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Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine.
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December 26, 2012
HI Paul Always was a slicer,since going to your method , have gotten rid of slice ,now drawing or hooking the ball 100% of time,odd push. working on minimizing hooks. i see your point ,when it hooks it really hooks. took me 6 months to achieve this, the 0% arms feeling just clicked in recently,hit some of the best, staightest shots i have ever hit swinging the easiest i ever swung. Just recently started to hit shots consistenly ,draws with occasional hooks. My question is , should i start trying to incorporate the fade shot now or still work on making the draw more ingrained( this consistency has only been around for the last 5 rounds of golf) . great drills .try them all.
Work on hitting it somewhat straight for a little longer. I just think you have eliminated the slice long enough yet. It will become clear when you have enough control to start fading it.
Hi Paul and Merry Christmas! After watching the tip I am trying not to over analyze and hope I didn’t miss what I am asking. When you line up a little left with the club face at your target, do you still release the club with loose wrists as in our previous tips?
Merry Christmas to you too.
Yes, you do your normal swing. The ball is only fading because you pre-set the face open not because you are changing your swing.
more shots to learn…still struggling with straight shots! I have not started to imagine either draw or fade in my play yet! But the fact is that I often have the ball way out left….Should I try to control that by learning to fade the ball instead? Or should I just stay with having consistency at the straight shots? Merry X-mas!
This means you should not be working on this tip. Just refer to in in the future once you are ready. Keep working on hitting it somewhat straight.
If you are pulling it refer to these 2 tips:
Pull 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling
Paul, i’m not yet with the draw but getting closer after having gained tons of distance with your method. Still practicing releasing. And this is my question: does the fade loose a lot of distance with the driver? I’m using it for the greens since I don’t need the extra distance any more, but I’m scared the fade brings back the slice and the short hits!
I, too, am wondering whether the ball will fade if one is releasing his wrists. Until I recently learned (thanks to you) WHY I was fading/slicing the ball, I didn’t know what to practice to solve the problem. Releasing the wrists drills have helped tremendously. I am not drawing, hooking, or fading, but very rarely slicing. The light at the end of the tunnel is very bright. The thought of “trying” to fade the ball scares me now. Don’t want the ghosts of golf swings past to return.
BTW, I expect to cut my 13.6 HC in half within a year thanks to you!
Yes the ball will fade because you are pre-setting the face open relative to your stance. You are doing your normal golf swing. The set up changes make it fade.
Don’t work on the fade now. Just keep working on your overall swing. You will know when it’s time to fade it in the future.
I hope you do cut your hdcp in half. It is easily doable with a little work on the right things (powerless arms/body rotation).
When I Square up on the ball (w/driver especially)and attempt to draw or if it just goes straight I get 20-30yds more carry then when I fade it,Even w/pw.9i,8i,sw I’m a club longer than when I fade.Why is this?
This is because when you are hitting your draw you are de-lofting the club plus you are releasing it properly. When fading the face is more open and you are holding off the release a little so it does not hook. The fade as I suggest is doing your normal golf swing (clubface releasing as it normally would). The ball is only fading due to the setup changes not because you are changing your swing.
Glad you liked it. Thanks.
Paul What about offset drivers eg 1,2 degree open could you just line up square to target.
December 28, 2012
No then you will hit the ball right. If you are fading you need to start the ball left. So you could line up straight left a little. IF the face is square to the target it should fade back.
December 27, 2012
Happy New Year and all of the best in 2013. Thanks for all the great tips.SJP
Sam, Thank you very much. Happy New Year to you too!
When I setup left with face open the grip/handle wants to move forward away from neutral position. Is that correct or does hands and grip stay neutral ans just the face is turned to intended target line?
I set the face at the target and take the stance left. Then I do my grip in whatever position the club is resting in. Try it this way first. If this does not work try the other way but I think doing it this way will slice it because it only takes a couple of degrees open to get the ball fading.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY 2013 TO YOU TOO PAUL.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too!
Lee Trevino said “You can talk to a fade but, a hook won’t listen”. Put another way, the draw spin makes the ball run, the fade spin restricts roll so the ball stops sooner. With a draw or hook the ball goes deeper into trouble.
I used to have a little draw or straight shot, I guess my wrists are not as free now so, the fade happens more easily.
Yes, Trevino said this and of course he was one of the best ball strikers ever. I like the fact that you don’t have to practice as much to hit this shot.
January 4, 2013
I play all my golf on links courses i changed from draw to fade but am getting fustrated with my new fade, lack of distance but is fantastic with iron shots onto greens!
Should i revert back to draw with the driver?
I did use to get into trouble sometimes with draw with the driver, the fade keeps me on fairway but in windy conditions into a 20mph wind the fade goes nowhere! So is the fade still the shot with the driver on a links course.
I am a 6 handicapper.
January 5, 2013
I would be working on the wrist release to make sure they are not tightening too much resulting in holding the face open too much. Remember, the fade should only be occurring because of the setup changes not because you are changing your swing in any way. So do the roll over drill (in practice swings only) with the wrists before you hit your shots and as you are practicing with the thought that you are going to keep the wrists loose. Then take your fade set up with the body slightly left of target (left side of the fairway with the face down the middle).
Also, make sure you set up alignment sticks on the range and practice knowing that you are not aligned for too much of a fade. Give this a try first.
Finally, you can always try to hit the ball straight. This is what I do with the tendency to have the ball fall right. This way the wind is not an issue.
You can find the roll over drill in these tips:
Manually Square the Clubface: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-clubface
Manually Square the Clubface (Follow Up): https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-face-follow-up
January 8, 2013
Yes i was aiming now too far left!!
Thanks for your help great website
I thought so. Glad we caught it.
January 9, 2013
Please can you confirm that i bring the club back as normal (not outside the line) BUT on the downswing i swing to the left along the line of my feet?!
In either of these shots you are doing your normal golf swing. You are only changing the setup to make the ball curve. If you change your swing you would now have to practice twice as hard. So keep doing the normal golf swing and work on changing the set up as I demonstrated in this tip.
January 10, 2013
I am still a little confused because in your video draw or fade you say for a fade you swing to the left because you are aimed to the left.
You are doing your normal golf swing. If you aimed left and swung left the ball would go left. Now if you did the very same swing with the face slightly open the ball would fade to the right. It is your normal golf swing. Your setup is changes are causing the face to be open. So if you aim your body left you need to swing left.
January 24, 2013
How do you stop your hands from turning over when you are swinging left I.e., what is your grip on this shot? Thanks
You do not have to stop your hands from turning over. The ball is fading because you pre-set the face open. If you did a normal swing with the face open where would your ball go? It would fade. Now, do the very same thing but aim left. Now the ball will fade on target. In other words you are NOT changing your swing. You are changing your set up.
January 25, 2013
I understand all that (I do hit a draw without much difficulty but agree with your views on the fade). I guess I am not making myself clear so I will try again. Set up is fine. But, when I am going to swing I feel awkward in the swing and feel like I am turning the club over as I swing along the body line. Maybe it is the grip but I feel like I don’t have the natural power or swing in trying to keep the club face going down the target line.
Anyways, I am really glad I found you again, you changed my game last year with your lessons on the swing (hips leading etc.) by the way what do you think of the reagar ? Wedges promoted on your former site.
You are not trying to keep the club going down the line. The club is swinging left. The face is open to this path. To get used to it just set up square and aim the face a little right. Take normal swings like this and you will see the ball start fading. Once you get it fading slowly start to aim your body left while doing the same swing. No manipulation of the face. If you cannot get it to fade your grip is too strong so make sure it is neutral.
I’m glad you found me again too. Just hoping other Revolution Golf members find me. I guess if they are looking for tips they may search for me.
I have seen a few students with those wedges. They look good.
May 28, 2013
Thanks Paul, I think I understand it now. You are not setting the club face open to the target line at set up. You are setting your body open, and the club square to the target line, which opens it to the path. Correct?
Correct. This is how Jack Nicklaus, Faldo and other greats did it.
March 19, 2013
I have noticed that if i grip the club a bit tighter with my left hand i hit better fades and more consistent
is this a correct thing to do?
March 20, 2013
You are fading it when tightening the left hand because you are stopping the club from releasing fully. Remember, I want the arms powerless. If you are tightening the left hand you are using your hands. You should be fading it by aiming your body left and the face at the target not because you are manipulating the face.
You would think I would have learnt by now to listen ONLY to you and not other so called experts!!
Listeners are my best students. Whoever you decide to follow you must follow only that person. Too much information only leads to confusion. Glad you’re with me. Stick with it.
Hi Paul, Great tip. I too think the draw is a “cool” shot, but it is so inconsistent, and harder to hit. My question is, with a fade are you still rolling over the forearms (releasing the club).
Yes, you are doing your normal swing. The ball is fading due to the setup changes only.
October 4, 2013
Paul, from a back view it is hard to see were the ball position is when your body is open to the ball. Perhaps a front view will help to see how the ball position should be. Thank You.
The ball position is off the inside of the left heel regardless of the shot you are trying to hit.
October 7, 2013
Thank you for responding so fast Paul! I am having good results with fading the ball tip in the range and in playing. I do hit it straight left after two or three good fades . More work to be done! Thank you for your work, my game is taking a turn for the best. Regards, Herminio
October 8, 2013
That’s great. The fade should be a shot everyone knows how to hit. Keep up the good work.
April 28, 2014
Just had my light bulb moment playing the other day that spring effect finally happened for me only took 6 months ha ha but the difference is amazing i thought i was hitting well before never dreamed of hitting them so well cant thank you enough so my advice to anyone who just cant get it keep trying it will happen mine did.
my question is now i have a natural slight draw to my shots witch im very happy with id say its only about a 5 yard draw should i be happy with this or look at trying to hit a fade?
coming from someone who was a huge slicer of the ball for years seeing the ball draw is a great feeling.
April 29, 2014
Light bulb moments are great. It takes your game to a whole new level.
Stick to the draw if you are doing it with a neutral grip. It does take more work to keep this pattern. If you can do it, I’m okay with it.
Keep up the good work.
Also do you have any tips on how to increes your hip turn ?
I hope you are talking through swing not backswing:
DRILL: How To Get Faster Hip Rotation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-faster-hip-rotation/
Hips To Target Feeling: https://ignitiongolf.com/hips-to-target-feeling/
DRILL: Swing Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-off-ground
DRILL: Listen to Club Swinging: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-listen-to-club
DRILL: Swing Off Ground Variation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-variation-favorite-drill/
DRILL: My Favorite Drill
June 5, 2014
Can I know the fade or the draw gives better distance and why?
The draw will give you more distance because the face is closing. If the face is closing it is not putting as much backspin on the ball.
February 12, 2015
I have tried your suggestion to use my legs and hips instead of my arms. My question is, Golfers like Annika, suggest that we use a one piece take-away, but doesn’t explain if the downswing should be one piece. With your swing, is the downswing in your technique one-piece, which would require my firming up my spine, so that it goes with the legs/hips, or should I just relax and allow the feet up rotation to reach the upper back and shoulders?
Thanks for your patience,
February 13, 2015
I answered this here:
Not sure what a once=piece downswing is. You are the first person to refer to it as this.
So there is no such thing as a one piece downswing. The club starts back in a one-piece action. It then hinges fully as it hits the top. The body rotation uncoils the swing and the hinged club stays hinged to hip height. At this point, it releases fully to a point just after impact. From here it re-hinges.
You are doing a one-piece takeaway to stop the hands and arms from pulling the club back and activating them in the backswing.
So you are uncoiling with the lower body in the downswing to hit the ball. Your arms are connected to his rotation. So the arms are moving because they are connected to the uncoiling body not because you are trying to hit with them.
Uncoil 1: https://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil
Uncoil 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil-follow-up
April 30, 2015
Hi Paul is there a tip on what exactly I should be doing when hitting a fade I.e. My stance club face aim and path
I haven’t shot that on yet. I will be doing so in the near future.
In the meantime you can read my tip here:
March 8, 2018
I’m 71 yrs old. I took Golf up 8 yrs ago. I’ve been searching and working hard to find “my” swing. I believe that by following your lessons I’m arriving. By using a swing trainer I realized that I need to drop my arms down in the down swing or the tube hit me in the neck . I went to the range and swinging like this got rid of my fade and slice. It turned into straight and draw. Would you comment on that? I’ve also been practicing the full swing without a ball. My hip flexors are killing me. Would you say that would indicate I’m doing it right?
My arms drop into the slot as I turn my hips. If this is working then do it for a while until you’ve trained it then stop thinking about it as this is an arms thought. I want you thinking body. Also, at the range/course I would check your alignment. You might be pull hooking it. In which case this pulling down is causing the pull.
Your hips flexors killing you might be saying you are over doing it and trying to fire too hard. Slowly build up. Everyone wants to do all this stuff at top speed all the time. Just do it slow but right. Get used to it then gradually build it up.
DRILL: Do It Right at 1MPH https://ignitiongolf.com/right-at-1mph/
Sounds likes you are close but any kind of pain worried me as my swing doesn’t not hurt your body in any way. Like I said, you might be trying to fire the lower too hard and you are not good at it.
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