Correct me if I’m wrong Paul but I believe Sir Nick Faldo started golf later in life. Age 14 he took his first lesson.
But your right it’s a tough learning curve as an adult. I started golf late at 36 now I’m 57. Where was I going?? Lol. Been with you 2 years. Still learning but getting better.
That’s not later in life that’s still young. I am talking older golfers. Adults. 16 is borderline adult. 14 is a kid.
Starting later in life causes you to do the opposite. Glad you are improving but think you have the arm strength of a kid. Imagine it. If so you would have to hit it with your legs and hips.
I have found another way which is similar to imagining a kid trying to swing a heavy club. When I was younger I often had to a heavy sledge hammer to knock down logs and rocks. Because sledge hammer is quite heavy it was easier to use the body to swing the hammer back using the body motion then let it fall and add momentum by using the body turn to swing it in an arc under arm. The hands and arms do nothing except to hold onto the hammer. I use this as an imagination in my golf swing except that I would go through the full golf swing motion.
Very good. You know exactly what I mean. This is what you need to do in the golf swing. So imagine your golf club is a heavy as the sledge hammer. Well, a 5lb sledge hammer anyway. That is what it feels like to me.
The problem I have is that when I try to turn off my arms it feels like they are going to far to the inside on the backswing, how do I prevent that without turning my arms back on?
There is no way your hands would be going back way inside taking it back with your body unless you totally stood up going back. You have already done a one-piece takeaway before. Have you not seen these tips? Go to Dashboard > Full Swing > Takeaway
Paul, I started golf at 58 and got hooked. I committed every error in the book. After being with you, I am really having fun playing and now know what the swing is about. I am trying to convince my body to know.
Very good. I don’t doubt you committed every error in the book. This is what every adult does. It’s all from hitting with the arms. Glad you are making the switch and know what to work on and that it’s fun. It just keeps getting more and more fun as you gain experience.
I was at the range today and when I hit the ball with very low effort it felt like my left arm was against my chest as I hit the ball. Is this the feeling that I want to stride for? In other words, my body was was turning and the inertia caused by the weight of the arms and club was keeping them behind me. Is this what lag should feel like in a swing?
The lead arm would be connected. I am not forcing though. If you feel a little pressure that would be a good thing. Eventually you will get used to it and clearing be thinking of the lower body. Lower and not hitting is all I am thinking.
That is not really what lag feels like. Lag is the compression in your wrists. Then it is the compression that whips loosely through and past impact. So in other words it’s an incredibly loose sensation in the wrists. You just have to keep doing the drills and it will come.
Today I hit a good number of balls and worked on the powerless arms and the swing positions. The folks near me commented on just how easy I was swinging and the ball was just flying a good distance. Odd when i swung easy at what seemed like 1/2 my normal speed the ball went just as far and the contact was really clean.
The tough part is the tightness at the top position. If I restrict my lower body while turning my upper, I can generate lots of torque but it is very difficult to control. I like turning back until my left shoulder is below my chin and then driving my lower body using the right instep trigger. It creates good distance (150 yds/8 iron) and is repeatable.
Very good. When they start commenting on your swing you know it’s looking good.
I keep telling people the ball will go as far if not farther with less effort. If you swing twice as hard and don’t get twice the result why would you swing hard? The pay off is not there.
Yes, just keep thinking of the coil and uncoil. Make this the power source. As you keep doing it you will get better at it.
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12 Responses to “How One Student Got Powerless Arms”
August 7, 2015
JohnSweeneyCorrect me if I’m wrong Paul but I believe Sir Nick Faldo started golf later in life. Age 14 he took his first lesson.
But your right it’s a tough learning curve as an adult. I started golf late at 36 now I’m 57. Where was I going?? Lol. Been with you 2 years. Still learning but getting better.
Thanks for your help.
John
Melbourne, Florida
August 7, 2015
Paul WilsonJohn,
That’s not later in life that’s still young. I am talking older golfers. Adults. 16 is borderline adult. 14 is a kid.
Starting later in life causes you to do the opposite. Glad you are improving but think you have the arm strength of a kid. Imagine it. If so you would have to hit it with your legs and hips.
August 7, 2015
AlbertChungI have found another way which is similar to imagining a kid trying to swing a heavy club. When I was younger I often had to a heavy sledge hammer to knock down logs and rocks. Because sledge hammer is quite heavy it was easier to use the body to swing the hammer back using the body motion then let it fall and add momentum by using the body turn to swing it in an arc under arm. The hands and arms do nothing except to hold onto the hammer. I use this as an imagination in my golf swing except that I would go through the full golf swing motion.
August 7, 2015
Paul WilsonAlbert,
Very good. You know exactly what I mean. This is what you need to do in the golf swing. So imagine your golf club is a heavy as the sledge hammer. Well, a 5lb sledge hammer anyway. That is what it feels like to me.
August 7, 2015
GaryKingThe problem I have is that when I try to turn off my arms it feels like they are going to far to the inside on the backswing, how do I prevent that without turning my arms back on?
August 7, 2015
Paul WilsonGary,
There is no way your hands would be going back way inside taking it back with your body unless you totally stood up going back. You have already done a one-piece takeaway before. Have you not seen these tips? Go to Dashboard > Full Swing > Takeaway
One Piece Takeaway: https://ignitiongolf.com/master-one-piece-takeaway/
One-Piece Takeaway Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/one-piece-takeaway-drill/
Also, powerless arms is not floppy arms. I just did a tip on this:
Powerless Arms vs Floppy Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/powerless-arms-vs-floppy-arms/
Finally, you need to understand a little more about powerless arms. Powerless arms is you not hitting or helping it in any way.
What Is Powerless Arms?: https://ignitiongolf.com/what-is-powerless-arms/
Why You Can’t Stop Hitting With Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-hitting-with-arms/
Powerless Arms Test: https://ignitiongolf.com/powerless-arms-test/
Powerless Arms – The Trust Factor: https://ignitiongolf.com/the-trust-factor/
How To Get Powerless Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-get-powerless-arms/
August 8, 2015
KennthBovaPaul, I started golf at 58 and got hooked. I committed every error in the book. After being with you, I am really having fun playing and now know what the swing is about. I am trying to convince my body to know.
August 9, 2015
Paul WilsonKen,
Very good. I don’t doubt you committed every error in the book. This is what every adult does. It’s all from hitting with the arms. Glad you are making the switch and know what to work on and that it’s fun. It just keeps getting more and more fun as you gain experience.
August 8, 2015
PaulSacchettiPaul,
I was at the range today and when I hit the ball with very low effort it felt like my left arm was against my chest as I hit the ball. Is this the feeling that I want to stride for? In other words, my body was was turning and the inertia caused by the weight of the arms and club was keeping them behind me. Is this what lag should feel like in a swing?
Paul
August 9, 2015
Paul WilsonPaul,
The lead arm would be connected. I am not forcing though. If you feel a little pressure that would be a good thing. Eventually you will get used to it and clearing be thinking of the lower body. Lower and not hitting is all I am thinking.
That is not really what lag feels like. Lag is the compression in your wrists. Then it is the compression that whips loosely through and past impact. So in other words it’s an incredibly loose sensation in the wrists. You just have to keep doing the drills and it will come.
DRILL: Work On Lag Anywhere: https://ignitiongolf.com/work-on-lag-anywhere/
Lag And Release Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/lag-release-drill
Drill: Hold Lag Turn Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-hold-lag-turn-hips/
How to Feel Lag: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-lag-1/
How To Feel Lag 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/lag-follow-up/
August 10, 2015
PaulSacchettiPaul,
Today I hit a good number of balls and worked on the powerless arms and the swing positions. The folks near me commented on just how easy I was swinging and the ball was just flying a good distance. Odd when i swung easy at what seemed like 1/2 my normal speed the ball went just as far and the contact was really clean.
The tough part is the tightness at the top position. If I restrict my lower body while turning my upper, I can generate lots of torque but it is very difficult to control. I like turning back until my left shoulder is below my chin and then driving my lower body using the right instep trigger. It creates good distance (150 yds/8 iron) and is repeatable.
Thanks for all your insight,
Paul
August 11, 2015
Paul WilsonPaul,
Very good. When they start commenting on your swing you know it’s looking good.
I keep telling people the ball will go as far if not farther with less effort. If you swing twice as hard and don’t get twice the result why would you swing hard? The pay off is not there.
Yes, just keep thinking of the coil and uncoil. Make this the power source. As you keep doing it you will get better at it.