Paul ,
I “trigger “exactly as you say ,pushing off my right instep.
Then recently’ I refined on the trigger by pushing forward as hard as I could with my right hip ,at the same time trying to bring the right elbow as close as possible to my body in the downswing .The result is a clear gain of 10 MPH measured on the SSRTT .
This modification came after I played on the course with a young Italian girl (Good looking!) who was a mere 5 feet 5 tall and quite slim :she was also very flexible ,had a beautifully timed and smooth swing and sent the ball miles away .
She however had a tendency to pull the ball ,due I assume to the strong “push “of her right hip,more a “push” than a “rotation” .You have to combine “push “and “rotation ” to send the ball straight.
That’s a great increase. I keep telling everyone it comes from the legs and hips. She was hitting with arms as well as lower. This was sending her over the top.
Having played a long time trying to ‘hit’ the ball, doing ‘nothing’ with the arms is a difficult concept for me because, when I try to swing easy and do ‘nothing’ with the arms, I usually don’t get full stretch in the right arm at your ‘release point’, even if I go to a correct finish position. Not, I admit, that I was getting full stretch when I was ‘hitting’ with arms either.
A helpful realisation I made recently was that, while the left arm goes from straight in the back swing to bent in the follow-through, the right arm has to go from bent to straight (at least for as long as possible). This has helped me to get a wider arc in the swing, but then I find myself doing ‘more’ with right arm.
Do you have any words of advice to help square relaxed arms with still being fully-straight?
I would be doing it slowly at first but at least doing it. Some people seem to want to do everything at full speed so they never fix anything. If you can do it slow you are at least doing it. Then you go a little faster (with body) get used to that then faster again and so on.
Hi Paul
Do you also still consciously try to think about keeping your head back behind the ball on the downswing or do you just rely on the legs firing hard to tilt your body back?
Best wishes
David
Timely question as I just posted another way to learn how to do this. I am not thinking about. I stay behind it by firing my lower body. If you are not good at it you will need to manually tilt. So you work on the tilt first. Then you work on getting off of the back foot. Watch tonight’s tip to get a feel for what I am saying then watch these ones too:
You would still be tilted on the orginal spine angle you were on at setup to the 3/4 through point. Once past that you would raise slightly to save your back.
Paul, is there a swing thought to help complete the backswing? What I find is that if I think about making a full backswing, with no thought at all about how to proceed after that, the downswing just happens. I do not plan on it, anticipate it. or have any swing though about what initiates it. These seems to work for me. Of course the other thing is to pause at the top.
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9 Responses to “Top Down and Through”
January 18, 2017
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,
I “trigger “exactly as you say ,pushing off my right instep.
Then recently’ I refined on the trigger by pushing forward as hard as I could with my right hip ,at the same time trying to bring the right elbow as close as possible to my body in the downswing .The result is a clear gain of 10 MPH measured on the SSRTT .
This modification came after I played on the course with a young Italian girl (Good looking!) who was a mere 5 feet 5 tall and quite slim :she was also very flexible ,had a beautifully timed and smooth swing and sent the ball miles away .
She however had a tendency to pull the ball ,due I assume to the strong “push “of her right hip,more a “push” than a “rotation” .You have to combine “push “and “rotation ” to send the ball straight.
January 18, 2017
Paul WilsonRaymond,
That’s a great increase. I keep telling everyone it comes from the legs and hips. She was hitting with arms as well as lower. This was sending her over the top.
January 18, 2017
LeighCannonHi Paul,
Having played a long time trying to ‘hit’ the ball, doing ‘nothing’ with the arms is a difficult concept for me because, when I try to swing easy and do ‘nothing’ with the arms, I usually don’t get full stretch in the right arm at your ‘release point’, even if I go to a correct finish position. Not, I admit, that I was getting full stretch when I was ‘hitting’ with arms either.
A helpful realisation I made recently was that, while the left arm goes from straight in the back swing to bent in the follow-through, the right arm has to go from bent to straight (at least for as long as possible). This has helped me to get a wider arc in the swing, but then I find myself doing ‘more’ with right arm.
Do you have any words of advice to help square relaxed arms with still being fully-straight?
Thanks,
Leigh
January 18, 2017
Paul WilsonLeigh,
Keep in mind it is you not hitting or helping the shot with the arms. You still need to be firing the legs and hips for power.
What you need to do is get used to the feeling of this extension. I did a tip on it here:
It is a Letting Go Experience: https://ignitiongolf.com/letting-go-experience/
You can also do these drills:
Wide Arc: https://ignitiongolf.com/wide-arc/
DRILL: Try To Hit Chair: https://ignitiongolf.com/try-to-hit-chair/
DRILL: Another Way To Widen The Arc: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-widen-arc/
Power: How a Wider Swing Arc Affects Power: https://ignitiongolf.com/wider-arc-power/
I would be doing it slowly at first but at least doing it. Some people seem to want to do everything at full speed so they never fix anything. If you can do it slow you are at least doing it. Then you go a little faster (with body) get used to that then faster again and so on.
Hope this helps.
January 19, 2017
DavidWaltersHi Paul
Do you also still consciously try to think about keeping your head back behind the ball on the downswing or do you just rely on the legs firing hard to tilt your body back?
Best wishes
David
January 19, 2017
Paul WilsonDavid,
Timely question as I just posted another way to learn how to do this. I am not thinking about. I stay behind it by firing my lower body. If you are not good at it you will need to manually tilt. So you work on the tilt first. Then you work on getting off of the back foot. Watch tonight’s tip to get a feel for what I am saying then watch these ones too:
Cures – Manually Tilt To Stop Pulling: https://ignitiongolf.com/manually-tilt-cure-pull/
DRILL – Tee Iron High For Inside Path: https://ignitiongolf.com/tee-high-for-inside-path/
Body Tilt: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-body-tilt/
2 Axis in Your Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/2-axis/
Stop Fat Shots When Working On Moving Your Head: https://ignitiongolf.com/fat-shots-moving-your-head/
January 19, 2017
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,When you go in THE thru swing should your spine be slightly bent forward or should you straighten up ?
January 20, 2017
Paul WilsonRaymond,
You would still be tilted on the orginal spine angle you were on at setup to the 3/4 through point. Once past that you would raise slightly to save your back.
I may touch on it in this tip:
Spine Angle Follow Through: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-eyes-tilted/
July 11, 2019
mikeschickPaul, is there a swing thought to help complete the backswing? What I find is that if I think about making a full backswing, with no thought at all about how to proceed after that, the downswing just happens. I do not plan on it, anticipate it. or have any swing though about what initiates it. These seems to work for me. Of course the other thing is to pause at the top.