Paul,
You said earlier here that we have to do the rollover drill. But if we have totally loose wrists would”nt the clubface square anyway ? Could you please explain why you fokus on the rollover drill.
John
You are right. Making your arms powerless would square the face perfectly but I know you will not turn them off. So instead of waiting years for you to do so why not manually roll them over. Stop putting slice spin in it. Then turn them off. This way you can stop slicing and gain confidence. I do not want you manually rolling it forever. Just until you stop putting slice spin on it. When manually rolling you will feel your arms rolling it. This is fine as you are learning it but the ultimate goal is to turn them. off.
Paul I notice that with the driver and 3 wood I have to manually roll by wrists over in the down swing or I get slice spin but not with my irons. Is this normal?
Sure is. Those are the longest clubs in your bad. They take longer (in time) to square). This is why I want people doing my roll over drill with driver. Get it with driver and the other clubs are easy.
Paul,there’s some buzz as to the necessity to tilt the spine when swinging .It seems to Me That in YOUR swing you don’t tilt the spine That much ( OF course there’s a dégrée of tilt in YOUR swing ,but it’s not exageratted as I see in other video lessons ).
There’s a drill where you Start backwards from approximately 3 feet after impact ,the point where YOUR both Arms are fully extended ,and you work YOUR way backwards ,with half swing ,3/4 swing,full swing ,to get the feel OF it .( There’ s Even a training device- expensive – for this drill )
Could you elaborate on this subject ,please ?
The tilt is created by driving your lower body in the downswing. It’s like hitting the accelerator on a car. Fire the lower first and the upper tilt back. It tilts back more the longer the club.
I feel at times my upper body is staying to much behind and at times feels like I’m dropping in height too much, which has led to some bad shots. I push really hard with the right foot and/or turn my hips to get on the left side. I do hit some great shots but need help…ANY THUOGHTS thanks Bruce
Paul ,
I have the left wrist slightly hinged (set back )when going to the top if the backswing(You do also! )
I saw in a recent video that it was recommended to have the left wrist ” bowed” so as to increase the diameter of the swing arc .
I don’t see that this “bowed “position of the wrist will increase that much significantly my swing arc .
At impact in any case the left wrist is straight(Flat ) or bowed outwards
Any comments !
Hey paul
I have finally managed to take my arms out of my swing on pretty much every shot and are playing the best golf of my life
However there in one thing I’m not sure on
When we rotate with our shoulders for the back swing I get to the half way back point and feel that I must lift my arms in order to finish the backswing
Am I doing something wrong?
Many thanks
Very good. I wasn’t joking about powerless arms. This is the key.
No you need to lift your arms to get the club in the correct position. Once you have done this enough they will go up there on their own. If you are working on position you will feel your arms. You master the positions then you turn them off.
Thank you very much
Was also meant to ask you say we need to feel the strtch during the backswing down your right side (leftie) I tend to feel it in my lower back is this right?
Some people who have come to see me feel it in the lower back. Once I grab their legs and hold them steady they feel it in the lat area. Not sure if you are moving the lower too much but keep it stable and try again. If you are stable and you still feel it in the lower back then maybe that is where you should be feeling it. You should maybe have us check it for you.
Been a member for a couple of weeks now having found your videos on YouTube. The tips are fantastic and I really understand the fundamentals of the swing now, they have got me going in the right direction. I’ve tried focusing on powerless arms and firing my lower body with the touching legs position, but I’m finding it difficult to hit it consistently straight, when it goes wrong it really goes way off line, although it’s usually good contact on the ball. I mostly hook or pull it, but with longer clubs and woods it can sometimes be a push or slice.
What do you think I should be focusing on and which tips will help me the most?
To become consistent you need to be working on the swing positions. You say you are touching the legs but what about the others.
At times when you are working on positions you should be feeling your arms. You master the positions then turn them off again. When slicing you are trying to hit it hard. This is locking your wrists and keeping the face open. This means you should be doing my roll over drill and getting it to hook consistently. Once you can do this, you then forget the roll over and concentrate on the coiling and uncoiling of your body to power the swing.
The shorter club are pulling and pull hooking. This is great. The wrist are working your body is not. I would think in trying to start your lower body you are immediately shifting your weight to the forward leg. In doing so, your whole body leans forward and you come over the top. When you fire the lower your whole upper body should be staying behind the ball. This creates the path from the inside.
In the DASHBOARD under FULL SWING > first slide are the 8 lessons I teach everyone. Stick to these for positioning and supplement with the other tips.
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17 Responses to “Why You Want Powerless Arms”
July 19, 2015
JohnSteenPaul,
You said earlier here that we have to do the rollover drill. But if we have totally loose wrists would”nt the clubface square anyway ? Could you please explain why you fokus on the rollover drill.
John
July 19, 2015
Paul WilsonJohn,
You are right. Making your arms powerless would square the face perfectly but I know you will not turn them off. So instead of waiting years for you to do so why not manually roll them over. Stop putting slice spin in it. Then turn them off. This way you can stop slicing and gain confidence. I do not want you manually rolling it forever. Just until you stop putting slice spin on it. When manually rolling you will feel your arms rolling it. This is fine as you are learning it but the ultimate goal is to turn them. off.
July 21, 2015
ThomasBrucePaul I notice that with the driver and 3 wood I have to manually roll by wrists over in the down swing or I get slice spin but not with my irons. Is this normal?
Tom B
July 21, 2015
Paul WilsonTom,
Sure is. Those are the longest clubs in your bad. They take longer (in time) to square). This is why I want people doing my roll over drill with driver. Get it with driver and the other clubs are easy.
Watch:
DRILL: 3 Ways To Roll It Over: https://ignitiongolf.com/3-ways-to-roll/
DRILL: Smooth Wrist Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/smooth-wrist-release/
Then you work on hips to straighten it out:
Driving Hips Harder But Hook It First: https://ignitiongolf.com/driving-hips-hook-first/
Golf Swing Timing For More Distance: https://ignitiongolf.com/timing-more-distance/
July 20, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul,there’s some buzz as to the necessity to tilt the spine when swinging .It seems to Me That in YOUR swing you don’t tilt the spine That much ( OF course there’s a dégrée of tilt in YOUR swing ,but it’s not exageratted as I see in other video lessons ).
There’s a drill where you Start backwards from approximately 3 feet after impact ,the point where YOUR both Arms are fully extended ,and you work YOUR way backwards ,with half swing ,3/4 swing,full swing ,to get the feel OF it .( There’ s Even a training device- expensive – for this drill )
Could you elaborate on this subject ,please ?
July 20, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I have done numerous tips on spine tilt at impact.
Body Tilt: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-body-tilt/
Impact Tilt With Different Clubs: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-tilt-different-clubs/
Body Tilt – Left Right: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling
Cures – Manually Tilt To Stop Pulling: https://ignitiongolf.com/manually-tilt-cure-pull/
The tilt is created by driving your lower body in the downswing. It’s like hitting the accelerator on a car. Fire the lower first and the upper tilt back. It tilts back more the longer the club.
July 20, 2015
BruceJespersenI feel at times my upper body is staying to much behind and at times feels like I’m dropping in height too much, which has led to some bad shots. I push really hard with the right foot and/or turn my hips to get on the left side. I do hit some great shots but need help…ANY THUOGHTS thanks Bruce
July 20, 2015
Paul WilsonBruce,
This would be you sliding. You need to turn as well. If you just shift you will blow it right or even hit it fat.
Watch:
Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-slide
You Better Check This Especially If You Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/slide-turn-foot-out/
Easy Way To Cure A Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/easy-way-cure-slide/
July 21, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,
I have the left wrist slightly hinged (set back )when going to the top if the backswing(You do also! )
I saw in a recent video that it was recommended to have the left wrist ” bowed” so as to increase the diameter of the swing arc .
I don’t see that this “bowed “position of the wrist will increase that much significantly my swing arc .
At impact in any case the left wrist is straight(Flat ) or bowed outwards
Any comments !
July 21, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Did any of the best players of all time do this? No. Why would you ever even think about doing something like this.
Cupped or Flat: https://ignitiongolf.com/top-backswing-cupped-flat
July 21, 2015
DavidCalvertHey paul
I have finally managed to take my arms out of my swing on pretty much every shot and are playing the best golf of my life
However there in one thing I’m not sure on
When we rotate with our shoulders for the back swing I get to the half way back point and feel that I must lift my arms in order to finish the backswing
Am I doing something wrong?
Many thanks
July 21, 2015
Paul WilsonDavid,
Very good. I wasn’t joking about powerless arms. This is the key.
No you need to lift your arms to get the club in the correct position. Once you have done this enough they will go up there on their own. If you are working on position you will feel your arms. You master the positions then you turn them off.
Watch:
When To Use Your Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/when-to-use-arms/
July 22, 2015
DavidCalvertThank you very much
Was also meant to ask you say we need to feel the strtch during the backswing down your right side (leftie) I tend to feel it in my lower back is this right?
July 22, 2015
Paul WilsonDavid,
Some people who have come to see me feel it in the lower back. Once I grab their legs and hold them steady they feel it in the lat area. Not sure if you are moving the lower too much but keep it stable and try again. If you are stable and you still feel it in the lower back then maybe that is where you should be feeling it. You should maybe have us check it for you.
July 23, 2015
DavidCalvertI pretty much always feel it in my lower right side of my back
July 22, 2015
HarrisonCrecraftHi Paul,
Been a member for a couple of weeks now having found your videos on YouTube. The tips are fantastic and I really understand the fundamentals of the swing now, they have got me going in the right direction. I’ve tried focusing on powerless arms and firing my lower body with the touching legs position, but I’m finding it difficult to hit it consistently straight, when it goes wrong it really goes way off line, although it’s usually good contact on the ball. I mostly hook or pull it, but with longer clubs and woods it can sometimes be a push or slice.
What do you think I should be focusing on and which tips will help me the most?
Keep up the great work!
Thanks
Harrison
July 22, 2015
Paul WilsonHarrison,
Thanks for the kind words. I truly appreciate it.
To become consistent you need to be working on the swing positions. You say you are touching the legs but what about the others.
At times when you are working on positions you should be feeling your arms. You master the positions then turn them off again. When slicing you are trying to hit it hard. This is locking your wrists and keeping the face open. This means you should be doing my roll over drill and getting it to hook consistently. Once you can do this, you then forget the roll over and concentrate on the coiling and uncoiling of your body to power the swing.
The shorter club are pulling and pull hooking. This is great. The wrist are working your body is not. I would think in trying to start your lower body you are immediately shifting your weight to the forward leg. In doing so, your whole body leans forward and you come over the top. When you fire the lower your whole upper body should be staying behind the ball. This creates the path from the inside.
In the DASHBOARD under FULL SWING > first slide are the 8 lessons I teach everyone. Stick to these for positioning and supplement with the other tips.
Roll Over
DRILL: Release and Rehinge: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-feel-release-rehinge
DRILL: Smooth Wrist Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/smooth-wrist-release/
DRILL: Watch Your Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-watch-release/
DRILL: 3 Ways To Roll It Over: https://ignitiongolf.com/3-ways-to-roll/
Once you can roll it over work on the body rotation:
Driving Hips Harder But Hook It First: https://ignitiongolf.com/driving-hips-hook-first/
Golf Swing Timing For More Distance: https://ignitiongolf.com/timing-more-distance/
Body Tilt:
Pull: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulled-shot
Pull 2 (expanding on it): https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling
Stop Coming Over the Top: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-stop-over-the-top/
Remembering How Cure Pulled Shots: https://ignitiongolf.com/remembering-cure-pulled-shots/
Body Tilt – Left Right: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling