It is all about not hitting. When you hit with arms it leans you forward in the downswing. This sends it over the top. You need to stay back and not hit anything with the arms.
The mental image is the body is an axis the club is mass. Move and axis and mass will always swing at 90 degrees to it. Simple physics.
Major differences. Much better looking swing going down the line. No more pulling left and slicing. That’s really an amazing improvement in such a short time.
We would have had this in 5 mins. but I tried other things earlier in the lesson. Sometimes I have to find what works for the student. I rarely do this (as you will see in the next tips) but for him it worked.
Boy do I now understand this since I’ve been recording my swing! Talk about Feel versus Real. I don’t feel like I’m coming over the top but when I recorded it, my gosh I sure do. This fellows old swing looks just like mine. Keeping my head behind the ball and feel like my left shoulder is pulling back and right shoulder is lowering and instead of coming over is really helping.
One question: As your weight is transferring don’t you want your right heel to come off the ground right away. Is this something I should think about delaying?
Yes, most people think they are doing something when they are not. Glad you see it now.
Definitely have to stay behind it to get the tilt and path in the downswing.
Your right heel would be coming up as the hands are around hip height. As you saw in the video he was lifting too early. This is not what I am doing. I am turning. As I keep turning it pulls the heel off the ground. So be very careful lifting this heel too soon.
I am 65 years old. I was particularly interested in what you had to say in the last 40 seconds of the video. I have generally poor balance although I work hard on it through balancing exercises and strengthening my legs and ankles. Sometimes I finish in good balance and other times not.
Much like this student does in the first video, I tend to fall off of my stance at the end of the swing either toward the ball or forward ahead of the ball. Does this mean I am likely moving my head forward and not staying behind the ball? Would your “Head Behind Ball” videos help me?
When you over tilt your body mass is ahead of the toe line so you can and most likely will get on your toes. I feel I am going down inside a cylinder as I set up.
As a drill you could hit balls from your heels too. Just a drill though. Then roll on the laces.
Thanks Paul. I am familiar with these two videos. I will review them again and check my setup. I also occasionally get back on my heels and fall away from the ball at impact making a severe pull. I need to make sure I have my weight “over the laces.”
As always, you do a great job with our question responses. Love Ignition Golf!
Upon checking my Setup folder, I had the “New Way To Get a Taller Setup” video. Good review. I am likely bending over too much and getting out on my toes. This one will be easy to practice indoors in front of a mirror while we have snow on the ground.
This was very helpful. I now realize I have been slouched over and need to get my chin up and stand taller. I now can only see my toes peripherally out of the bottom of my vision field. This improved my balance. Am I correct though that I might hit some thin shots until I get used to this new position?
Paul,
Thank you for your excellent instruction. You have made golf much more enjoyable. I have been using Speed Core at your recommendation. Should I let my right heel come off the ground during the forward portion of the exercise?
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16 Responses to “Swing Analysis – How We Cured “Over-the-Top” – Part 2”
February 19, 2019
J ThomasHannanPaul, what thought(s) or mental image(s) did you give to your student to help him avoid “over the top”?
February 20, 2019
Paul WilsonJ Thomas,
It is all about not hitting. When you hit with arms it leans you forward in the downswing. This sends it over the top. You need to stay back and not hit anything with the arms.
The mental image is the body is an axis the club is mass. Move and axis and mass will always swing at 90 degrees to it. Simple physics.
Watch:
2 Things Flatten the Plane: https://ignitiongolf.com/2-things-flatten-plane/
See The Plane Flatten: https://ignitiongolf.com/see-the-plane-flatten/
February 20, 2019
TheresaWallerIn part 1 of this swing analysis, you mentioned that you found a particular drill/tip that helped him stop coming over the top. What was that?
February 20, 2019
Paul WilsonTheresa,
Keep watching. I haven’t told you yet. This was part 2. There are more parts.
February 20, 2019
GLENNWISSEMajor differences. Much better looking swing going down the line. No more pulling left and slicing. That’s really an amazing improvement in such a short time.
February 20, 2019
Paul WilsonGlenn,
We would have had this in 5 mins. but I tried other things earlier in the lesson. Sometimes I have to find what works for the student. I rarely do this (as you will see in the next tips) but for him it worked.
February 21, 2019
JohnBensonBoy do I now understand this since I’ve been recording my swing! Talk about Feel versus Real. I don’t feel like I’m coming over the top but when I recorded it, my gosh I sure do. This fellows old swing looks just like mine. Keeping my head behind the ball and feel like my left shoulder is pulling back and right shoulder is lowering and instead of coming over is really helping.
One question: As your weight is transferring don’t you want your right heel to come off the ground right away. Is this something I should think about delaying?
February 21, 2019
Paul WilsonJohn,
Yes, most people think they are doing something when they are not. Glad you see it now.
Definitely have to stay behind it to get the tilt and path in the downswing.
Your right heel would be coming up as the hands are around hip height. As you saw in the video he was lifting too early. This is not what I am doing. I am turning. As I keep turning it pulls the heel off the ground. So be very careful lifting this heel too soon.
February 23, 2019
MichaelBarrettPaul,
I am 65 years old. I was particularly interested in what you had to say in the last 40 seconds of the video. I have generally poor balance although I work hard on it through balancing exercises and strengthening my legs and ankles. Sometimes I finish in good balance and other times not.
Much like this student does in the first video, I tend to fall off of my stance at the end of the swing either toward the ball or forward ahead of the ball. Does this mean I am likely moving my head forward and not staying behind the ball? Would your “Head Behind Ball” videos help me?
Thanks much!
Mike
February 24, 2019
Paul WilsonMike,
When people fall forward they are usually too tilted to begin with or they are too far away from the ball. I would check the setup first.
A New Way To Get The Taller Setup: https://ignitiongolf.com/new-way-taller-setup/
Stand Tall with Short Clubs: https://ignitiongolf.com/stand-tall-short-clubs/
When you over tilt your body mass is ahead of the toe line so you can and most likely will get on your toes. I feel I am going down inside a cylinder as I set up.
As a drill you could hit balls from your heels too. Just a drill though. Then roll on the laces.
February 25, 2019
MichaelBarrettThanks Paul. I am familiar with these two videos. I will review them again and check my setup. I also occasionally get back on my heels and fall away from the ball at impact making a severe pull. I need to make sure I have my weight “over the laces.”
As always, you do a great job with our question responses. Love Ignition Golf!
Mike
February 25, 2019
MichaelBarrettPaul,
Upon checking my Setup folder, I had the “New Way To Get a Taller Setup” video. Good review. I am likely bending over too much and getting out on my toes. This one will be easy to practice indoors in front of a mirror while we have snow on the ground.
Thanks!
Mike
February 26, 2019
Paul WilsonMichael,
Very good. This will take about 3 practice sessions to master.
February 26, 2019
Paul WilsonMichael,
Weight on laces is great. Definitely keep doing this for every swing. Glad you like it.
February 28, 2019
MichaelBarrettPaul,
This was very helpful. I now realize I have been slouched over and need to get my chin up and stand taller. I now can only see my toes peripherally out of the bottom of my vision field. This improved my balance. Am I correct though that I might hit some thin shots until I get used to this new position?
Thanks, Mike
April 28, 2023
TedbelisPaul,
Thank you for your excellent instruction. You have made golf much more enjoyable. I have been using Speed Core at your recommendation. Should I let my right heel come off the ground during the forward portion of the exercise?