Hi Paul Expecting 25 cm snow up here in east coast Canada no outdoor golf for a while. Working on backswing position in mirror ,watched you backswing tips ,no problem getting to the 1/2 way back position usining just shoulder turn, the problem is as i shoulder turn into the 3/4 position and wrist start hinging ,i find when i check it on video a line drawn from butt of club is always outside the ball target line (club flatter than it should be) when i conciously upright the club plane so it points at or slightly inside the ball target line it feels like i using my wrists to do so rather than just turning shoulders. I feel like i am in the correct 1/2 position , should i keep manipulating the club so butt points on or just inside ball target line until it starts to feel comfortable, your 3/4 backswing tip makes it look so easy.A ny suggestions. Thanks
To hit the position you need to feel the arms. You cannot do it by making them powerless. So you set the position until you have trained it to go there then you turn them off and it will go there on its own. This one is very tricky. Just back your rear end into a wall. As you do practice swings the club should ride up the wall not hit it. This way you don’t have to think too much about it. Put a headcover on your iron so you don’t scratch it up. Then do nightly practice swings. In a month you’ll have it.
I live on the French RIVIERA ,we never have snow over here ,and we can play all year around on the Course without Winter greens .
I never go to the practise range ,I find it utterly useless ,the way you play on the range has nothing to do with “real golf “on the course .Before BEN HOGAN ,there were no practise ranges ,and golfers “practised “very seldom .That being said ,I do practise at home ,but without hitting a golf ball. I just “pretend “there is a golf ball on my mat (I put one down to make sure I look at it where it should be )and I just swing the golf clubs in front of a mirror with the Swing Speed radar to check the modifications to the speed brought by the “adjustments “I make to my swing .I have the alignement rods there of course and the Highway cone to control the backswing .It does work for me .
I nearly always hit the ball very straight ,my sole problem,is to get it far enough from the tee and from the fairway ,so my major preoccupation is the Clubhead swing speed .Putting and chipping ,I train in my basement -I have a 8 m “welling mat “.I don’t think that breaking down the swing in various pieces helps me ,I try to feel the swing as a complete flowing entity .
Am I wrong and what should I do to improve more ?
I am aready playing to a 7 Handicap at age 78 so great improvements to my are no longer possible at my age !!!
If you are a 7 hdcp and you are shooting in the 70’s you already have a good swing. You should always know the positions and work on them no matter what level you are at. In your case you will be making them a little better. Other people will have to learn the actual position. Just keep doing what you are doing.
Paul great drill one question on it, am i correct that you use shoulder turn to reach arm parallel to ground position 1/2 way back, then as it touchs wall the wrists start to cock, arms start to lift ,as club headstarts to ride up wall you finish the shoulder turn. tried the drill easy to get in proper position. Thanks
You are turning your shoulders until the shaft is parallel to the ground. If you are up against a wall with your rear end the clubshaft would not be touching the wall at 1/2 way back it would be parallel to the wall. Then you are lifting the club up. As it gets to the 3/4 back position the head will scrape the wall briefly. Then it will continue to the top. The wrist will have fully hinged and the clubshaft will again be parallel to the wall. The shoulders are fully turned at this point at well. Give it a try again. If you are touching the wall at 1/2 way back the club is too far inside.
Hi Paul Thanks for the clarification ,Great drill , really gets you in the proper positions ,feel a little strange at this point,compared to my old swing,st least i now know the proper positions on backswing and what they should feel like. thanks
I usually go to the range on Sundays, once a week. After watching this, I have a question. Is it ok, as far as my progression, to maybe once a month when I go to the range, swing ALL of my clubs? Before seeing this today, when I go to the range I do the following. I hit about 7 balls with each club. and then whatever balls are left I hit driver with (usually about 20). For me right now, that’s SW-PW-9-8-7-6-5-4-Driver. I really don’t care abut distance now, (even though it’s awesome when I hit nice ones) but I ask myself how many of these shots are playable if I was on a course right now? Then I write down the results. During the week, I do my practice swings and certain drills pending on what I’m working on. I have a bad habit of wanting to do too many things, so recently I told myself for this month, work on wrists and release. But I do like to play my “Lucky 7s” game to see if the weekly practice swings/drills are showing up at the range. Am I stunting my growth by playing this range game or are you ok with it?
You do not need to swing all of your clubs. You need to build a golf swing that works. You only have one swing. As you move to other clubs you still do this swing. The best thing to be doing is warming up with the shorter clubs. Start with SW then move to PW or 9 iron. Then get to 7 or 6 irons and spend the bulk of your time with these clubs working on your swing positions. After you have done this you can move around and hit a few balls with the other clubs saving driver more to the end of the session.
Hitting all of these different clubs is breaking focus from the consistency and repeatability you are after. Think about it. You get in the groove. Then you stop and pick up another club. This is a different loft, look and length. Now you need to get used to hit. This takes time. You hit a shot or two then you do it all again. In that same span of time you could have repeated more swing with the mid iron ingraining it even more. So stay focused on learning as I suggest. This way you will develop a great swing fast.
Got it. A little warm up with SW and 9 iron, then spending solid time with the 7 iron. I’ll save the last 15 or so for Driver. Thank you for the reply, I needed to hear that.
I DO MOST OF MY PRACTISE WITH A SEVEN IRON 130 PLUS 10 YARD OF ROLL ON A DRIER COURSE I BOUGHT A 300 SC AND ONLY SWING AT 65 TO 70 MPH 65 HAS THE MOST CONTROL PRETTY MUCH CAN P LACE THE BALL ON TARGET ITS BEEN A WORK FOR OVER A YEAR ALWAYS JUMPING AHEAD IN MY TECHNIQUE BECAUSE OF OLD HABITS ENGRAINED AFTER 56 YEAYS 0F HITING A BALL I AM NOW 72 BIRTHDAY IS IN SEPTEMBER LOST A LOT OF POWER IN MY SHOTS AND I TRIED SLOWING. DOWN AND NOT TO RUSH MY SHOTS NO TROUBLE GETTING OFF THE TEE CONSISTENTLY AT220YARDS GETTING MY DOWNSWING THOUGHT IS. DIFFICULT THE ONLY THING I VE GOT BREAKING MY WRIST AT THE TOP ITS LIKE A SIGNAL TO ME TO TOUGH THE LEG WITH A FOLLOW TROU TO FINSH SHOT 76 T0DAY ON A 66 PAR CORSE IMPROVING BUT still needs work its really difficult to change but I love your technique and instruction
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12 Responses to “How To Work On It”
March 18, 2013
barrybowerHi Paul Expecting 25 cm snow up here in east coast Canada no outdoor golf for a while. Working on backswing position in mirror ,watched you backswing tips ,no problem getting to the 1/2 way back position usining just shoulder turn, the problem is as i shoulder turn into the 3/4 position and wrist start hinging ,i find when i check it on video a line drawn from butt of club is always outside the ball target line (club flatter than it should be) when i conciously upright the club plane so it points at or slightly inside the ball target line it feels like i using my wrists to do so rather than just turning shoulders. I feel like i am in the correct 1/2 position , should i keep manipulating the club so butt points on or just inside ball target line until it starts to feel comfortable, your 3/4 backswing tip makes it look so easy.A ny suggestions. Thanks
March 18, 2013
Paul WilsonBarry,
To hit the position you need to feel the arms. You cannot do it by making them powerless. So you set the position until you have trained it to go there then you turn them off and it will go there on its own. This one is very tricky. Just back your rear end into a wall. As you do practice swings the club should ride up the wall not hit it. This way you don’t have to think too much about it. Put a headcover on your iron so you don’t scratch it up. Then do nightly practice swings. In a month you’ll have it.
March 18, 2013
RaymondCHASTELI live on the French RIVIERA ,we never have snow over here ,and we can play all year around on the Course without Winter greens .
I never go to the practise range ,I find it utterly useless ,the way you play on the range has nothing to do with “real golf “on the course .Before BEN HOGAN ,there were no practise ranges ,and golfers “practised “very seldom .That being said ,I do practise at home ,but without hitting a golf ball. I just “pretend “there is a golf ball on my mat (I put one down to make sure I look at it where it should be )and I just swing the golf clubs in front of a mirror with the Swing Speed radar to check the modifications to the speed brought by the “adjustments “I make to my swing .I have the alignement rods there of course and the Highway cone to control the backswing .It does work for me .
I nearly always hit the ball very straight ,my sole problem,is to get it far enough from the tee and from the fairway ,so my major preoccupation is the Clubhead swing speed .Putting and chipping ,I train in my basement -I have a 8 m “welling mat “.I don’t think that breaking down the swing in various pieces helps me ,I try to feel the swing as a complete flowing entity .
Am I wrong and what should I do to improve more ?
I am aready playing to a 7 Handicap at age 78 so great improvements to my are no longer possible at my age !!!
March 18, 2013
Paul WilsonRaymond,
If you are a 7 hdcp and you are shooting in the 70’s you already have a good swing. You should always know the positions and work on them no matter what level you are at. In your case you will be making them a little better. Other people will have to learn the actual position. Just keep doing what you are doing.
March 18, 2013
barrybowerPaul great drill one question on it, am i correct that you use shoulder turn to reach arm parallel to ground position 1/2 way back, then as it touchs wall the wrists start to cock, arms start to lift ,as club headstarts to ride up wall you finish the shoulder turn. tried the drill easy to get in proper position. Thanks
March 18, 2013
Paul WilsonBarry,
You are turning your shoulders until the shaft is parallel to the ground. If you are up against a wall with your rear end the clubshaft would not be touching the wall at 1/2 way back it would be parallel to the wall. Then you are lifting the club up. As it gets to the 3/4 back position the head will scrape the wall briefly. Then it will continue to the top. The wrist will have fully hinged and the clubshaft will again be parallel to the wall. The shoulders are fully turned at this point at well. Give it a try again. If you are touching the wall at 1/2 way back the club is too far inside.
March 19, 2013
barrybowerHi Paul Thanks for the clarification ,Great drill , really gets you in the proper positions ,feel a little strange at this point,compared to my old swing,st least i now know the proper positions on backswing and what they should feel like. thanks
July 21, 2013
LANCEI usually go to the range on Sundays, once a week. After watching this, I have a question. Is it ok, as far as my progression, to maybe once a month when I go to the range, swing ALL of my clubs? Before seeing this today, when I go to the range I do the following. I hit about 7 balls with each club. and then whatever balls are left I hit driver with (usually about 20). For me right now, that’s SW-PW-9-8-7-6-5-4-Driver. I really don’t care abut distance now, (even though it’s awesome when I hit nice ones) but I ask myself how many of these shots are playable if I was on a course right now? Then I write down the results. During the week, I do my practice swings and certain drills pending on what I’m working on. I have a bad habit of wanting to do too many things, so recently I told myself for this month, work on wrists and release. But I do like to play my “Lucky 7s” game to see if the weekly practice swings/drills are showing up at the range. Am I stunting my growth by playing this range game or are you ok with it?
Still swingin’,
Lance
July 21, 2013
Paul WilsonLance,
You do not need to swing all of your clubs. You need to build a golf swing that works. You only have one swing. As you move to other clubs you still do this swing. The best thing to be doing is warming up with the shorter clubs. Start with SW then move to PW or 9 iron. Then get to 7 or 6 irons and spend the bulk of your time with these clubs working on your swing positions. After you have done this you can move around and hit a few balls with the other clubs saving driver more to the end of the session.
Hitting all of these different clubs is breaking focus from the consistency and repeatability you are after. Think about it. You get in the groove. Then you stop and pick up another club. This is a different loft, look and length. Now you need to get used to hit. This takes time. You hit a shot or two then you do it all again. In that same span of time you could have repeated more swing with the mid iron ingraining it even more. So stay focused on learning as I suggest. This way you will develop a great swing fast.
July 22, 2013
LANCEGot it. A little warm up with SW and 9 iron, then spending solid time with the 7 iron. I’ll save the last 15 or so for Driver. Thank you for the reply, I needed to hear that.
Still swingin’,
Lance
June 12, 2020
JohnHillI DO MOST OF MY PRACTISE WITH A SEVEN IRON 130 PLUS 10 YARD OF ROLL ON A DRIER COURSE I BOUGHT A 300 SC AND ONLY SWING AT 65 TO 70 MPH 65 HAS THE MOST CONTROL PRETTY MUCH CAN P LACE THE BALL ON TARGET ITS BEEN A WORK FOR OVER A YEAR ALWAYS JUMPING AHEAD IN MY TECHNIQUE BECAUSE OF OLD HABITS ENGRAINED AFTER 56 YEAYS 0F HITING A BALL I AM NOW 72 BIRTHDAY IS IN SEPTEMBER LOST A LOT OF POWER IN MY SHOTS AND I TRIED SLOWING. DOWN AND NOT TO RUSH MY SHOTS NO TROUBLE GETTING OFF THE TEE CONSISTENTLY AT220YARDS GETTING MY DOWNSWING THOUGHT IS. DIFFICULT THE ONLY THING I VE GOT BREAKING MY WRIST AT THE TOP ITS LIKE A SIGNAL TO ME TO TOUGH THE LEG WITH A FOLLOW TROU TO FINSH SHOT 76 T0DAY ON A 66 PAR CORSE IMPROVING BUT still needs work its really difficult to change but I love your technique and instruction
June 13, 2020
Paul WilsonKeep up the good work!!