Paul
I am visiting Vegas and stopped by bears best today. I saw you giving a lesson and did not want to bother you. Would have loved to meet you. That is one beautiful golf course
Regards
Bill Coleman
This is very frustrating for me. I guarantee I am NOT hitting with my arms, I have many videos of myself. What I do is begin rotating the hips, but my right arm doesn’t naturally drop in the slot and you can see me coming over the top. If you don’t get in the slot, but rotate the hips/straighten left leg it will come over the top with zero swing of the arms.
You need to know exactly how this works. Tilt left you will swing left. Tilt right you will hit it right. If you were hitting it left what do you need more of? You need more right tilt.
It seems counter-intuitive that if you almost relax your arms so as not to use them, the elbow will not come down to the hip slightly in front of the pelvis bone to get “connected” to the body during the torso rotation and weight transfer to the front/left leg.
It is almost like the swing thought is to get the elbow moving down with the hands flattening. Very confusing and frustrating to attempt to achieve.
This is simple physics. Mass (club) swinging around and axis (body). See it. If you turned an axis why would the mass move away from 90 degrees? I t wouldn’t/. 100% of the time it would move towards 90 degrees to the axis. 100% of the time.
You can try to move the elbow down but you would be moving the mass before the axis. Plus, if you jam this into your side too much you slide int he downswing hitting pushes and push fades. Use physics. This repeats 100% of the time.
Right on (as usual). Watched both linked videos. I think i am still “helping” the club by trying to steer it to the ball. I am working on getting the arms out of the swing and it has helped a LOT. I am just not 100% committed yet. It is is so hard to trust that the club will make good contact sending the ball in the direction intended. I will get there.
If a weak little kid hit can hit it over 200 yards they cannot be using their arms. So keep this in mind as you convince yourself to turn them off. Keep in mind also that I am not paddy caking it. I am using a ton of energy to spin my body. So although it looks like I’m not putting much into it I am really driving hard and fast with my legs and hips. Watch:
I think because I do the rollover drill all the time my left forearm is turning over as well so when I applied to a shot, (which I shouldn’t) even though this keeps my wrist loose, I’m slicing the ball as usual.
This new feeling is counterintuitive but if I feel like my left forearm is actually rolling towards me opposed to away from me, it’s allowing that slightly in the out swing with hardly any effort!
Now I just focus on turning my belt buckle and the arms are really truly turning off and the ball take it off like a rocket!
This is definitely the missing link. I’ve had two successful nine holes implementing this drill and the ball is taking off longer and straighter than ever before.
I even shot a 38 on a par 35 nine hole!
Nice. Glad to hear it. You have been rolling for a while now so you shouldn’t be slicing so maybe this was the missing piece. Great feeling hitting great shots and great top post good scores too! Nice one. Watch this:
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10 Responses to “Over The Top – Back Elbow Below Lead Arm”
October 8, 2019
williamcolemanPaul
I am visiting Vegas and stopped by bears best today. I saw you giving a lesson and did not want to bother you. Would have loved to meet you. That is one beautiful golf course
Regards
Bill Coleman
October 17, 2019
Paul WilsonBill,
That’s too bad. You should have come over. I always have time to say hi. Next time.
October 8, 2019
MichaelMcKiviganThis is very frustrating for me. I guarantee I am NOT hitting with my arms, I have many videos of myself. What I do is begin rotating the hips, but my right arm doesn’t naturally drop in the slot and you can see me coming over the top. If you don’t get in the slot, but rotate the hips/straighten left leg it will come over the top with zero swing of the arms.
October 17, 2019
Paul WilsonMichael,
You are leaning left in the downswing sending it over the top. You need to fire the lower but stay behind it as you do.
Watch:
Watch Back of The Golf Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-backside-golf-ball/
Another Way To Stay Behind It: https://ignitiongolf.com/another-way-to-stay-behind-it/
You need to know exactly how this works. Tilt left you will swing left. Tilt right you will hit it right. If you were hitting it left what do you need more of? You need more right tilt.
Watch:
Body Tilt – Left Right: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling/Stop Coming Over the Top: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-stop-over-the-top/
DRILL: Stop Coming Over The Top: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-coming-over-the-top/
Still Coming Over The Top – Shifting Too Soon: https://ignitiongolf.com/shifting-too-soon-forward-leg/
October 9, 2019
BretHopkinsI struggle too like MichaelMcKivigan above.
It seems counter-intuitive that if you almost relax your arms so as not to use them, the elbow will not come down to the hip slightly in front of the pelvis bone to get “connected” to the body during the torso rotation and weight transfer to the front/left leg.
It is almost like the swing thought is to get the elbow moving down with the hands flattening. Very confusing and frustrating to attempt to achieve.
October 17, 2019
Paul WilsonBret,
This is simple physics. Mass (club) swinging around and axis (body). See it. If you turned an axis why would the mass move away from 90 degrees? I t wouldn’t/. 100% of the time it would move towards 90 degrees to the axis. 100% of the time.
You can try to move the elbow down but you would be moving the mass before the axis. Plus, if you jam this into your side too much you slide int he downswing hitting pushes and push fades. Use physics. This repeats 100% of the time.
2 Things Flatten the Plane: https://ignitiongolf.com/2-things-flatten-plane/
Do Not Disturb The Mass: https://ignitiongolf.com/do-not-disturb-the-mass/
October 17, 2019
BretHopkinsRight on (as usual). Watched both linked videos. I think i am still “helping” the club by trying to steer it to the ball. I am working on getting the arms out of the swing and it has helped a LOT. I am just not 100% committed yet. It is is so hard to trust that the club will make good contact sending the ball in the direction intended. I will get there.
November 6, 2019
Paul WilsonBret,
Not sure I answered this.
If a weak little kid hit can hit it over 200 yards they cannot be using their arms. So keep this in mind as you convince yourself to turn them off. Keep in mind also that I am not paddy caking it. I am using a ton of energy to spin my body. So although it looks like I’m not putting much into it I am really driving hard and fast with my legs and hips. Watch:
It’s An Unmistakable Feeling In Your Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/unmistakable-feeling-legs/
Power: How I Got Power In My Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/power-dig-foot-in/
How Much Legs Should You Use To Power Your Swing?: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-how-much-legs/
October 11, 2019
JohnBensonI think because I do the rollover drill all the time my left forearm is turning over as well so when I applied to a shot, (which I shouldn’t) even though this keeps my wrist loose, I’m slicing the ball as usual.
This new feeling is counterintuitive but if I feel like my left forearm is actually rolling towards me opposed to away from me, it’s allowing that slightly in the out swing with hardly any effort!
Now I just focus on turning my belt buckle and the arms are really truly turning off and the ball take it off like a rocket!
This is definitely the missing link. I’ve had two successful nine holes implementing this drill and the ball is taking off longer and straighter than ever before.
I even shot a 38 on a par 35 nine hole!
October 17, 2019
Paul WilsonJohn,
Nice. Glad to hear it. You have been rolling for a while now so you shouldn’t be slicing so maybe this was the missing piece. Great feeling hitting great shots and great top post good scores too! Nice one. Watch this:
You Will Top It: https://ignitiongolf.com/you-will-top-it/
Greed Is NOT Good: https://ignitiongolf.com/greed-is-not-good/