arms. I can’t find a post where you addressed this. Do powerless arms do this without having to think about it? What are your thoughts on this swing thought? Thanks!
The club will have forward shaft lean at impact because your body is more tilted than it was at address. If you tilt more at impact than at address the club will still be descending at impact thus giving you forward shaft lean.
Why The Shaft Is Leaning At Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/shaft-leaning-impact
The Wrist Release From Different Angles: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-release-angles/
How to Release the Golf Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release
September 1, 2014
My problem is with my right arm. At impact my left arm is straight but at the release point my right arm never gets straight. Do you consider that chicken wing? How do i fix this?
A chicken wing is typically with the left arm but the right arm is important too. I would think you are holding the clubface too square for too long through impact. You need to be working on stretching both arms out just past impact. Just keep doing this in practice swings.
Do these drills:
Wide Arc: https://ignitiongolf.com/wide-arc/
DRILL: Another Way To Widen The Arc: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-widen-arc/
Watch this tip too:
Three Quarters Through – Lead Arm Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-lead-arm-bending/
October 19, 2014
Paul let me preface this by saying I’ve been working on the lower body move and arm extension(chicken wing)since may 14 along with video lessons w/Pete.Needless to say I’m having a really hard time.I started to do practice swings with the downswing feeling “Club gravity dropping”along w/the lower body turn.this seems to have helped my balance,kept my arms more extended and helped my finish.I haven’t tried it on the range yet,so I was wondering your opinion on this?
If you have been working on this since May you should have it by now. What problem are you having? What is the ball doing then I can figure out what you are doing.
Keep in mind if you are working on stretching out your arms you will hit shots fat because you will have a wider arc in your current golf swing. Fat shots = too much weight on your back foot at impact.
Also, if you are allowing the club to drop first then turning your body you have a 1/4 second to do 2 things. As soon as you feel you have dropped your arms you have already hit the ball. This would be a good drill but if you are using this to hit your actual shots it may not work.
Are you doing practice swings off the ground?
Are you working on the swing positions I teach? Touch legs, touch head, coil, hinge. If so, are they perfect?
Perfect positions = perfect shots. You cannot touch your legs together better than touching. You cannot get the club more parallel to the ear than parallel. You need to be coiling until you are tightly coiled and you need to be hinging your wrists to their maximum. These 2 are very consistent movements. So there has to be something you are not doing. Check these and let me know where the ball is going.
Paul the ball is going high 10-15yds left with NO Power I’m hitting an 8 iron(when it feels solid)90 yds.Because of my size the touching legs is almost impossible it’s the lower body move that I’m struggling with(Pete has my video’s)When I actually hit it straight there’s still no power.before I started this I was a 12 index I’m afraid to actually play a round even from the RED TEE”S
October 20, 2014
I had Pete send me the video of your swing. It’s not a bad move but there are things you need to work on.
Grip and Set up are good.
There is a sway to the outside of the right foot as you go back. This is not going to put you in position to use the lower body to hit the ball. So you need to be loading onto the instep as you hit the top of the backswing.
You are fanning the club open as you take it back. This is causing the club to be severely open at the top. This is coupled with no body in the downswing it causing you to hit the ball with little power.
So you need to watch this these videos first:
How To Cure A Sway: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-sway/
One Piece Takeaway: https://ignitiongolf.com/master-one-piece-takeaway
Top of Backswing Square: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-square-at-top
From there you need to be rolling it and hitting hooks so we get loft off of you club as you hit the ball. This will give you more power.
DRILL: 3 Ways To Roll It Over: https://ignitiongolf.com/3-ways-to-roll/
Doing this is going to cause you to hook it but we are working on spin first so forget about hitting great shots and don’t play. Once you are consistently hooking it, move on to working on the body rotation in the downswing.
In looking at the video you are close enough to doing the touch the legs positions. The problem is you are doing this move after you you hit the ball. You need to be doing this move with the legs and hip as soon as you start down. This is evident in the minimal hip rotation at impact as well as being flat footed. Again, you are doing the leg drive but doing it too late. Unfortunately, if you drive the legs hard now with the open face you are going to hit a huge slice. This is why you need to fix the backswing and open face first.
As you go back doing more of a one-piece takeaway it will feel like you are hooding the club. This is the correct feeling. At halfway back the leading edge right now is skyward which is open. It needs to be on the same an angle as your spine:
Halfway Back: https://ignitiongolf.com/halfway-back/
Get to halfway then set the top looking for the leading edge to match the left forearm. Again, this will feel different but you need to fix this open face.
So that’s the plan. Work on one thing at a time.
I would start with the takeaway and club at the top and hooking it. The move on to loading onto the instep then finally starting the lower body first in the downswing to straighten out the hook.
Finally, your swing is good. Just doing a few things that are not allowing you to hit the ball solidly. Forget playing. Work on it at home doing practice swings and at the range. Once you get a better backswing and hooking it send Pete more video.
October 21, 2014
1st I want to thank you for your reply.I reviewed all the videos you suggested How To Cure A Sway: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-sway/
One Piece Takeaway: https://ignitiongolf.com/master-one-piece-takeaway
Top of Backswing Square: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-square-at-top, https://ignitiongolf.com/halfway-back/
Didn’t realize I was fanning club open in the take away(I used to take the club back hooded(square)don’t why I got away from that probably started pulling it and thought that was the cause BUT NOW I KNOW ITS THE LOWER BODY!this was BEFORE ignitiongolf)
So for the last day and 1/2 been doing practice swings at home then went to the range today hit a medium bucket(70 balls)doing the rolling over drill for the entire bucket.All shots went left(pulled or hooked)except maybe 4 and those I tried to add a little lower body.My long winded question is How long do I do the roll over drill before I progress to lower body? Also the Square at top I’m having some trouble understanding the top club position,or I’m misinterpeting when I look ay my videos….Thanks again Tim Adams
You need to roll it until you know the feeling and you do not slice it. If every ball hooks you have got the feeling. Then you start switching the feeling to powering the swing with the legs.
So hit a ball trying to feel the legs powering it. Watch the ball. If you still pull hook it this tells me you are still rolling it but you need more legs.
If you hit the first ball and it slices you HAVE NOT rolled it enough. Immediately start hooking it again.
Think about it … If you rolled it for the next month do you think your slice would be gone? Yes. Now you would never have to roll it because you are no longer a slicer. At this point you would only ever have to work on the legs because your arms are releasing.
Add more and more legs until you hit it dead straight. Once you do, this is how much legs you need to power your swing on every shot. Too little legs and you will pull hook it. Too much legs and you will get ahead it and blow it right.
So again, if you feel you know the feeling of releasing it and can do it without thinking about it then move on to thinking about the legs. If it takes you a week to master it, a month who cares? Your goal is to roll it over until you NEVER have to think about it.
Top of the Backswing
When you fan it open the leading edge of your club is pointing straight down at the top of the backswing. If you do not roll it (hooding feeling like you were doing) the leading edge will match your left forearm at the top. I show this in one of the videos I posted. So have a window or mirror off your right hip. Take it to the top and stop. Hold it and look at the leading edge of the club. If it is pointing down you fanned it open. So on the next backswing don’t fan it open (hood it). Hold it at the top and check it again. If you do it right you will see it match the forearm. Just do this every night until you get used to how to take it back and you get rid of the fanning. If you hooded it going back in the past you should be able to fix this in no time.
Paul, I forgot one thing,while I was doing my roll overs at the range I TOPPED afew including around 5 in a row(off a tee)with a 7H,Am I correct that I was probably going too hard at it and my arms were shorting up?
Topping is just going too hard. Keep in mind this is a drill NOT reality. You are not looking for perfect shots. You want it spinning left. I would also be doing this every night at home in practice swings. If so, you will get this in a day or so maybe a week maximum.
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