I still struggle with lifting up on my practice swings. I am in Wisconsin, so I practice swings inside using a carpet square, so no ball. I do often feel the club skimming off the carpet as if I took a nice divot on a fairway, but also often swing and the club whiffs above the carpet square as if I would be hitting it thin. I try and focus on keeping my head down, slowing my swing and imagining I am leaning against a bar stool through impact to avoid lifting up, but can’t seem to get consistent.
Many of your videos reinforce your teaching concepts, and there have been some on maintaining the forward tilt through the swing and to not look up to see the ball to avoid the thin hits, etc…. Can you re-emphasize some of things we should visualize or feel in maintaining that forward tilt so we don’t hit thin or worse fat, hitting the ground before the ball. One analogy I have found helpful is imagining your head lying on a pillow at the finish and as I noted above, imagining you are leaning against a bar stool at impact.
I guess in a long winded manner, I am asking for multiple repetitive videos on maintaining the forward tilt, taking divots, and avoiding the thin and fat shots.
You really don’t have to hit the exact same spot of the carpet. In fact, you should not be thinking of hitting anything at all. If you are trying to hit the same spot on the carpet you are thinking about hitting. I would prefer you to hold the club in the air as you do your swing then you will be thinking of the positions and NOT about hitting anything. You need to be focusing on Point A (top of the backswing) and Point B Follow Through.
These are the spots you are trying to make perfect. In no way do you even care about impact. So as you so your swing make sure you are looking at yourself through tilted eyes. That tip is here:
I use the straightening of my right leg as the trigger to start the downswing. I just made a BIG discovery and want to check it out
with you. Even though I turn my left foot out a little as you suggest, I notices that when I straighten my right leg, that hip is pretty much facing forward. It almost gets in the way of my swing. Then, in an experiment, I straightened my right leg and at the same time tucked/turned/ pushed/threw my right hip behind the right one. I started the downswing with this version of the straightening of the right leg. All of a sudden, I got a fast swing while putting no arm effort into it.
I haven’t been consistent in aim but feel I have corrected a problem. What do think?
Any trigger you use causes the others to happen. Choosing a trigger is a thought. I think about it with my right foot. If you think about it with the left left straightening that is fine so long as your hips turn and the weight comes off this back foot. So it sounds like this is happening for you. Keep doing it.
Hi Paul
Merry Christmas to you and your family. I love your body swing and your tips on ignition golf. I am limited to swinging indoors and on good days outside but at home due to covid restrictions. I feel that this is actually helping in learning because I am not even tempted to worry about hitting the ball. When I do eventually get back to the range and course I m totally confident that my golf will improve dramatically. Thank you.
I smiled when I saw this video today because this topic was exactly what I was thinking about yesterday.
Yesterday I compared my swing to a young pro (a lady pro because they have better swings) using V1 Golf and I could see that her hip at impact was much more open than mine. This despite my desperate attempts during last few months to move my hip…
I seem to have no problems moving my hip without the ball in front of me indoors but I just cannot do it with the ball in front or anywhere near me outdoors. I am just rushing the downswing and creating pulled shots or slices. So I have two problems – insufficient hip movement and stiff wrists.
What I will be trying at the next practice session is to actually spend the transition time between top of the swing and impact to slowly uncock my right hand as I shift my weight to put my thighs together. Hopefully this will prevent my arms from separating from the body and hitting the ball very early during the downswing.
You cannot do it with the ball because you are thinking of hitting the ball and you are not good at doing it. You should just be trying to let your arms be powerless if you are not specifically working on them by doing my roll over drill. By trying to uncock them along with the other stuff will not work because you only have .25 of a second from the top to impact. Also, you should not be thinking of shifting to start the downswing. You should be thinking of turning. The shift occurs on its own by you getting to my touch the legs position. So you no longer have to think about shifting. If you are thinking shift you are not thinking turn. What are you having trouble with? Turning. Why would you b thinking of shifting?
So either work on the release or the turn. I have tons of tips now on the roll over drill:
Paul ,It seems to me that most players don’t make an analogy between THE golf swing and other sport throwing movements ,such as tennis ,put throwing ,javelin throwing ,cricket ,baseball,throwing a punch when boxing ,fencing ,etc…
In all th
That is right. They don’t make this comparison and when they do talk about it they say it is nothing like other sports. It is just mind boggling what is out there.
I am using the early spring to work on technique before moving out to the course and playing. Saturday was specifically weight shift day and I was trying to push off with the right instep, turn my hips, shift the weight to the left and begin the down swing. I must have been doing something wrong because my right knee was slightly sore just to the left and behind the knee on Sunday. After viewing this video it seems I was staying a little flat footed and not lifting the toe just after the hip turns begins and the down swing begins. Bottom line I was twisting the knee. After a little ice all is well with the knee today but it did remind me I was not lifting my heel soon enough to let the hips turn. Besides working on the golf I will also drop a few pounds which may be the larger factor in the sore knee (:. “Old age is the most unexpected of things that can happen to a man” Trotsky
Yes, you were doing something wrong. This should not hurt your body in any way. Remember, this is the very same motion as throwing a ball. Do you hurt yourself throwing a ball. No. If you apply this same move to your swing it shouldn’t hurt either.
…perfect…just went outside with that swing thought in mind and it worked. Everything came together. So simple yet so hard when you have been doing it wrong for 40 years or so! Appreciate your patience Paul…
I just have to take a video of my swing very soon….We have had sunny days here in Sweden for a week now and I have been to the course about four times already!! I have surprised both my self and my playing partners with my swing compared to last season….!!! (no one knows how much I have struggled with practice during winter). Yesterday when playing 18 holes I actually lowered my hcp, on the first 18 hole round this season!!! It felt so easy!! Today I was back at aiming bad, going into bunkers and water and whatever I found that could make things difficult! But…I haven
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18 Responses to “Pro Versus Amateur – Impact Hip Turn”
March 9, 2014
RandyGormanI still struggle with lifting up on my practice swings. I am in Wisconsin, so I practice swings inside using a carpet square, so no ball. I do often feel the club skimming off the carpet as if I took a nice divot on a fairway, but also often swing and the club whiffs above the carpet square as if I would be hitting it thin. I try and focus on keeping my head down, slowing my swing and imagining I am leaning against a bar stool through impact to avoid lifting up, but can’t seem to get consistent.
Many of your videos reinforce your teaching concepts, and there have been some on maintaining the forward tilt through the swing and to not look up to see the ball to avoid the thin hits, etc…. Can you re-emphasize some of things we should visualize or feel in maintaining that forward tilt so we don’t hit thin or worse fat, hitting the ground before the ball. One analogy I have found helpful is imagining your head lying on a pillow at the finish and as I noted above, imagining you are leaning against a bar stool at impact.
I guess in a long winded manner, I am asking for multiple repetitive videos on maintaining the forward tilt, taking divots, and avoiding the thin and fat shots.
Randy
March 10, 2014
Paul WilsonRandy,
You really don’t have to hit the exact same spot of the carpet. In fact, you should not be thinking of hitting anything at all. If you are trying to hit the same spot on the carpet you are thinking about hitting. I would prefer you to hold the club in the air as you do your swing then you will be thinking of the positions and NOT about hitting anything. You need to be focusing on Point A (top of the backswing) and Point B Follow Through.
These are the spots you are trying to make perfect. In no way do you even care about impact. So as you so your swing make sure you are looking at yourself through tilted eyes. That tip is here:
Spine Angle Follow Through: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-eyes-tilted
There might be some idea in these tips too:
Topping: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-topping-golf-ball
Topping Fairway Woods: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-topping-fairway-woods/
The fat shot is you will too much weight on your back foot at impact.
Watch:
Fat While Staying Back: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-hanging-back-impact
Fat: https://ignitiongolf.com/fat-shots-cure
Once you go to the course you tee up the ball when you practice. As you get better lower the tee.
March 9, 2014
JuneBiggeI use the straightening of my right leg as the trigger to start the downswing. I just made a BIG discovery and want to check it out
with you. Even though I turn my left foot out a little as you suggest, I notices that when I straighten my right leg, that hip is pretty much facing forward. It almost gets in the way of my swing. Then, in an experiment, I straightened my right leg and at the same time tucked/turned/ pushed/threw my right hip behind the right one. I started the downswing with this version of the straightening of the right leg. All of a sudden, I got a fast swing while putting no arm effort into it.
I haven’t been consistent in aim but feel I have corrected a problem. What do think?
March 10, 2014
Paul WilsonJune,
Any trigger you use causes the others to happen. Choosing a trigger is a thought. I think about it with my right foot. If you think about it with the left left straightening that is fine so long as your hips turn and the weight comes off this back foot. So it sounds like this is happening for you. Keep doing it.
December 25, 2020
RobertEdwardsHi Paul
Merry Christmas to you and your family. I love your body swing and your tips on ignition golf. I am limited to swinging indoors and on good days outside but at home due to covid restrictions. I feel that this is actually helping in learning because I am not even tempted to worry about hitting the ball. When I do eventually get back to the range and course I m totally confident that my golf will improve dramatically. Thank you.
March 9, 2014
JuneBiggeOOPs SORRY – I meant my LEFT leg in the above post.
I am not sure where my answers will come. Where should I look?
March 10, 2014
PaulKwonI smiled when I saw this video today because this topic was exactly what I was thinking about yesterday.
Yesterday I compared my swing to a young pro (a lady pro because they have better swings) using V1 Golf and I could see that her hip at impact was much more open than mine. This despite my desperate attempts during last few months to move my hip…
I seem to have no problems moving my hip without the ball in front of me indoors but I just cannot do it with the ball in front or anywhere near me outdoors. I am just rushing the downswing and creating pulled shots or slices. So I have two problems – insufficient hip movement and stiff wrists.
What I will be trying at the next practice session is to actually spend the transition time between top of the swing and impact to slowly uncock my right hand as I shift my weight to put my thighs together. Hopefully this will prevent my arms from separating from the body and hitting the ball very early during the downswing.
March 10, 2014
Paul WilsonPaul,
You cannot do it with the ball because you are thinking of hitting the ball and you are not good at doing it. You should just be trying to let your arms be powerless if you are not specifically working on them by doing my roll over drill. By trying to uncock them along with the other stuff will not work because you only have .25 of a second from the top to impact. Also, you should not be thinking of shifting to start the downswing. You should be thinking of turning. The shift occurs on its own by you getting to my touch the legs position. So you no longer have to think about shifting. If you are thinking shift you are not thinking turn. What are you having trouble with? Turning. Why would you b thinking of shifting?
So either work on the release or the turn. I have tons of tips now on the roll over drill:
Drill – Smooth Wrist Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/smooth-wrist-release/
How to Release the Golf Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release
Then you need to be doing these drill nightly:
DRILL: Swing Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-off-ground
DRILL: Listen to Club Swinging: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-listen-to-club
DRILL: Swing Off Ground Variation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-variation-favorite-drill/
DRILL: My Favorite Drill
March 10, 2014
DavidCalvertLove this series very very good
March 10, 2014
Paul WilsonDavid,
Glad you like it. Thanks. Got to shoot some more.
March 10, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,It seems to me that most players don’t make an analogy between THE golf swing and other sport throwing movements ,such as tennis ,put throwing ,javelin throwing ,cricket ,baseball,throwing a punch when boxing ,fencing ,etc…
In all th
March 10, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
That is right. They don’t make this comparison and when they do talk about it they say it is nothing like other sports. It is just mind boggling what is out there.
March 10, 2014
HenryPaul,
I am using the early spring to work on technique before moving out to the course and playing. Saturday was specifically weight shift day and I was trying to push off with the right instep, turn my hips, shift the weight to the left and begin the down swing. I must have been doing something wrong because my right knee was slightly sore just to the left and behind the knee on Sunday. After viewing this video it seems I was staying a little flat footed and not lifting the toe just after the hip turns begins and the down swing begins. Bottom line I was twisting the knee. After a little ice all is well with the knee today but it did remind me I was not lifting my heel soon enough to let the hips turn. Besides working on the golf I will also drop a few pounds which may be the larger factor in the sore knee (:. “Old age is the most unexpected of things that can happen to a man” Trotsky
March 10, 2014
Paul WilsonHenry,
Yes, you were doing something wrong. This should not hurt your body in any way. Remember, this is the very same motion as throwing a ball. Do you hurt yourself throwing a ball. No. If you apply this same move to your swing it shouldn’t hurt either.
Watch:
It
March 11, 2014
Henry…perfect…just went outside with that swing thought in mind and it worked. Everything came together. So simple yet so hard when you have been doing it wrong for 40 years or so! Appreciate your patience Paul…
March 11, 2014
Paul WilsonHenry,
Good job. It really is simple but simple if difficult for most people.
March 14, 2014
LottaLiljegrenI just have to take a video of my swing very soon….We have had sunny days here in Sweden for a week now and I have been to the course about four times already!! I have surprised both my self and my playing partners with my swing compared to last season….!!! (no one knows how much I have struggled with practice during winter). Yesterday when playing 18 holes I actually lowered my hcp, on the first 18 hole round this season!!! It felt so easy!! Today I was back at aiming bad, going into bunkers and water and whatever I found that could make things difficult! But…I haven
March 14, 2014
Paul WilsonLotta,
That’s great news. I’m glad you listened to me and did the practice swings. I keep trying to tell people this but few listen.
Keep at it. In no time you will get used to your new swing on the course.