What do you feel in the right shoulder at the release point? when I do the butt to butt drill, I feel a tug or jerk in my shoulder when the club is released.
In no way am I thinking of the shoulders through and past impact. The shoulders are uncoiling due to the use of the lower body. If you have never released the club and allowed it to re-hinge it may feel different. I suspect this is what is happening because I just tried it and I felt the right shoulder too. So long and you are seeing the butt and getting the club to release I would say to keep doing it.
Paul:when releasing the clubhead at the impact point ,with your wrists loose ,do you consciously endeavour to have the clubhead going down the Line of Play,towards the TARGET,a foot or so after impact ,or do you just let it go and rotate towards your left shoulder and neck ?
I never try to get the club going down the line because this is impossible to do. I know various people said they did that including Byron Nelson. in no way is this what actually happens. The club makes and arc. If it makes arc you should not be trying to make it go straight. Just allow the forces to act on the mass. The mass swings around and axis and will do so every time if undisturbed. Let it go so it physically touches your head exactly parallel to your ears. If it is not going there on its own then make it go there by physically setting it. Once you do it enough it will go there on its own.
If you are falling off balance you need to slow down and swing at a speed that you can hit the positions. Once you get the position you then speed up the lower body to gain more power without falling out of balance.
To gain balance in the backswing you need to take it back slower, feel the coil and load 80% of you weight into the back instep at the top of the backswing. Once coil you need to turn and shift getting to my “Touch the Legs” position. Again, you may need to slow down until you are good at hitting this position. Hopefully by now you know this position. If you do, then take it super slow. Throw balls over and getting to this ending point. Once you do you hold it and check it.
So swinging too hard is the main cause. Going back too fast is another. A wide stance is another as well as keeping your head too still going back. So work on these things:
Paul,
Great reminders. I noticed in the side-on pictures, that as a consequence of the right angles between arms and body, that the right arm is at a straight right angle coming down, which then switches over to the left (as a function of the shift of weight from right foot to left, I suppose) coming through the swing. It made me wonder if you couldn’t also think of throwing your left hand (with your body of course) just ahead of the ball from the top of the backswing, as a drill that would also let the arms straighten.
Keep ’em coming, and we will make it through this winter yet. 4 below this morning.
Keith
I really don’t want you thinking hands/arms at the start of the downswing. They move so fast relative to the legs and hips. Just keep them turned off and initiate with a quick rotation of the body and they will be ahead of the arms coming down. If they get ahead the club will flatten in the downswing.
I was hunting around for tips/drills to practice in order to try to cure blocking shots. Blocking them right. So they are high and struck solid and not slicing but are starting (and staying) right. Have I found a good top/drill for this here or do you have some other recs? Thank you!
Blocking would be a push so yes this tip would help. If you are pushing you are most likely sliding. This is tilting your body too much behind the ball in the downswing so your path swings too much from the inside. You need to turn more in the downswing. To do this you have to cure your slide.
Hi Paul;
This is a major issue in my swing. When I allow the club to release, I hit a pull. My alignment is correct so I know that’s not the issue. Should I consciously be turning my hands over or should this happen naturally thru impact to past the ball?
My roll over drill is a drill. You do it until you do not have slice spin on your shots. At this point you forget about rolling it. You turn your focus onto the lower body rotation to straighten it out. Of course you would be pulling it if you purposely trying to release. Again, it is a drill not reality. I want your arms powerless but waiting for you to do this could take forever. So I have a drill that will get you squaring/closing the face on purpose. If you roll it and close the face it is no longer open and you will no longer slice it. GREAT! No you can turn the arms off and NEVER think about releasing it again.
Hi Paul;
I don’t need this to cure a slice. It just feels more solid without feeling my arms in the swing & giving me better extension as well as more distance. Effortless power.
I am really confident with this swing with my short irons 7-wedge, but I struggle a little with it on the longer irons. Right now I cannot hit my driver with any confidence. I have always hit a slice with it and now when I try to release my wrists the I just hit a straight pull.
Is this normal for someone who is trying to get rid of their slice.
You are not getting the slice fix. You are seeing a pull as a bad thing when this is a great thing. Pull hooks would be better though. You are fixing a slice in 2 stages. Fix the spin first by rolling the wrists early. If you are hooking it consistently you are no longer a slicer. Once you can so this you then move on to body rotation to straighten it out.
Get this first then switch your thought to my touch the legs position. If you slice your first shot when switching to legs you have not hooked enough shots yet. If you are thinking legs and you pull hook it this is great. This means I got you to think about your legs and you did not lock the wrists back up. Just fire the lower body sooner and you will hit it dead straight. This takes me literally minutes to fix someone’s slice.
Long Irons – you are trying to hit them too hard. Swing them at 50% to allow them to square.
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18 Responses to “What Happens If You Hold On Too Long Through Impact?”
November 6, 2013
TomThanks Paul – excellent, great help for me!
November 6, 2013
Paul WilsonTom,
Glad you liked it. Thanks.
November 30, 2013
WaltZaluskiWhat do you feel in the right shoulder at the release point? when I do the butt to butt drill, I feel a tug or jerk in my shoulder when the club is released.
December 1, 2013
Paul WilsonWalt,
In no way am I thinking of the shoulders through and past impact. The shoulders are uncoiling due to the use of the lower body. If you have never released the club and allowed it to re-hinge it may feel different. I suspect this is what is happening because I just tried it and I felt the right shoulder too. So long and you are seeing the butt and getting the club to release I would say to keep doing it.
November 30, 2013
RaymondCHASTELPaul:when releasing the clubhead at the impact point ,with your wrists loose ,do you consciously endeavour to have the clubhead going down the Line of Play,towards the TARGET,a foot or so after impact ,or do you just let it go and rotate towards your left shoulder and neck ?
December 1, 2013
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I never try to get the club going down the line because this is impossible to do. I know various people said they did that including Byron Nelson. in no way is this what actually happens. The club makes and arc. If it makes arc you should not be trying to make it go straight. Just allow the forces to act on the mass. The mass swings around and axis and will do so every time if undisturbed. Let it go so it physically touches your head exactly parallel to your ears. If it is not going there on its own then make it go there by physically setting it. Once you do it enough it will go there on its own.
December 3, 2013
nevgrimshawThanks Paul What is the best drill for maintaining balance through the full swing please
December 4, 2013
Paul WilsonNeville,
If you are falling off balance you need to slow down and swing at a speed that you can hit the positions. Once you get the position you then speed up the lower body to gain more power without falling out of balance.
To gain balance in the backswing you need to take it back slower, feel the coil and load 80% of you weight into the back instep at the top of the backswing. Once coil you need to turn and shift getting to my “Touch the Legs” position. Again, you may need to slow down until you are good at hitting this position. Hopefully by now you know this position. If you do, then take it super slow. Throw balls over and getting to this ending point. Once you do you hold it and check it.
So swinging too hard is the main cause. Going back too fast is another. A wide stance is another as well as keeping your head too still going back. So work on these things:
Uncoil 1: https://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil
Uncoil 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil-follow-up
Legs Touching: https://ignitiongolf.com/touch-knees
Flex Right Knee: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-back-knee
Drills:
Lean On Club to Touch Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lean-on-club
It
December 6, 2013
KeithPaul,
Great reminders. I noticed in the side-on pictures, that as a consequence of the right angles between arms and body, that the right arm is at a straight right angle coming down, which then switches over to the left (as a function of the shift of weight from right foot to left, I suppose) coming through the swing. It made me wonder if you couldn’t also think of throwing your left hand (with your body of course) just ahead of the ball from the top of the backswing, as a drill that would also let the arms straighten.
Keep ’em coming, and we will make it through this winter yet. 4 below this morning.
Keith
December 6, 2013
Paul WilsonKetih,
Glad you liked it. Thanks.
I really don’t want you thinking hands/arms at the start of the downswing. They move so fast relative to the legs and hips. Just keep them turned off and initiate with a quick rotation of the body and they will be ahead of the arms coming down. If they get ahead the club will flatten in the downswing.
August 22, 2014
CraigSmithHi Paul,
I was hunting around for tips/drills to practice in order to try to cure blocking shots. Blocking them right. So they are high and struck solid and not slicing but are starting (and staying) right. Have I found a good top/drill for this here or do you have some other recs? Thank you!
August 22, 2014
Paul WilsonCraig,
Blocking would be a push so yes this tip would help. If you are pushing you are most likely sliding. This is tilting your body too much behind the ball in the downswing so your path swings too much from the inside. You need to turn more in the downswing. To do this you have to cure your slide.
Watch:
Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-slide
You Better Check This Especially If You Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/slide-turn-foot-out/
Easy Way To Cure A Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/easy-way-cure-slide/
August 23, 2014
CraigSmithThanks Paul. I’ll work on these. I appreciate your help. -Craig
October 8, 2014
MichaelRodrickHi Paul;
This is a major issue in my swing. When I allow the club to release, I hit a pull. My alignment is correct so I know that’s not the issue. Should I consciously be turning my hands over or should this happen naturally thru impact to past the ball?
October 8, 2014
Paul WilsonMicheal,
My roll over drill is a drill. You do it until you do not have slice spin on your shots. At this point you forget about rolling it. You turn your focus onto the lower body rotation to straighten it out. Of course you would be pulling it if you purposely trying to release. Again, it is a drill not reality. I want your arms powerless but waiting for you to do this could take forever. So I have a drill that will get you squaring/closing the face on purpose. If you roll it and close the face it is no longer open and you will no longer slice it. GREAT! No you can turn the arms off and NEVER think about releasing it again.
Watch:
DRILL: Smooth Wrist Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/smooth-wrist-release/
Here are the tips to cure a pull:
Pull: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulled-shot
Pull 2 (expanding on it): https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling
Stop Coming Over the Top: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-stop-over-the-top/
Remembering How Cure Pulled Shots: https://ignitiongolf.com/remembering-cure-pulled-shots/
Body Tilt – Left Right: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling
October 9, 2014
MichaelRodrickHi Paul;
I don’t need this to cure a slice. It just feels more solid without feeling my arms in the swing & giving me better extension as well as more distance. Effortless power.
April 6, 2015
TonyMerrellPaul,
Great lessons and tools.
I am really confident with this swing with my short irons 7-wedge, but I struggle a little with it on the longer irons. Right now I cannot hit my driver with any confidence. I have always hit a slice with it and now when I try to release my wrists the I just hit a straight pull.
Is this normal for someone who is trying to get rid of their slice.
April 7, 2015
Paul WilsonTony,
Glad you like them.
You are not getting the slice fix. You are seeing a pull as a bad thing when this is a great thing. Pull hooks would be better though. You are fixing a slice in 2 stages. Fix the spin first by rolling the wrists early. If you are hooking it consistently you are no longer a slicer. Once you can so this you then move on to body rotation to straighten it out.
So you start here:
DRILL: 3 Ways To Roll It Over: https://ignitiongolf.com/3-ways-to-roll/
Get this first then switch your thought to my touch the legs position. If you slice your first shot when switching to legs you have not hooked enough shots yet. If you are thinking legs and you pull hook it this is great. This means I got you to think about your legs and you did not lock the wrists back up. Just fire the lower body sooner and you will hit it dead straight. This takes me literally minutes to fix someone’s slice.
Long Irons – you are trying to hit them too hard. Swing them at 50% to allow them to square.