Still Slicing Even After Rolling?

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Paul Wilson

Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine. YouTube Channels: Paul Wilson Golf and Ignition Golf Tips. Please Join me on Google+

14 Responses to “Still Slicing Even After Rolling?”

  1. February 2, 2014

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Very interesting lesson,Paul ,though it’s not for me because I never slice .
    I utilized your instruction to convert my previous slight fade into a draw,which givres more distance .
    I have a question not related to this video:it’s about THE position OF THE left wrist at THE top OF THE backswing .Like you ,my left wrist is cupped .However I saw TOM WEINSTOCK’s swing on video ,Commented by a pro .TOM’s left wrist is flat at THE top ,not cupped.THE saying was that a flat (And even pronated left wrist ) gives you more power .
    I don’t understand Why !
    Do you ?
    Also your left hand should finish looking straight at THE TARGET !
    Confusing ,n

    • Paul Wilson

      February 2, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      It would give you more power because you would de-loft the club in the downswing. Obviously an impact teacher. Keep it cupped. You don’t want flaw to gain more power. Sure, the odd shot may go farther the majority of the other ones are in the trees. You need power and consistency. You need the mis-hits in the fairway. Also, Iron Byron would never cup the wrist at the top.

  2. Raoul Bintner

    February 2, 2014

    Raoul Bintner

    Hi Paul,
    Personally, I got it by doing the drill starting with a 7 iron. It was probably a mistake doing this drill only with the driver…
    Hope you are well.
    Raoul

    • Paul Wilson

      February 4, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Raoul,

      This is a good idea. Unfortunately people love whacking away at driver. Most don’t realize there is one swing. So, let’s fix the toughest one and the shorter ones are easier.

  3. February 3, 2014

    PaulKwon

    Hmm this is not going to be a good set of questions but here goes.

    You were still driving with your legs in the above video while hooking yet you say driving with the legs will straighten the shot. Do you mean once we forget about rolling over ? Was the aim of the exercise about relaxing the hands to prevent holding on to the club into the impact ? Thus there is no attempt at rolling over with powerless arms ?

    • Paul Wilson

      February 4, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Paul,

      Sure I was driving with my legs. I was thinking about rolling it over. I don’t want you doing nothing with your body. Do your swing but focus on the roll over. In other words I don’t want you flat footed just whacking away at it. Do the swing thinking of the roll over.

      If you are working on positions and drills etc. you are feeling your arms. Once you get it you are never hitting or helping the shot in any way with you arms thus they are powerless. I could tell you to keep them powerless. If they were truly powerless you would not be slicing thus not watching his tip at all. So how can I get someone to do what I want them to do? I am going to tell them to do it manually. This way they get it in minuets, buckets, months not years. So there are times when I want people thinking and using their arms. When you get it turn them off.

  4. February 3, 2014

    WaltZaluski

    I have always used the hip turn to start the downswing, so this is “automatic” where I do not have to think about that but the powerless arms seems to be a problem; many times my arms get left behind and the result is a push or even a push slice sometimes quite severe. What gives me more consistency is only one thought in the downswing – “get the right arm straight, elbow locked at impact”. This engages my right side, my arms do not get left behind, they come through with my right hip and the pushes are very much eliminated. Perhaps everyone’s swing is different and adjustment has to be made?

    • Paul Wilson

      February 4, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Walt,

      I did a tip on this very thing here:

      Release Progression: http://ignitiongolf.com/release-progression/

      Everyone who tries to drive their legs hard overdoes it. If you are used to releasing it with X body speed and you turn up your body speed why wouldn’t you get ahead of it. Of course you would. So with your current speed, you need to be hooking it. Once you get it hooking at this speed you can then drive harder to straighten it out. Simple. So get hooking it.

  5. February 3, 2014

    PaulKwon

    Hi Paul,
    I went through all the comments in the Related Tips and have more or less found the answers to the above myself. I just need some practice with this drill.

    I had hit three consecutive 260m (around 290 yard) drives after first time listening to your powerless arms and touch the legs theory in the Youtube the day of the round. This was around 3-4 months ago and I am yet to reproduce that form. I can still remember the excitement that day though. I thought I came upon the secret because I could feel the balls moving on the clubface.

    My muscle conditioning is not that good and being tired or not in good condition may be preventing me from incorporating this swing more quickly as the body tightens for impact more easily when tired.

    This drill makes a huge amount of sense now and I am surprised that this is not more widely taught to relax the wrists. I guess the genius in knowing what is really important among many.

    • Paul Wilson

      February 4, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Paul,

      So, what you did was you thought you “got it.” NEVER EVER EVER EVER say this or think this. Even when Tiger beat the filed by 13 shots he never said this. This is the kiss of death. So after you thought you got it you went out the next day are start to swing harder and harder. When you did you did with with your arms. The tighter your arms the slower the club swings the more power you lose.

      So what you should have done the day after you got it was headed out to the range and once you got to driver you started at 50% speed. This would get you hitting drivers with no arms. Then after you hit a few you gradually speed up the body rotation to hit it farther. If you got to the point you blew it right you would then back it off and not keep trying to go harder. So when you get it again (which you will) follow my instructions above and you will keep it forever.

      One of the hardest things is to fight human nature. HN wants you to hit. To gain more power you drive the legs hard never hit harder. This is a different way to think because it is opposite to what you want to do.

      Watch:

      Lose Your Swing: http://ignitiongolf.com/lose-your-golf-swing

      This one applies too:

      You Will Top It: http://ignitiongolf.com/you-will-top-it/

  6. February 4, 2014

    JosephBarrera

    I am 100% convinced that powering the swing with my legs and keeping the arms poweress has led to an improved consistency and simplicity to my swing. I do struggle with the occasional fade and I recognize that it is because I am failing to release the club. My concern is that by ensuring that I release the club as you said early in the downswing, it forces me to feel my hands and arms and then I begin swinging with my arms rather than with my legs leading potentially to some duck hooks and over the top swings. Any thoughts on how to reconcile this?

    • Paul Wilson

      February 4, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Joseph,

      You are going to feel your hands and arms when you are doing this drill. It is a drill. As you do it you are training this to happen so you don’t have to think about this in the future. So work on it until you do not slice it anymore. Once the slice is gone you stop thinking about it (powerless) and focus again on the lower body powering the swing.

  7. February 5, 2014

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Paul,
    There’s one thing you said ,but which in my opinion you don’t stress enough ,is THE COMPLETE relaxation OF THE fingers OF both hands ,even THE “small little pinky”pf THE left hand .
    I concentrate(mentally ) to hold THE handle as loose as possible ,1,5 on a 1/10 s

    • Paul Wilson

      February 6, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      The grip is secure when you get to the top but the wrists are lose which I talk about all the time. Telling your average person to loosen the grip will cause all sorts of issues with the great majority of people.

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