This doesn’t have anything to do with the golf swing. I was watching the pros play and I was wandering what they were writing in their note pads and if amateurs should be doing it also.
I would think these are notes on where to play certain shots etc. so the next round or future rounds they remember back to where they need to hit it for the best angle in to the green or to avoid certain areas or the best place they should be hitting it on this hole. They may also be writing their grocery list too.
Another excellent lesson Paul ,thank you .
You don’t mention what should be the position of the right arm and right elbow in the backswing .
I looked at a slow Motion video of HUNTER MAHAN:h
This tip was not about the right arm in the backswing. The right arm would be folding so this would not be something that would be giving you a wide arc in the backswing.
From the down the line view I like the angle of this arm on or close to the spine angle. Too straight down I find is too restrictive and an unnatural position. Also, keep in mind that Iron Byron does not have a right arm going back so I don’t spend a lot of time on it. I refer to this arm position as a loosely tucked position where you could drop a grapefruit from this armpit at the top.
This takes constant work. Lag means something is trailing behind something else. In a golf swing your club is trailing the body rotation. I have tons of lag tips. Just search under the red nav bar at the top. SWING TIPS > LAG
Paul ,Do you mean you don’t consciously endeavor to bring your right elbow down to your right side-hip – when starting THE downswing !
I have this swing thought in min d ,then when it happens ,I try to rotate over THE left leg ,without moving forwards ,as fast as I CAN .
I also “pull” THE right elbow in front of my left hip !
Is this wrong ?
I am not even thinking of the right arm. Iron Byron does not have a right arm. If you keep the arms powerless and start the body first this right arm will tuck because the plane would be flattening. I really wouldn’t be thinking about the right arm unless you know for a fact that it is flying. If it is you work on it until it is fixed then you forget it. After all if you are trying to move this arm to your hip you are moving your arms. I want them powerless.
Paul, after reviewing the lead arm rides up video with the lifting of the arms at the top of the back swing I am left with the question what happens next. From the video it appears that the first move during the downswing is to reconnect the rear elbow to your side at the same time the hip is moving to face the ball. After which the wrists start unhinging. Do I have this sequence right?
PS a video on swing tempo tips would be helpful as my mind gets distracted during the swing and ends up with me swinging the club way too fast.
You are doing nothing with the arms at this point. You are focusing on uncoiling. In doing so mass (club) will shallow or flatten towards 90 degrees to the axis (body) using simple physics. This would force the back elbow to the hip. Most people are trying to hit so the move the mass before the axis which will never work. The elbow never tucks in the downswing.
In no way am I thinking about unhinging the club. My wrists are loose so turning the axis compresses the hinge until it cannot be held any longer. This would be about hip height in the downswing. Again, most people are hitting so they release this hinge too early casting the club. If your wrists were a metal hinge there is no way they would unhinge on their own in the early stages of the downswing. Hope this explains it.
As I watched it I saw the lower move first just before it started down. In recent swings I noticed I am now moving 2 directions at once. Never done this before so now it’s more noticeable.
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18 Responses to “What Is A Wide Swing Arc?”
March 1, 2014
ChuckBaumgarnerThis doesn’t have anything to do with the golf swing. I was watching the pros play and I was wandering what they were writing in their note pads and if amateurs should be doing it also.
March 2, 2014
Paul WilsonChuck,
I would think these are notes on where to play certain shots etc. so the next round or future rounds they remember back to where they need to hit it for the best angle in to the green or to avoid certain areas or the best place they should be hitting it on this hole. They may also be writing their grocery list too.
March 1, 2014
RaymondCHASTELAnother excellent lesson Paul ,thank you .
You don’t mention what should be the position of the right arm and right elbow in the backswing .
I looked at a slow Motion video of HUNTER MAHAN:h
March 2, 2014
Paul WilsonRamyond,
This tip was not about the right arm in the backswing. The right arm would be folding so this would not be something that would be giving you a wide arc in the backswing.
From the down the line view I like the angle of this arm on or close to the spine angle. Too straight down I find is too restrictive and an unnatural position. Also, keep in mind that Iron Byron does not have a right arm going back so I don’t spend a lot of time on it. I refer to this arm position as a loosely tucked position where you could drop a grapefruit from this armpit at the top.
I think I talk about the back arm in these tips:
Elbow Position Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/elbow-position-backswing
Halfway Back: https://ignitiongolf.com/halfway-back
Extend Left Arm Backswing at 3/4: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-three-quarters
March 1, 2014
HenryComing down I am not keeping the lag angle with a straight left arm. I’ll work on it this afternoon after the Saturday morning chores!
March 2, 2014
Paul WilsonHenry,
This takes constant work. Lag means something is trailing behind something else. In a golf swing your club is trailing the body rotation. I have tons of lag tips. Just search under the red nav bar at the top. SWING TIPS > LAG
March 2, 2014
DanCharpentierYour swing looks good!!!!!!!! Hope to see you soon in Vegas,,,,
March 4, 2014
Paul WilsonDan,
Thanks. Let me know when you can make it.
March 2, 2014
KennthBovaPaul, I also noticed how on the downswing that your right elbow is tucking into your side; this seems to me to also prevent going over the top.
March 4, 2014
Paul WilsonKenneth,
I have never worked on tucking the right elbow. It is tucking due to not hitting plus starting the lower body first.
Watch:
Right Elbow: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-right-elbow
Flatten Plane 1: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-flatten-plane
Flatten Plane 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-flatten-plane-2
If yours is flying then you many want to work on it. Again, it would be flying because you are hitting.
March 6, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,Do you mean you don’t consciously endeavor to bring your right elbow down to your right side-hip – when starting THE downswing !
I have this swing thought in min d ,then when it happens ,I try to rotate over THE left leg ,without moving forwards ,as fast as I CAN .
I also “pull” THE right elbow in front of my left hip !
Is this wrong ?
March 7, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I am not even thinking of the right arm. Iron Byron does not have a right arm. If you keep the arms powerless and start the body first this right arm will tuck because the plane would be flattening. I really wouldn’t be thinking about the right arm unless you know for a fact that it is flying. If it is you work on it until it is fixed then you forget it. After all if you are trying to move this arm to your hip you are moving your arms. I want them powerless.
Watch:
Right Elbow: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-right-elbow
Flatten Plane 1: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-flatten-plane
Flatten Plane 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-flatten-plane-2
June 20, 2018
ThomasHillPaul, after reviewing the lead arm rides up video with the lifting of the arms at the top of the back swing I am left with the question what happens next. From the video it appears that the first move during the downswing is to reconnect the rear elbow to your side at the same time the hip is moving to face the ball. After which the wrists start unhinging. Do I have this sequence right?
PS a video on swing tempo tips would be helpful as my mind gets distracted during the swing and ends up with me swinging the club way too fast.
Thank you
June 20, 2018
Paul WilsonThomas,
You are doing nothing with the arms at this point. You are focusing on uncoiling. In doing so mass (club) will shallow or flatten towards 90 degrees to the axis (body) using simple physics. This would force the back elbow to the hip. Most people are trying to hit so the move the mass before the axis which will never work. The elbow never tucks in the downswing.
In no way am I thinking about unhinging the club. My wrists are loose so turning the axis compresses the hinge until it cannot be held any longer. This would be about hip height in the downswing. Again, most people are hitting so they release this hinge too early casting the club. If your wrists were a metal hinge there is no way they would unhinge on their own in the early stages of the downswing. Hope this explains it.
I have a tip on tempo here:
How to Get Consistent Swing Tempo: https://ignitiongolf.com/consistent-swing-tempo/
December 24, 2018
JamesSandersPaul, great tip. However, I was looking at the lower body in the slope more and it does not appear to be ahead of upper body.
December 26, 2018
Paul WilsonJames,
Not sure what you meant about the slope. Clarification?
December 26, 2018
JamesSandersPaul,
“slope more” was meant to be “slo mo” (slow motion). My phone auto corrected and I did not notice. Thanks for getting back to me.
December 27, 2018
Paul WilsonJames,
As I watched it I saw the lower move first just before it started down. In recent swings I noticed I am now moving 2 directions at once. Never done this before so now it’s more noticeable.