Paul, I’m consistently hitting the ball on the heal of my irons and driver with shanks every twenty shots. Are heal/shanks caused by hitting over the top?
Paul, I have enjoyed discovering your teaching approach. It has very much impacted my golf positively. I say to friends I have the secret to golf, even to my instructor. He says “are you going to tell me?” And I say, you already know, it is what you have been trying to teach me for a decade but I just couldn’t take in. Your approach, and powerless arms has had massive impact (clubhead speed and distance) and for my 12 yo daughter too, now hitting 200 yards.
One thing I would ask for your help on, and which I am now fixing. I still saw a bit of OTT especially with longer clubs, coming from standing up in backdating, which I now know is that I am simply bringing club too far inside on backswing. With shorter clubs I get a great 1 plane swing, but with longer problems were arising.
I don’t think I saw in your bodyswing course anything to help me get it on plane, more upright, getting a steeper backswing (from which the flatter swing tips might then be useful).
Can you point me to any drills to assist? (I did see the drop club on back of neck, which has been useful, but any others?) This might help my daughter too 🙂
I play off 7, have been to 5.1, and shot a 4 under gross to win our club championship once … Even with my “improving game”!
You can but don’t over do it otherwise you may lose sight of the ball and/of hit the ground behind the ball because there isn’t enough room for the arc to clear. If you find yourself doing this just touch the legs better/faster in the downswing. This will stop too much tilt.
You’re right. I tried this at the driving range and was hitting behind the ball. First I tried choking down on the club which didn’t work great. Then I tried concentrating on turning my hips which worked much better. It often take me time to get the hip turn going when I play.
Right, fat shots are too much weight on the back foot through impact. If you are trying to tilt more than you are used to you will hit the ground behind the ball. To fix it you do the touch the legs position better. Then you won’t be stuck on the back foot. Simple.
If you take it back inside you are already out of position. From set up I am just moving the Y back (between club and arms) with my shoulder coil. Typically, people are pulling it back with their hands or rolling the hands. If so, it will go inside every time.
Thanks. Just thought it might get people thinking about it and working on it. This is a big one. This is what got my game to a whole new level many years ago.
Paul, this cured my over the top since I got hurt last year I have not been able to get an inside-swing and looking behind the ball is a fantastic tip. I do feel like I’m losing power but my swing speed radar says otherwise lol, thanks again!
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14 Responses to “Over The Top – Body Tilt”
October 29, 2019
ChrisStancilPaul, I’m consistently hitting the ball on the heal of my irons and driver with shanks every twenty shots. Are heal/shanks caused by hitting over the top?
Thanks Chris
November 4, 2019
Paul WilsonChris,
Easy to fix:
Why You Shank It: https://ignitiongolf.com/why-you-shank-it/
How To Cure the Shanks: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-shanks/
Heeling = You are hitting with the arms.
A New Way To Get The Taller Setup: https://ignitiongolf.com/new-way-taller-setup/
Stand Tall with Short Clubs: https://ignitiongolf.com/stand-tall-short-clubs/
October 29, 2019
JohnPillitteriPaul
I’m staying back, feeling like I’m swinging from the inside. But now I’m hitting my irons fat. Any suggestions?
Thanks
John
November 4, 2019
Paul WilsonJohn,
Simple:
Fat: https://ignitiongolf.com/fat-shots-cure/
Stop Fat Shots When Working On Moving Your Head: https://ignitiongolf.com/fat-shots-moving-your-head/
October 29, 2019
MattDuffyPaul, I have enjoyed discovering your teaching approach. It has very much impacted my golf positively. I say to friends I have the secret to golf, even to my instructor. He says “are you going to tell me?” And I say, you already know, it is what you have been trying to teach me for a decade but I just couldn’t take in. Your approach, and powerless arms has had massive impact (clubhead speed and distance) and for my 12 yo daughter too, now hitting 200 yards.
One thing I would ask for your help on, and which I am now fixing. I still saw a bit of OTT especially with longer clubs, coming from standing up in backdating, which I now know is that I am simply bringing club too far inside on backswing. With shorter clubs I get a great 1 plane swing, but with longer problems were arising.
I don’t think I saw in your bodyswing course anything to help me get it on plane, more upright, getting a steeper backswing (from which the flatter swing tips might then be useful).
Can you point me to any drills to assist? (I did see the drop club on back of neck, which has been useful, but any others?) This might help my daughter too 🙂
I play off 7, have been to 5.1, and shot a 4 under gross to win our club championship once … Even with my “improving game”!
Thanks Paul.
October 30, 2019
arthurersnerIs it good to tilt the upper body bac slightly at the beginning of the backswing or will that cause other problems such as reverse pivot? Thanks, Art
November 4, 2019
Paul WilsonArt,
You can but don’t over do it otherwise you may lose sight of the ball and/of hit the ground behind the ball because there isn’t enough room for the arc to clear. If you find yourself doing this just touch the legs better/faster in the downswing. This will stop too much tilt.
November 4, 2019
arthurersnerYou’re right. I tried this at the driving range and was hitting behind the ball. First I tried choking down on the club which didn’t work great. Then I tried concentrating on turning my hips which worked much better. It often take me time to get the hip turn going when I play.
November 5, 2019
Paul WilsonArthur,
Right, fat shots are too much weight on the back foot through impact. If you are trying to tilt more than you are used to you will hit the ground behind the ball. To fix it you do the touch the legs position better. Then you won’t be stuck on the back foot. Simple.
November 4, 2019
Paul WilsonMatt,
Great job. I lover hearing it. So glad your daughter is getting it too. She will be a player in the very near future.
To stop the inside, you need to work a little on the takeaway. Then as you get to 3/4 back you need to lift it up. I explain it in this tip:
Lead Arm Rides Up: https://ignitiongolf.com/lead-arm-rides-up/
If you take it back inside you are already out of position. From set up I am just moving the Y back (between club and arms) with my shoulder coil. Typically, people are pulling it back with their hands or rolling the hands. If so, it will go inside every time.
Match The Club To The Stick Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/match-club-stick/
DRILL: Takeaway and Up: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-takeaway-and-up/
DRILL: Takeaway Butt First: https://ignitiongolf.com/one-piece-takeaway-drill/
Tons more here:
https://ignitiongolf.com/?s=takeaway
Takeaway:
October 30, 2019
EdwardAmosPaul, I’m loving your “Over the Top Series”. Please keep it going! Ed
November 4, 2019
Paul WilsonEd,
Thanks. Just thought it might get people thinking about it and working on it. This is a big one. This is what got my game to a whole new level many years ago.
November 8, 2019
MikeMullanPaul, this cured my over the top since I got hurt last year I have not been able to get an inside-swing and looking behind the ball is a fantastic tip. I do feel like I’m losing power but my swing speed radar says otherwise lol, thanks again!
November 13, 2019
Paul WilsonMike,
Great. That over the top is not good. Keep at it.