Greetings Coach I really like the new site/a lot of work by your team but well worth it for us/ Thanks TEAM /It will take a little time for me to move through all of it because there is so much great stuff WELL DONE
Paul, great tip. An analogy would be in your lag is like cracking the towel. In martial arts, that flick of the wrist gives you power. At the moment of impact, the wrists are flicking (rolling) from the force of the body. I hope I put that right.
Very good reminder ,Paul ,you showed this drill some time ago and it’s useful to demonstrate it again
I have a question here :do you purposedly orient the right palm downwards towards the ground when coming down from the top ,with the right wrist still hinged backwards ,before rolling the wrists as you show ?
The purpose is to compress the ball better at impact.
Also,some Golf Teachers don’t avocate to roll the wrists .Why ?
I do nothing with my hands to hit, help, influences etc. the club. By doing nothing the mass (club) will always swing to its widest point which is after impact. If the club is still descending at impact there would be an angle in the right wrists.
Some teachers don’t advocate rolling the wrists because:
1. They think the wrists release is going to magically happen on its own.
2. They think that having you do strong grip is going to make this happen.
3. They don’t know how to fix the the hook.
4. The are trying to get you to square the face at impact within the few degrees necessary to hit it on target (next to impossible).
5. They don’t understand how the golf swing works.
6. The adjust your alignment to try to fix this.
7. And a host of other reasons.
Different teachers see the swing differently. I know what results I get.
Paul ,When I do “nothing “with the wrists ,as you say you do ,my ball flight is always straight; ” Rolling the wrists” is not a “natural” move for me (Well ,I didn’t learn it !!)Should I force the issue nevertheless and “manually ” roll the wrists ?
Paul ,I should add that I have a “neutral to weak ” “grip,V’s oriented towards the chin.So squaring the clubface for me does not derive from the grip,I really don’t know why I “square ” naturally the clubface without rolling the wrists!!!
Enigma?
Raymond. If the V’s are at you chin this is a weak grip not neutral. You need to see 2 knuckles of the left hand and the V’s pointing between the right ear and shoulder. It’s easy to square it hitting it the distance you are hitting it. Once you increase the distance with your body rotation you will most likely blow it right with this grip because it is too weak. With this grip you have to roll it over more than I do just to get it to square. Why would you want to do have to do that? To prove it, move the grip to neutral as I suggested in my previous answer. With this grip you should hook it because it is stronger than how you are currently gripping it. If so, you can now start driving your legs harder and harder until the ball goes straight. With the other grip if you drive the legs harder you will blow it right in which case you will stop driving your legs this hard.
As much as you keep saying you are doing everything right I know for a fact you are not. You keep telling me you are doing thing wrong yet you keep asking how you get more power. Focus on the changes and keep doing them. Then you will get the distance you are after.
It is not natural for most people. You need to be constantly working on this. You are the one saying you need more distance. I keep explaining how to do it. Just do the moves and you will gain the distance. If you did not learn gold under the age of 10 your wrists are too tight … guaranteed. This will help loosen them up. Keep in mind if you roll it too much you will hook it but you know that adding body rotation straightens it out.
Paul ,Thanks for the sound advice and recommendations.
In his most intetrsting book”WIRED TO WIN ” ,Dave BRESLOW explains how we are prisoners of the “Circle” ,and what we have to do to break through.I suppose that’s my case ,as for many others.I ‘ll try to do as you say :changing mental habits is not that easy !
This is the problem I go through on a daily basis. People keep wanting to see great shots without a great swing. So they just keep doing what they are doing. Building a great swing takes time. Stay focused and you will get it.
Paul,I am of opinion That ingraining what DAVE BRESLOW says about how difficult is to ” get out of the loop “orv” breaking away from the circle”is a prerequisite to benefit from your sound teaching .
This applies of course and specifically to” Old Timers ” such as me who have too many Bad habits or wrong MOVES built over the years in Their homemade swings .
Paul I have useful golf training gimmick called the “Snag Snapper ” :it’s just a rod with a grip on it and a long ribbon attached at it’s end :it does issue a loud crack like a whip when you perform well the lag and release move .
I find it most useful to educate my left wrist to “snap” ,swinging with the left arm only .
Paul, thank you for your drills that increase the excitement and naturalness of the swing, especially this one. However, rolling the wrists to release raises a new significant degree of difficulty to synchronise the club face orientation at impact time with the ball.
Any suggestions on how to reduce this difficulty and restore consistency of solid contact ? Thank you in advance for your kind response.
You are manually rolling to master the hinge and re-hinge of the wrists. You should not be thinking about this once mastered. This would happen on its own due to the forces acting on the mass (club).
So you are using forces to square the face consistently because forces repeat 100% of the time in life.
You are then connecting this arm unit to your body which is coiling which creates torque and uncoiling.
I just don’t think you know enough about what I teach yet to understand that I want your arms powerless as you hit the ball. To get them to work properly to the point you can turn them off and still have them hinge and re-hinge you need to manually work on this action for a while.
Paul, I have found the loose wrists works great but sometimes I hit it straight right.
Also hit it right when I try to increase the speed of my hip turn.
Any ideas?
RE: Hinge Hold and Roll drill
Once you get to the top fully hinged, do you initiate
the practice drill with a rotation of the lower body
or work only by rotation of the upper body, holding the
lag to the hip position, hold it and then roll it?
You should never be practicing rotation of the upper body unless you are working on the backswing. The downswing is an uncoil which is done with the lower body. You coil your shoulders you uncoil your legs and hips. In doing so the upper uncoils on its own. Your arms are connected to your upper body so they should move if you use your legs and hips.
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26 Responses to “Remember Series – Hinge, Hold and Roll”
March 19, 2015
DennisJohnsonWill I hook the shot from move?
Thanks for having this site. I realy enjoy your videos!
Dennis
March 20, 2015
Paul WilsonDennis,
You may hook it bu look at the advantage of hooking it. Your wrist hinge is working. You then add body rotation to straighten it out.
Watch:
Watch The Ball To Fix Your Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-ball-to-fix-your-swing/
How to Cure the Direction: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-direction/
How to Cure the Spin: https://ignitiongolf.com/fix-spin-problems/
How to Cure the Contact: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-contact/
How to Cure Spin and Direction Problems: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-spin-direction-problems/
March 19, 2015
JamesTheodoreGreat tip. Question as to when you time the wrist roll has always been interesting. Simple and effective as always.
I have found doing these drills repetitively in slow motion really helps.
Thanks again!
Best,
Jim
March 20, 2015
Paul WilsonJim,
Glad you liked it. Just constant do this and it will do wonders for your swing.
March 20, 2015
johnhoyleGreetings Coach I really like the new site/a lot of work by your team but well worth it for us/ Thanks TEAM /It will take a little time for me to move through all of it because there is so much great stuff WELL DONE
March 20, 2015
Paul WilsonJohn,
Glad you like the new dashboard. I appreciate the feedback. Just going to make it better and better in the future.
March 20, 2015
KennthBovaPaul, great tip. An analogy would be in your lag is like cracking the towel. In martial arts, that flick of the wrist gives you power. At the moment of impact, the wrists are flicking (rolling) from the force of the body. I hope I put that right.
March 20, 2015
Paul WilsonKenneth,
Yes, that is a great analogy. I often refer to this in my teaching.
March 20, 2015
RaymondCHASTELVery good reminder ,Paul ,you showed this drill some time ago and it’s useful to demonstrate it again
I have a question here :do you purposedly orient the right palm downwards towards the ground when coming down from the top ,with the right wrist still hinged backwards ,before rolling the wrists as you show ?
The purpose is to compress the ball better at impact.
Also,some Golf Teachers don’t avocate to roll the wrists .Why ?
March 20, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I do nothing with my hands to hit, help, influences etc. the club. By doing nothing the mass (club) will always swing to its widest point which is after impact. If the club is still descending at impact there would be an angle in the right wrists.
Some teachers don’t advocate rolling the wrists because:
1. They think the wrists release is going to magically happen on its own.
2. They think that having you do strong grip is going to make this happen.
3. They don’t know how to fix the the hook.
4. The are trying to get you to square the face at impact within the few degrees necessary to hit it on target (next to impossible).
5. They don’t understand how the golf swing works.
6. The adjust your alignment to try to fix this.
7. And a host of other reasons.
Different teachers see the swing differently. I know what results I get.
March 21, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,When I do “nothing “with the wrists ,as you say you do ,my ball flight is always straight; ” Rolling the wrists” is not a “natural” move for me (Well ,I didn’t learn it !!)Should I force the issue nevertheless and “manually ” roll the wrists ?
March 21, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,I should add that I have a “neutral to weak ” “grip,V’s oriented towards the chin.So squaring the clubface for me does not derive from the grip,I really don’t know why I “square ” naturally the clubface without rolling the wrists!!!
Enigma?
March 22, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond. If the V’s are at you chin this is a weak grip not neutral. You need to see 2 knuckles of the left hand and the V’s pointing between the right ear and shoulder. It’s easy to square it hitting it the distance you are hitting it. Once you increase the distance with your body rotation you will most likely blow it right with this grip because it is too weak. With this grip you have to roll it over more than I do just to get it to square. Why would you want to do have to do that? To prove it, move the grip to neutral as I suggested in my previous answer. With this grip you should hook it because it is stronger than how you are currently gripping it. If so, you can now start driving your legs harder and harder until the ball goes straight. With the other grip if you drive the legs harder you will blow it right in which case you will stop driving your legs this hard.
As much as you keep saying you are doing everything right I know for a fact you are not. You keep telling me you are doing thing wrong yet you keep asking how you get more power. Focus on the changes and keep doing them. Then you will get the distance you are after.
March 22, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
It is not natural for most people. You need to be constantly working on this. You are the one saying you need more distance. I keep explaining how to do it. Just do the moves and you will gain the distance. If you did not learn gold under the age of 10 your wrists are too tight … guaranteed. This will help loosen them up. Keep in mind if you roll it too much you will hook it but you know that adding body rotation straightens it out.
March 23, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,Thanks for the sound advice and recommendations.
In his most intetrsting book”WIRED TO WIN ” ,Dave BRESLOW explains how we are prisoners of the “Circle” ,and what we have to do to break through.I suppose that’s my case ,as for many others.I ‘ll try to do as you say :changing mental habits is not that easy !
March 23, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
This is the problem I go through on a daily basis. People keep wanting to see great shots without a great swing. So they just keep doing what they are doing. Building a great swing takes time. Stay focused and you will get it.
March 23, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul,I am of opinion That ingraining what DAVE BRESLOW says about how difficult is to ” get out of the loop “orv” breaking away from the circle”is a prerequisite to benefit from your sound teaching .
This applies of course and specifically to” Old Timers ” such as me who have too many Bad habits or wrong MOVES built over the years in Their homemade swings .
March 24, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Exactly. If you want to change you want to change. If you don’t I will keep bugging to change.
March 20, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul I have useful golf training gimmick called the “Snag Snapper ” :it’s just a rod with a grip on it and a long ribbon attached at it’s end :it does issue a loud crack like a whip when you perform well the lag and release move .
I find it most useful to educate my left wrist to “snap” ,swinging with the left arm only .
March 20, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
If it works for you then use it. I checked it out. Not sure I would promote it but it may help some people.
March 20, 2015
Marvel Giuseppe PadovaniPaul, thank you for your drills that increase the excitement and naturalness of the swing, especially this one. However, rolling the wrists to release raises a new significant degree of difficulty to synchronise the club face orientation at impact time with the ball.
Any suggestions on how to reduce this difficulty and restore consistency of solid contact ? Thank you in advance for your kind response.
March 20, 2015
Paul WilsonMarvel,
You are manually rolling to master the hinge and re-hinge of the wrists. You should not be thinking about this once mastered. This would happen on its own due to the forces acting on the mass (club).
So you are using forces to square the face consistently because forces repeat 100% of the time in life.
You are then connecting this arm unit to your body which is coiling which creates torque and uncoiling.
I just don’t think you know enough about what I teach yet to understand that I want your arms powerless as you hit the ball. To get them to work properly to the point you can turn them off and still have them hinge and re-hinge you need to manually work on this action for a while.
Watch:
How to Release the Golf Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release/
Manually Square the Clubface: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-clubface/
Manually Square the Clubface (Follow Up): https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-face-follow-up
Release Progression: https://ignitiongolf.com/release-progression/
Body:
Coiling: https://ignitiongolf.com/learn-coil-backswing
Uncoil 1: https://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil
Uncoil 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil-follow-up
March 20, 2015
LouisBondPaul, I have found the loose wrists works great but sometimes I hit it straight right.
Also hit it right when I try to increase the speed of my hip turn.
Any ideas?
louis
March 20, 2015
Paul WilsonLouis,
You are driving your body too hard. Did you not see this tip:
Driving Hips Harder But Hook It First: https://ignitiongolf.com/driving-hips-hook-first/
March 22, 2015
RobertGibsonRE: Hinge Hold and Roll drill
Once you get to the top fully hinged, do you initiate
the practice drill with a rotation of the lower body
or work only by rotation of the upper body, holding the
lag to the hip position, hold it and then roll it?
Thank you for your continued help.
March 23, 2015
Paul WilsonRobert,
I posted a tip right after that one. You can watch it here:
DRILL: Move The Hips and Hold The Lag Angle https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-move-hips-hold-lag/
You should never be practicing rotation of the upper body unless you are working on the backswing. The downswing is an uncoil which is done with the lower body. You coil your shoulders you uncoil your legs and hips. In doing so the upper uncoils on its own. Your arms are connected to your upper body so they should move if you use your legs and hips.
Watch:
Shoulders in downswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/shoulders-downswing/
You can also work on holding the lag as I demonstrated in this tip.