Paul, this was an “ah ha” for me. Guilty. Played 9 yesterday after a long layoff. Couldn’t understand why I was either slicing or blocking right. Seemed to improve as I loosened up but then I seemed to be pulling left. I’m going to go back tomorrow and work on this specifically. Thanks so much.
The “TURN IN A CYLINDER ” principle was exemplified by great English teacher PERCY BOOMER who taught the art at the SAINT CLOUD golf club in FRANCE until the Germans invaded FRANCE in 1940 (He was in fact from the ISLE OF WIGHT °) His brother was a great golfer with a superb style and several times the OPEN champion .His book is full of useful tips apart from the “BARREL “,still to the point this day (Rythm and tempo for example ).Yet your description of the turn is more accurate .
I remember that some time ago you recommended to turn in TWO cylinders ,not just one ,one cylinder for each leg ,which seems to me a better description as there are two axis to the movement ,not just one .
In any case this is a very useful reminder for most of us .
.Some top players on the tour still have the dreaded reverse “C” position at the end of their swing .
I do see a few top players doing the reverse C too and there are even a few teachers out there teaching it. It’s truly mid boggling because anyone who does this type of swing feel pain due to the compression on the lower back.
Colin Montgomerie has probably the classic example of the reverse “C” at the end of his swing and has done fairly well in his career and continues to do so on the Champions Tour.
I do avidly follow your methods though including your “touch the head follow through” and my ball striking and general game has never been more consistent.
More than one way to skin a cat maybe in the case of “Monty”.
There are exceptions to every rule but he would be one who learned years ago when they taught that. Interesting he never won a major in the US. That type of swing is tough especially under pressure.
Years ago I taught that for about 2 weeks. Every student I taught it to hit severe pushes and push fades. So every since I never tell people to do this.
I was always taught the first move down was the lateral shift with the hips. I struggled with back pain often and hit many a pull hook. When I did the shift I never turned. My hips were square at impact. After following your method the difference is amazing. So glad you share your method. I don’t even think about anyone else’s tips and tricks. Most are worthless. Thanks Paul.
Thank you for your kind words and support. I truly appreciate it.
I think they teach that to get people to stop coming over the top and get the club swinging inside out. Couple that with a strong grip and you get a hook. Get a hook versus a slice you are going to think that teacher is a hero when really just got you to over do a couple of things. Don’t get me wrong this is better than a huge pull slice but the bad shots when you do this wrong can be just a bad as a slice.
Glad you see it and worked on fixing it. Now no more back pain and straight shots. Wow.
I struggle with weight shift and turning without hips sliding some. I think im more focused on weight shift and trying to keep my head still until after contact.
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14 Responses to “Turn In A Cylinder”
January 23, 2019
BrianBissellPaul, this was an “ah ha” for me. Guilty. Played 9 yesterday after a long layoff. Couldn’t understand why I was either slicing or blocking right. Seemed to improve as I loosened up but then I seemed to be pulling left. I’m going to go back tomorrow and work on this specifically. Thanks so much.
January 24, 2019
Paul WilsonBrian,
Very good. You really need to instantly fix your own swing.
Watch The Ball To Fix Your Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-ball-to-fix-your-swing/
How to Cure the Direction: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-direction/
How to Cure the Spin: https://ignitiongolf.com/fix-spin-problems/
How to Cure the Contact: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-contact/
How to Cure Spin and Direction Problems: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-spin-direction-problems/
January 24, 2019
RaymondCHASTELThe “TURN IN A CYLINDER ” principle was exemplified by great English teacher PERCY BOOMER who taught the art at the SAINT CLOUD golf club in FRANCE until the Germans invaded FRANCE in 1940 (He was in fact from the ISLE OF WIGHT °) His brother was a great golfer with a superb style and several times the OPEN champion .His book is full of useful tips apart from the “BARREL “,still to the point this day (Rythm and tempo for example ).Yet your description of the turn is more accurate .
I remember that some time ago you recommended to turn in TWO cylinders ,not just one ,one cylinder for each leg ,which seems to me a better description as there are two axis to the movement ,not just one .
In any case this is a very useful reminder for most of us .
.Some top players on the tour still have the dreaded reverse “C” position at the end of their swing .
January 24, 2019
Paul WilsonRaymond,
The 2 cylinders was to explain the 2 axis in your swing.
2 Axis in Your Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/2-axis/
I do see a few top players doing the reverse C too and there are even a few teachers out there teaching it. It’s truly mid boggling because anyone who does this type of swing feel pain due to the compression on the lower back.
January 24, 2019
daviddonaldsonColin Montgomerie has probably the classic example of the reverse “C” at the end of his swing and has done fairly well in his career and continues to do so on the Champions Tour.
I do avidly follow your methods though including your “touch the head follow through” and my ball striking and general game has never been more consistent.
More than one way to skin a cat maybe in the case of “Monty”.
January 24, 2019
Paul WilsonDavid,
There are exceptions to every rule but he would be one who learned years ago when they taught that. Interesting he never won a major in the US. That type of swing is tough especially under pressure.
January 25, 2019
RaymondCHASTELCOLIN MONTGOMERY was also the top golfer who advocated the “BUMP THE LEFT HIP FORWARD “method .
January 25, 2019
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Years ago I taught that for about 2 weeks. Every student I taught it to hit severe pushes and push fades. So every since I never tell people to do this.
January 26, 2019
GLENNWISSEI was always taught the first move down was the lateral shift with the hips. I struggled with back pain often and hit many a pull hook. When I did the shift I never turned. My hips were square at impact. After following your method the difference is amazing. So glad you share your method. I don’t even think about anyone else’s tips and tricks. Most are worthless. Thanks Paul.
January 27, 2019
Paul WilsonGlenn,
Thank you for your kind words and support. I truly appreciate it.
I think they teach that to get people to stop coming over the top and get the club swinging inside out. Couple that with a strong grip and you get a hook. Get a hook versus a slice you are going to think that teacher is a hero when really just got you to over do a couple of things. Don’t get me wrong this is better than a huge pull slice but the bad shots when you do this wrong can be just a bad as a slice.
Glad you see it and worked on fixing it. Now no more back pain and straight shots. Wow.
January 27, 2019
earlraupachI struggle with weight shift and turning without hips sliding some. I think im more focused on weight shift and trying to keep my head still until after contact.
January 27, 2019
Paul WilsonEarl,
This can be tough if you have been overdoing the shift. Think about the turn and ending up in the touch the legs position here:
Legs Touching: https://ignitiongolf.com/touch-knees
Exactly How To Do Touch The Legs Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-touch-the-legs-position/
As you fire the lower the head should be going back keeping you behind the ball as you hit the ball.
Watch Back of The Golf Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-backside-golf-ball/
Another Way To Stay Behind It: https://ignitiongolf.com/another-way-to-stay-behind-it/
Impact Head Behind Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-head/
Sounds like you’ve had a topping problem if you are trying to keep your head still as you watch the ball. If so, make this a habit:
Topping: Watch for the Blur: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-for-the-blur/
January 27, 2019
earlraupachThanks, I’ll look at these tips. I never take a divot except when I hit the ground before I hit the ball.
January 28, 2019
Paul WilsonEarl,
This is because you are hitting with the arms. Turn them off and you will take divots:
Further Understanding of Divots: https://ignitiongolf.com/divot-further-understanding/
Illustrating Why A Divot Is Taken: https://ignitiongolf.com/illustrating-divot/
How To Take A Divot: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-take-a-divot/
Never Purposely Hit Down On The Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/never-hit-down/
Why You Do Not Take Divots: https://ignitiongolf.com/not-take-divots/
Cause and Effect – Trying To Take A Divot: https://ignitiongolf.com/cause-and-effect-divot/
Divot Pointing: https://ignitiongolf.com/divot-pointing/
Divot Path?: https://ignitiongolf.com/divot-path/