Love these video lessons. I’m sure you helped her tremendously. Don’t know who gave her lessons previously but something went wrong there. Her grip was so bad I don’t see how that was not addressed previously. I guess one can take lessons and still fall back into bad habits. I know all positions are important but to me , grip posture and the first part of the takeaway is more important. I learn a lot from these and would love to see more. Thanks a Paul.
I see poor grips in almost every person I see. It is truly mind boggling but they are not being taught properly. A faulty grip alone will leave you with no chance to hit your best shots. So people are behind the 8 ball from the beginning.
It all starts with grip and setup that is for sure.
It truly is mind-boggling how much bad instruction there is out there. I followed your advice (well-worth repeating) to stop listening to the instruction on GC and in golf magazines.
My golf buddy recently paid thousands of dollars for a three-day, one-on-one lesson in CA. The instructor moved him into a very strong grip (he thinks this instructor is a genius??!!). Now he wants to use Golf Pride alignment grips turned way to the right.
So glad I am hearing the truth about golf physics at Ignition Golf! I listen to no one but Paul Wilson.
It sure is mind boggling. I went through all this many years ago. No one could answer my questions. If you don’t know how it works how can you ever fix it.
Strong grip. Have fund with that. He may do okay for a little while but he will lose it. Let him know I said that. Pretty soon he will hit it left and right then he will be scratching his head why he is so inconsistent.
I’ve been playing since 1962. I always used a neutral grip. Despite being an arms swinger, I was able to play to a strong 8. In the 90’s my son was active in Idaho jr. golf. One day a local pro gave the kids a clinic and said that the newest trend in instruction was the use of a stronger grip. So, I bought in. Like you said, it felt strong and powerful. The result: I have been hitting it all over the place until I discovered the Body Swing and IG in January 2018. Now I’m hitting it dead straight with my return to a neutral grip.
That’s what I love about your teachings. They are based on simple science and fact. The only way you can hit it straight is to hold off the release. Can you imagine throwing a baseball stiff wristed?
I tried flexing (bending backwards ) the wrist more at the top of the backswing ,by mechanically forcing the bent position of the wrist (more looseness in the grip );Also by adopting a more vertical position of the upper right arm (the well known” waiter’s tray “position).It helped a lot my release and therefore I got more power and distance .You are perfectly right in saying that the looseness of the wrist is a vital issue .
Concerning the grip ,what is better :the “V ” of the right hand towards the chin (Weak grip ) or slightly towards the left side of the right shoulder ?
I myself prefer the” V ” towards the chin .
Most golf teachers advocate a strong grip (“V ” towards the right shoulder).They say that most pro’s on the tour have strong grips !
I like the V between the right ear and shoulder. All you have to do it place it on in various positions. Watch in a mirror from down the line. Too weak and the face will be open at the top. Too strong and it will be closed. Ideally you want the leading edge matching the forearm at the top. I should do a tip on this.
Thank you ,Paul for this sound advice .I have another issue regarding the choice of the grip :standard VARDON grip with the right pinkie overlapping the left index ,or INTERLOCKING-Jack NICKLAUS style .The issue was brought up because I just undergone surgery to the left index and the right medium ,to remove bad looking “nasty ” caricinomias ,due to excess sun ,though I wear gloves on both hands .I just took up golf again after 6 weeks interruption As the left index is still sore,and hurts when the right pinkie is in place ,I reverted to the INTERLOCKING grip I had many ,many years ago .I checked the speed of the clubhead with my usual method :two SSRTT in a row ,one at the ball position ,another 6 inches in front (To check deceleration ).Well I had better results with the INTERLOCK than with the VARDON ,2/3 MPH better .I think I hinge better the wrists with the INTERLOCK ,probably the wrists are looser .Also there’s no deceleration with the INTERLOCK ,while there is one with the VARDON .
What do you think of this peculiarity ?
I also put and chip with the Interlocking grip .
I have fairly long fingers ,not at all short ,which was the reason given by JACK NICLKLAUS for playing the INTERLOCK
I tried the interlock and it killed my pinky of the right hand. Most people who do this grip back the right hand off the wedge the pinky in with the index finger so they always do a strong grip when trying this grip. Jack and Tiger did the interlock but the did it right.
Could the increase be due to not putting pressure on the sore finger though with the Vardon? Just remember to get the right hand V on top of you do stick with the interlocking. If you are a consistent 2-3 MPH faster then it might be worth making the switch.
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13 Responses to “Swing Analysis – Student With Hinge and Lag Problems”
February 12, 2019
GLENNWISSELove these video lessons. I’m sure you helped her tremendously. Don’t know who gave her lessons previously but something went wrong there. Her grip was so bad I don’t see how that was not addressed previously. I guess one can take lessons and still fall back into bad habits. I know all positions are important but to me , grip posture and the first part of the takeaway is more important. I learn a lot from these and would love to see more. Thanks a Paul.
February 16, 2019
Paul WilsonGlenn,
I see poor grips in almost every person I see. It is truly mind boggling but they are not being taught properly. A faulty grip alone will leave you with no chance to hit your best shots. So people are behind the 8 ball from the beginning.
It all starts with grip and setup that is for sure.
February 12, 2019
StephenClutterWould love to see some “after” video’s.
February 16, 2019
Paul WilsonStephen,
It wasn’t about before and afters on these ones. I will do some in the future. Stay tuned.
February 13, 2019
RaymondCHASTELInteresting lesson ,though mostly a beginner ‘s swing .A catalog of what not to do moves .!..
February 16, 2019
Paul WilsonRaymond,
She has actually been playing for quite a while and took a lot of lessons. There were serious issues which we addressed.
February 17, 2019
MichaelBarrettPaul,
It truly is mind-boggling how much bad instruction there is out there. I followed your advice (well-worth repeating) to stop listening to the instruction on GC and in golf magazines.
My golf buddy recently paid thousands of dollars for a three-day, one-on-one lesson in CA. The instructor moved him into a very strong grip (he thinks this instructor is a genius??!!). Now he wants to use Golf Pride alignment grips turned way to the right.
So glad I am hearing the truth about golf physics at Ignition Golf! I listen to no one but Paul Wilson.
MIke
February 18, 2019
Paul WilsonMichael,
It sure is mind boggling. I went through all this many years ago. No one could answer my questions. If you don’t know how it works how can you ever fix it.
Strong grip. Have fund with that. He may do okay for a little while but he will lose it. Let him know I said that. Pretty soon he will hit it left and right then he will be scratching his head why he is so inconsistent.
February 20, 2019
MichaelBarrettPaul,
I’ve been playing since 1962. I always used a neutral grip. Despite being an arms swinger, I was able to play to a strong 8. In the 90’s my son was active in Idaho jr. golf. One day a local pro gave the kids a clinic and said that the newest trend in instruction was the use of a stronger grip. So, I bought in. Like you said, it felt strong and powerful. The result: I have been hitting it all over the place until I discovered the Body Swing and IG in January 2018. Now I’m hitting it dead straight with my return to a neutral grip.
That’s what I love about your teachings. They are based on simple science and fact. The only way you can hit it straight is to hold off the release. Can you imagine throwing a baseball stiff wristed?
Man, I praise the day I found you!
Mike
February 19, 2019
RaymondCHASTELI tried flexing (bending backwards ) the wrist more at the top of the backswing ,by mechanically forcing the bent position of the wrist (more looseness in the grip );Also by adopting a more vertical position of the upper right arm (the well known” waiter’s tray “position).It helped a lot my release and therefore I got more power and distance .You are perfectly right in saying that the looseness of the wrist is a vital issue .
Concerning the grip ,what is better :the “V ” of the right hand towards the chin (Weak grip ) or slightly towards the left side of the right shoulder ?
I myself prefer the” V ” towards the chin .
Most golf teachers advocate a strong grip (“V ” towards the right shoulder).They say that most pro’s on the tour have strong grips !
February 20, 2019
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I like the V between the right ear and shoulder. All you have to do it place it on in various positions. Watch in a mirror from down the line. Too weak and the face will be open at the top. Too strong and it will be closed. Ideally you want the leading edge matching the forearm at the top. I should do a tip on this.
February 22, 2019
RaymondCHASTELThank you ,Paul for this sound advice .I have another issue regarding the choice of the grip :standard VARDON grip with the right pinkie overlapping the left index ,or INTERLOCKING-Jack NICKLAUS style .The issue was brought up because I just undergone surgery to the left index and the right medium ,to remove bad looking “nasty ” caricinomias ,due to excess sun ,though I wear gloves on both hands .I just took up golf again after 6 weeks interruption As the left index is still sore,and hurts when the right pinkie is in place ,I reverted to the INTERLOCKING grip I had many ,many years ago .I checked the speed of the clubhead with my usual method :two SSRTT in a row ,one at the ball position ,another 6 inches in front (To check deceleration ).Well I had better results with the INTERLOCK than with the VARDON ,2/3 MPH better .I think I hinge better the wrists with the INTERLOCK ,probably the wrists are looser .Also there’s no deceleration with the INTERLOCK ,while there is one with the VARDON .
What do you think of this peculiarity ?
I also put and chip with the Interlocking grip .
I have fairly long fingers ,not at all short ,which was the reason given by JACK NICLKLAUS for playing the INTERLOCK
February 24, 2019
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I tried the interlock and it killed my pinky of the right hand. Most people who do this grip back the right hand off the wedge the pinky in with the index finger so they always do a strong grip when trying this grip. Jack and Tiger did the interlock but the did it right.
Could the increase be due to not putting pressure on the sore finger though with the Vardon? Just remember to get the right hand V on top of you do stick with the interlocking. If you are a consistent 2-3 MPH faster then it might be worth making the switch.