Pretty cute reminders ,Paul,OF your teaching philosophy ,easy to memorize and to révèrt to when the swiing goes wrong .
I must admit also ,Paul,That I’m a user OF the Weighted clubs ( MOMENTUS POWER HITTER amongst others ) but I also train with light cllubs ( MOMENTUS SWING WHOOSH and MIKE NAPOLEON’s SPEED TRAINING STICKS ).
Most LONG DRIVERS do Also( SEAN FISTER ,MIKE BAUMANN ,ETC..)
M’y swing Speed has benefitted from this training .I’ve managed to up m’y swing Speed slightly over 100 MPH ( 102 MPH to be exact ) ,i was previously swinging in the mid 80’s .Not to Bad for a 81 year old Man.
I train extensively with the POWER FAN ,and the POWER BLADE ,those devicess which use fins to slow down the club ,and oblige you to work YOUR hips .
Do you ‘” hâte ” these Fans also?
Paul ,The ORANGE WHIP TRAINER weighs 778 g , nearly three times the weight of my driver (280 g).I see in most top Pro’s bags .
I find it wonderful to give the feeling of the full golf swing .
Do you proscribe it also ,as being too heavy ?
You saw the video so you know how I feel. Plus the Orange Whip was the Whippy TempoMaster 20 years ago. Did that every fix anyone’s swing? If it did everyone would have one and I would be promoting it.
Paul ,What’s YOUR opinion on the underspeed/ OVERSPEED training : one club is lighter than normal ,one is slightly heavier than normal ,the Third one is THE same Weight as YOUR own club .
I have the MIKE NAPOLEON set OF three sticks with which I practise, 5 swings right to left ,5 swings left to right with each in succession .MIKE NAPOLEON tells yo ttintain also with YOUR knees on a mat : I don’ t do That ,as you said it was useless due to the legs powering the swing .
Any comments ?
For the rhyme right is tight I have a question. At impact, with a closed club face for irons I assume the handle is ahead of the club? So using the visual of a door hinge, the hands if they are ahead of the ball at impact how does the club face close in time. For the driver I assume the handle is behind the ball at impact? I know your roll over drill and find it difficult to rollover the hands early with irons and keep the hands ahead. Hope I was clear…help
You are thinking the club re-hinges right at impact. It does not. It re-hinges after the release point which is approx 2 feet after impact with irons and 3 feet after with woods. This release point moves ahead of the ball due to the tilt of your body in the downswing. More you tilt more forward the release point moves.
Paul, You probably know what the MIKE AUSTIN swing is .It has been popularized by DAN SHAUGER and MIKE DUNAWAY .Most OF the basics are yours ,with two major différences :
– in the backswing ,the right leg gets straight ,allowing for more Turn .
– the shoulders tilt going back ,it’ s a bit like a seesaw movement ,.This gives more POWER .
The leg thrust is the same as yours ,very powerful .
I tried to adapt m’y swing ,the one you taught Me ,to this méthod .
It seems I get marginally more Clubhead Speed ,but m’y opinion is this swing does not feel NATURAL : I prefer turning m’y shoulders on an horizontal plane going back and going forward .
What do you think OF this ” MIKE AUSTIN ” swing ?
I watch the Mike Austin videos a long time ago. Can’t remember it. If you want to follow his technique … do so. If you want to follow mine … do so. If you want to follow both … don’t. Pick one and do it.
I want the back knee flexed to create torque as well as a more level shoulder turn. This is what creates consistency and distance.
Paul ,There’s not such a big difference between the MIKE AUSTIN swing and yours .As I said both swings are based on an efficient coil and a strong torque,combined with a powerful leg thrust .The différences are in the the position of the rear leg (Your’s :flexed -MIKE AUSTIN :straight ),the tilting or not tilting of the shoulders going back ,the rolling (Your technique ) or non Rolling (MIKE AUSTIN ) of the wrists in the through swing .I don’t myself (normally ) roll the wrists in the throughswing ,the right forearm stays under the left forearm ,and nevertheless the flight of the ball is straight.I roll the wrists only when i want to draw the ball .
To conclude your swing is more natural and more consistent-VERY IMPORTANT_ in the course of a game ( You don’t have to think of how you swing with your technique).So I’ll stick with it.
Thanks Paul
Your a great teacher.
Talk to me about bowed or flat rist in the back swing. When I consentrate on doing flat or more I strike the ball better? If I don’t, I seem to have cupped rist and I can’t get back to square ! What is my cure in this situation?
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15 Responses to “Rhymes To Remember – Strong Is Wrong”
July 5, 2015
debrahughesAll good reminders and all make perfect sense – tks for these I know they will help! Debra
July 6, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPretty cute reminders ,Paul,OF your teaching philosophy ,easy to memorize and to révèrt to when the swiing goes wrong .
I must admit also ,Paul,That I’m a user OF the Weighted clubs ( MOMENTUS POWER HITTER amongst others ) but I also train with light cllubs ( MOMENTUS SWING WHOOSH and MIKE NAPOLEON’s SPEED TRAINING STICKS ).
Most LONG DRIVERS do Also( SEAN FISTER ,MIKE BAUMANN ,ETC..)
M’y swing Speed has benefitted from this training .I’ve managed to up m’y swing Speed slightly over 100 MPH ( 102 MPH to be exact ) ,i was previously swinging in the mid 80’s .Not to Bad for a 81 year old Man.
I train extensively with the POWER FAN ,and the POWER BLADE ,those devicess which use fins to slow down the club ,and oblige you to work YOUR hips .
Do you ‘” hâte ” these Fans also?
July 6, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I have already posted this video before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_vR8U_KrhY
If you want to lose clubhead speed go ahead.
I am ok with the fan because this is resistance not weight.
July 7, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,The ORANGE WHIP TRAINER weighs 778 g , nearly three times the weight of my driver (280 g).I see in most top Pro’s bags .
I find it wonderful to give the feeling of the full golf swing .
Do you proscribe it also ,as being too heavy ?
July 8, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
You saw the video so you know how I feel. Plus the Orange Whip was the Whippy TempoMaster 20 years ago. Did that every fix anyone’s swing? If it did everyone would have one and I would be promoting it.
July 8, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,What’s YOUR opinion on the underspeed/ OVERSPEED training : one club is lighter than normal ,one is slightly heavier than normal ,the Third one is THE same Weight as YOUR own club .
I have the MIKE NAPOLEON set OF three sticks with which I practise, 5 swings right to left ,5 swings left to right with each in succession .MIKE NAPOLEON tells yo ttintain also with YOUR knees on a mat : I don’ t do That ,as you said it was useless due to the legs powering the swing .
Any comments ?
July 9, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I don’t like people to swing heavy clubs. I don’t know how many times I have to say this. Doing right and left swings is good.
July 6, 2015
BruceJespersenFor the rhyme right is tight I have a question. At impact, with a closed club face for irons I assume the handle is ahead of the club? So using the visual of a door hinge, the hands if they are ahead of the ball at impact how does the club face close in time. For the driver I assume the handle is behind the ball at impact? I know your roll over drill and find it difficult to rollover the hands early with irons and keep the hands ahead. Hope I was clear…help
July 6, 2015
Paul WilsonBruce,
The face is open to your body sqaure to the path at impact. The face is not actually square to your body until after the ball is hit.
Watch:
How to Release the Golf Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release
Squaring Clubface: https://ignitiongolf.com/square-clubface/
See it from the top view here:
Shoulders At Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-shoulders
You are thinking the club re-hinges right at impact. It does not. It re-hinges after the release point which is approx 2 feet after impact with irons and 3 feet after with woods. This release point moves ahead of the ball due to the tilt of your body in the downswing. More you tilt more forward the release point moves.
July 8, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul, You probably know what the MIKE AUSTIN swing is .It has been popularized by DAN SHAUGER and MIKE DUNAWAY .Most OF the basics are yours ,with two major différences :
– in the backswing ,the right leg gets straight ,allowing for more Turn .
– the shoulders tilt going back ,it’ s a bit like a seesaw movement ,.This gives more POWER .
The leg thrust is the same as yours ,very powerful .
I tried to adapt m’y swing ,the one you taught Me ,to this méthod .
It seems I get marginally more Clubhead Speed ,but m’y opinion is this swing does not feel NATURAL : I prefer turning m’y shoulders on an horizontal plane going back and going forward .
What do you think OF this ” MIKE AUSTIN ” swing ?
July 9, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I watch the Mike Austin videos a long time ago. Can’t remember it. If you want to follow his technique … do so. If you want to follow mine … do so. If you want to follow both … don’t. Pick one and do it.
I want the back knee flexed to create torque as well as a more level shoulder turn. This is what creates consistency and distance.
July 9, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,There’s not such a big difference between the MIKE AUSTIN swing and yours .As I said both swings are based on an efficient coil and a strong torque,combined with a powerful leg thrust .The différences are in the the position of the rear leg (Your’s :flexed -MIKE AUSTIN :straight ),the tilting or not tilting of the shoulders going back ,the rolling (Your technique ) or non Rolling (MIKE AUSTIN ) of the wrists in the through swing .I don’t myself (normally ) roll the wrists in the throughswing ,the right forearm stays under the left forearm ,and nevertheless the flight of the ball is straight.I roll the wrists only when i want to draw the ball .
To conclude your swing is more natural and more consistent-VERY IMPORTANT_ in the course of a game ( You don’t have to think of how you swing with your technique).So I’ll stick with it.
July 9, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Good choice.
July 16, 2015
rneffThanks Paul
Your a great teacher.
Talk to me about bowed or flat rist in the back swing. When I consentrate on doing flat or more I strike the ball better? If I don’t, I seem to have cupped rist and I can’t get back to square ! What is my cure in this situation?
July 16, 2015
Paul WilsonRichard,
Thanks for the compliment. I truly appreciate it.
I did a tip on this very subject here:
Cupped or Flat: https://ignitiongolf.com/top-backswing-cupped-flat