Over The Top – Back Elbow Below Lead Arm

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Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine. YouTube Channels: Paul Wilson Golf and Ignition Golf Tips. Please Join me on Google+

10 Responses to “Over The Top – Back Elbow Below Lead Arm”

  1. Paul
    I am visiting Vegas and stopped by bears best today. I saw you giving a lesson and did not want to bother you. Would have loved to meet you. That is one beautiful golf course
    Bill Coleman

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      October 17, 2019

      Paul Wilson


      That’s too bad. You should have come over. I always have time to say hi. Next time.

  2. This is very frustrating for me. I guarantee I am NOT hitting with my arms, I have many videos of myself. What I do is begin rotating the hips, but my right arm doesn’t naturally drop in the slot and you can see me coming over the top. If you don’t get in the slot, but rotate the hips/straighten left leg it will come over the top with zero swing of the arms.

  3. October 9, 2019


    I struggle too like MichaelMcKivigan above.

    It seems counter-intuitive that if you almost relax your arms so as not to use them, the elbow will not come down to the hip slightly in front of the pelvis bone to get “connected” to the body during the torso rotation and weight transfer to the front/left leg.

    It is almost like the swing thought is to get the elbow moving down with the hands flattening. Very confusing and frustrating to attempt to achieve.

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      October 17, 2019

      Paul Wilson


      This is simple physics. Mass (club) swinging around and axis (body). See it. If you turned an axis why would the mass move away from 90 degrees? I t wouldn’t/. 100% of the time it would move towards 90 degrees to the axis. 100% of the time.

      You can try to move the elbow down but you would be moving the mass before the axis. Plus, if you jam this into your side too much you slide int he downswing hitting pushes and push fades. Use physics. This repeats 100% of the time.

      2 Things Flatten the Plane: https://ignitiongolf.com/2-things-flatten-plane/
      Do Not Disturb The Mass: https://ignitiongolf.com/do-not-disturb-the-mass/

      • October 17, 2019


        Right on (as usual). Watched both linked videos. I think i am still “helping” the club by trying to steer it to the ball. I am working on getting the arms out of the swing and it has helped a LOT. I am just not 100% committed yet. It is is so hard to trust that the club will make good contact sending the ball in the direction intended. I will get there.

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    October 11, 2019


    I think because I do the rollover drill all the time my left forearm is turning over as well so when I applied to a shot, (which I shouldn’t) even though this keeps my wrist loose, I’m slicing the ball as usual.

    This new feeling is counterintuitive but if I feel like my left forearm is actually rolling towards me opposed to away from me, it’s allowing that slightly in the out swing with hardly any effort!

    Now I just focus on turning my belt buckle and the arms are really truly turning off and the ball take it off like a rocket!

    This is definitely the missing link. I’ve had two successful nine holes implementing this drill and the ball is taking off longer and straighter than ever before.
    I even shot a 38 on a par 35 nine hole!

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