Drill: Count In the Backswing

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Paul Wilson

Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine. YouTube Channels: Paul Wilson Golf and Ignition Golf Tips. Please Join me on Google+

26 Responses to “Drill: Count In the Backswing”

  1. February 7, 2015

    NazninKarim

    Hi Paul

    Do you thonk its worth practicing this drill without a club?

    Regards
    Naz

    • Paul Wilson

      February 8, 2015

      Paul Wilson

      Naz,

      You could do this anywhere just by swinging the back arm to the top. This would be a situation where you are at work etc. without a club. There are always thing you can and should be doing anytime, anywhere regardless of whether you have a club or not.

  2. February 7, 2015

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Paul ,This video leaves me puzzled :I told you reçently That ,after reading PAUL NOVOSEL’s book ” TOUR TEMPO ” ,I clocked m’y swing with the SSRTT ,and found a tempo of 1,40 s..Many authors ,not only JOHN NOVOSEL ,claim swinging faster creates more energy .Until now ,I adhèred to BOBBY JONES motto ” Nobody swings ever too slow ” .WELL ,that’s wrong .Even BOBBY JONES himself ,from films taken of him had a tempo ,of 1,20 s and a ratio of 3/1 ( Backswing/ Through swing ).
    So I Speeded up m’y backswing ,and up went my Clubhead Speed by several MPH .
    I don’t feel tight at all ,and m’y Arms remain” POWERLESS ” as far as I CAN ,it’ s m’y core which does the ” speeding up “.
    As for counting ,I do it otherwise : I say ,in the backswing ” TURN,LIFT ,LOAD”,then ” SHIFT ” in the downswing ( To push hard on the right Instep ),thus I respect the 3/1 ratio.
    M’y”NEW ” tempo is now , 1,20 ,and it feels REAL fast .
    Many pro’s (Nick PRICE is the example ) swing faster ….
    Oh ,yes I forgot :you were right in my Turn back :not enough rotation :” Forcing the rotation backwards ” gives more Speed ,probably by enabling to build more energy with the core .

    • Drew

      February 8, 2015

      Drew

      I have asked Paul about Tour Tempo and he replied “I like swings that are over 1 second. I never think of the Novasel suff. If you have a good swing this should take care of itself. Did Jack Nicklaus every think of his swing ratio? Just work on a nice easy backswing. If you go back fast you will tighten your arms.”

      I have timed Paul’s superb swing from his video and it is the perfect 3:1 ratio of 21/7 , .93 seconds. So although he doesn’t give it any thought he is spot on. In this tip he says “1…2..3″ just like Novosel’s “swing…set..through” the same tempo. So Paul ,in my opinion, is teaching the same tempo as Novosel.

      • February 8, 2015

        RaymondCHASTEL

        Drew ,Paul is a great teacher has a wonderful swing ,but hé oversimplifies things :it is quite apparent to me That most amateurs ( of whom ,me ) have much to slow backswings :most of the golf Instructors tell you to go back ” LOW AND SLOW ” which is wrong ‘if you go faster back ,utilizing your core ,not YOUR Arms ,you go faster through .
        You store more energy ,and if you go with the 3/1 ratio your throughswing is faster .
        Nobody said That to me before ,not Even Paul .TEMPO and RYTHM do count and That part of teaching is lacking in the otherwise excellent teaching of Paul .

        • Paul Wilson

          February 8, 2015

          Paul Wilson

          Raymond,

          I am not going to spend a ton of time on this ratio. I want your body powering your arms. I want you to learn the right fundamentals so you look like a pro when you swing. If you have the right fundamentals you will have the ratio. It’s that simple. If you get more power turning faster do it.

          Tempo: http://ignitiongolf.com/golf-swing-tempo
          How to Get Consistent Swing Tempo: http://ignitiongolf.com/consistent-swing-tempo/

          What you don’t realize is that every tip I teach on powerless arms is also working on your tempo. Turn your arms off and you would have to use your body to power the swing. No arms and your body would tell your arms how fast to swing.

          In over 23 years of teaching golf I rarely see people with too slow of a backswing. Most are too fast because they are trying to hit the ball with the arms.

          Going back slower allows people to be in a better loaded backswing position with no swing flaws which allows them to generate more power. Before telling people to speed up I would be working on perfect backswing positions. Why would I tell someone to coil faster if they weren’t even close to being in position to come down.

      • Paul Wilson

        February 8, 2015

        Paul Wilson

        Drew,

        Thanks for the backup. Simple: If pros have the ratio and were not thinking or working on the ratio why not work on the fundamentals of the swing. If you have the fundamentals you would look like a pro therefore you would have the ratio.

        I thought my swing was slower than that. Interesting.

        • Drew

          February 10, 2015

          Drew

          Paul,
          Just for fun I went back to your swing machine video disc 4 today and timed your swing and most swings are indeed just over a second, and driver is very consistent at 1.06 seconds. Well done.

          • Paul Wilson

            February 11, 2015

            Paul Wilson

            Drew,

            Funny. I never think about this.

      • February 18, 2015

        RaymondCHASTEL

        Drew ,The problem is Paul doesn’t teach the correct Tempo ,he teaches no tempo at all(No offense intended:he says you should find it by yourself in implementing the Fundamentals ,which I do since a long,long time ) :I suddenly discovered I could go much faster in the forward rotation with the JOHN NOVOSEL device :the problem was entirely in my head ,my internal clock was moving much too slowly .
        LOW and SLOW going back ,as I said already is a stupidity .
        LOW ,yes ,but not SLOW !

        • Drew

          February 18, 2015

          Drew

          Raymond, I like the Tour Tempo stuff and use it with the Swing Machine Golf technique. When I try to match the downswing beat, however, I sometimes get the upper body involved when trying to speed up. I am seriously considering the somax hip trainer to get my hips to go faster so my upper body can respond naturally to a faster downswing trigger. Have you heard of that device?

          • Paul Wilson

            February 19, 2015

            Paul Wilson

            Drew,

            I do teach tempo. If your arms are powerless and your body tells your arms how fast to swing you would have unbelievably consistent smooth tempo because your body does not move that fast in life. If your body moves slowly and your arms are connected to your body you would never have a fast looking golf swing. This is how you know if someone is using their arms or not in their swing.

          • February 20, 2015

            RaymondCHASTEL

            Drew,Don’t tell about BOB PRICHARD and his SOMAX POWER HIP TRAINER :after reading on Internet the Buzz about his machine ,I bought one ,paid for it ,arrangée for the transportaition ,which for EUROPE is very expensive ,due to the Weight and size of the trainer .WELL ,when everything was in order ,BOB PRICHARD flatly refused to send it to me ,guess why ” YOU ARE TOO OLD DO DERIVE ANY BENEFIT FROM ” MY” TRAINER ”
            STUPENDOUS .
            I’m over 80 years of AGE ,very fit ,I play three rounds of golf ,18 holes ,each week ,exercize and practise daily at home ,and manage to play to a handicap of 7 ,just because m’y short game is fairly good .
            So i went to buy another training aid ,called ” THE POWER HIP ROTATOR ” by DENIS PUGH and SIMON HOLMES :it works as WELL as the SOMAX thing and us less costly .
            You CAN also geai with the rubber tubings of Marc BAUMANN ,tecommended by PAUL ( THE ULTIMATE SWING TRAINER )
            I also have a set of exercises to strengthen the muscles over and adjacent to the hips .
            What I found is not I Lacked muscles to Turn fast ,but That my mind had nô clue as to how to Turn fast .
            That’s why the TEMPO TIMER was such an ” EYE OPENER ” or preferably a “MIND OPENER ” to me
            Listening to the 24/8 béat does make me swing faster ,I see it on the SSRTT and in my distances on the golf course .
            I clocked m’y first swings at 1,45 s ,without the tempo timer ,then 1,20 with the 27/9 béat ,and finally around 1,10 with the 24/8 béat .
            If you swing faster you club MOVES EFFORTLY faster ,So does the ball.
            It’s as simple as That ,like CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS ‘s egg.
            I should add That it’s not the Arms who do the job ,as teaches rightly PAUL ,it’s the core turning faster ,and you don’ t feel you are ” hitting”

    • Paul Wilson

      February 8, 2015

      Paul Wilson

      Rayond,

      The drill is to slow people down not to do an exact 3:1 ratio.

  3. February 7, 2015

    Tom

    Great tip Paul, so simple, keeps tension and mind at bay. Thanks

    • Paul Wilson

      February 8, 2015

      Paul Wilson

      Tom,

      Glad you liked it. So many people have a fast baskwing. This tightens people up which hampers the downswing. Stay smooth as you go back.

  4. February 7, 2015

    R. J.Suh

    I love this tip.

    • Paul Wilson

      February 8, 2015

      Paul Wilson

      R.J.

      Glad you liked it. This really is a good one that everyone should be doing. Too many people rush it going back. This tightens people up which slows down the club.

  5. February 9, 2015

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Paul ,How much is going fast in the throughswing a mental matter :some Instructors say you have a comfort zone or a mental barrier which keeps you from believing your body can move faster in the outside space ?
    When I want to move faster ,I imagine a round Speedometer with a needle showing the
    120 MPH mark!!!

    • Paul Wilson

      February 10, 2015

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      You have to know how fast is fast. I don’t think you do. I am really moving. This takes a ton of energy. At your age will you be able to increase? I don’t know but what I do know is how and when I got it. I used my lower body harder than I ever had and gained 50 yards. From that day on, I never stopped doing it. You need to dig deep and find it too.

      Power: How I Got Power In My Swing: http://ignitiongolf.com/power-dig-foot-in/

  6. February 9, 2015

    PhilipGreenwood

    Hi paul. I have just started with your teaching program. I have watched a lot of your lessons. You advocate working on one thing at a time until it becomes repeatable consistently. Is there anywhere on your site. That indicates the right sequence of areas to work on. Ie, grip, stance, then where to go from there.

  7. February 18, 2015

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Paul ,Working on the Fundamentals is not enough :you have to work on the Tempo which suits you :I know you are skeptical ,but I just trained with the TOUR TEMPO Audio device from JOHN NOVOSEL :it works :my overall tempo was much to slow (Backswing too slow as usual for most golfers ) I fiddled between the 27/9 ratio and the 24/8 ratio (TIGER WOODS and other best).I feeled the 27/9 too slow,so I tried 24/8 (Which is your tempo 1,06 seconds :27/9 is 1,20 seconds )
    Well ,it worked fantastically well :longer distance ,more consistency ,feeling of ease :and all this was done while playing “real golf ” with partners on the golf course ,not on a driving range .My partners were intrigued by this device ,but acknowledged it helped me play better.(I’ve plyed two rounds with the TOUR TEMPO )
    My drives were really longer without an additional effort from me ,my fairway woods also ,and fairway woods are essential for a short hitter like me )
    Try it honestly ;I believe it’s the best “gimmick ” I’ve tested since a long long time …
    (N.B.I’m not paid by JOHN NOVOSEL to issue this statement!)

    • Paul Wilson

      February 19, 2015

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      I’m not skeptical I just don’t spend anytime thinking about it. If you have the right fundamentals you would have this tempo. End of story.

      If it works keep doing it.

  8. February 20, 2015

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Paul,I believe I have the right fundamentals ( Yours ):I keep following the sound advice you give in YOUR video lessons .
    Simply,utilizing the TOUR TEMPO MICRO PLAYER showed me I didn’t Turn fast enough in the through swing ,there was nô other way I would have found out by myself .As I suspected before ,it was a mental blocking That kept me from moving my core faster .
    Of course ,if you had seen me swinging ,you would have found That immediately .
    One of m’y grandsons is coming to visit me a Few days .He’l probably be capable of taking a video of me swinging ( My wife doesn’t know ).
    So you’ll be able to comment on the”Old Man’s swing ” !

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