This is a big…huge…important dril! At least for me. I went back and looked at several of my own vids of my swing and I definitely cross at the top. Not a lot, but I am crossing. When I look at the takeaway, I am not parallel to the stick (pulling to the inside of course)…
Gonna be some go to drills for me aa soon as I heal up. Back is healing up well. Probably around Thanksgiving to give it a try again.
Aha, for you this is certainly a good drill. I used to do this one all of the time. It’s fun because you can still hit good shots vs. a drill that doesn’t allow you to hit good shots. Just keep doing this for a while. If so, you get used to it and it becomes natural.
Great drill! Your tips are so simple and make so much sense, that is why I love this site. One question though: Does it matter how far the ball is from the alignment stick and also how far the stick is from your feet?
Yes, it does matter. You need to adjust so you can see the alignment stick just outside the shaft at halfway back. If the ball is too close to the stick you it will show up inside and you may not be able to match it up. Just experiment a little. You will see the best place. Glad you like the site. I appreciate it.
Paul ,You can refine on this fine dril in doing it with your back 2 inches or so in front of a wall ,parallel to it:you are sure then not to pull back the club to the inside and raise it parallel to the wall.It keeps also your right forearm from jutting out when flexing it the backswing
Paul ,I looked up the playing tips section on the IGNITION GOLF site .
I was searching for the video of how to play a ball which has run in a divot and rests there (Quite a common occurrence !).I didn’t find anything. Maybe it is located in another section !
My question applies to the three ways the ball may be lying in the divot :
-at the beginning of the divot
_at the end of the divot (Target Wise there is the turf which is a bit higher than the ball )
-somewhere in between .
Also ,what club do you choose :more lofted or less lofted than the club you would choose for the distance you want to send the ball if the ball was lying on the short grass of the farway?
I myself pick a less lofted club to do the job:am I right or wrong in doing so?
On the original site, red navigation bar PLAYING TIPS. They are posted there. You can always use the search box to the right and type in “playing” and everything with this in the title will show up.
From a divot I would be hitting a knock down/punch shot here:
I may hit this for all of the 3 lies. Need to know I am going to contact the ball first. If it is in a hole I need to dig it out. At the front might be tricky if you did not have the hands way ahead so knock down shot as well.
Work on the knock down as I suggest. Great shot if you can hit it. I use it all the time.
Ok, this one is huge for me. When I am not striking the ball well, I actually force myself to take the club back inside more with more shoulder turn. I find that my ball striking and shot results are much better when I am taking the club back inside. I hit it much more solidly, longer and straighter. So, can you explain this to me and tell me why I shouldn’t just continue doing this?
Because you are most likely pull hooking it which is a flaw. Check your alignment then let me know if taking it inside is allowing you to hit shots on target from square.
Inside can cause you to cross the line, be too flat, over the top on the downswing and a host of other issues. This is not to say it can’t work. There have been pros who take it back inside but they are pros who have swung that way with numerous flaws for years.
Maybe you were taking it outside picking up. Maybe you were just lifting your arms up not turning enough. Maybe you hit it better when you cross the line. Maybe it allows you to see a better path an so on. Like I said are you doing it from square. If not you are pull hooking it. If you are then you have a second flaw allowing you to hit the ball on target. This would be 2 flaws which requires more practice.
Can you direct me to the video that specifically relates which muscles are engaged in getting from the mid point (which I can do) to the top (where my arms start to collapse). Also, in watching you demo the swing on another video related to too much movement, you seem to start the demo swing with the club out in front to the left of the ball, and this builds momentum (which is a word you use) to get to the top. How do you generate momentum from a normal starting position when you aren’t starting with the club out from of the ball to the left.
ps: Sorry if being redundant as I’ve asked this question related to other backswing video. No need to answer the other video comment if addressed here. Thanks
WK,
you are getting ready to hit it. You then switch your thought to the shoulders. You take you shoulder and coil it back. I bounce the club a little just before I am about to take it back to stay in motion.
Not sure I have a specific tip you are looking for. I think you need to change the way you are thinking. Just set up. Stay in motion and crank the shoulder. Feel the arms as they near the top. I think you are overthinking it and getting all tight or freezing up as you go back.
I have a tendency to bring my lead arm across my chest too much, constraining it. I know it is because I have not turned enough at that point. Hence I can get the right position with my lead arm, parallel to the targetline, but it is still not right.
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15 Responses to “DRILL – Stop Taking It Inside or Outside Going Back”
September 10, 2014
ZamHi Paul, great drill. Can this drill also teach/promote non-hitting with your hands? Sorry if its a silly question. Thanks very much.
Zam
September 10, 2014
Paul WilsonZam,
Yes, this is great for that. Too many people want to hinge it right away. I am not hinging anything until this point.
November 2, 2017
KimBozikPaul,
This is a big…huge…important dril! At least for me. I went back and looked at several of my own vids of my swing and I definitely cross at the top. Not a lot, but I am crossing. When I look at the takeaway, I am not parallel to the stick (pulling to the inside of course)…
Gonna be some go to drills for me aa soon as I heal up. Back is healing up well. Probably around Thanksgiving to give it a try again.
Great stuff!
Kim
November 3, 2017
Paul WilsonKim,
Aha, for you this is certainly a good drill. I used to do this one all of the time. It’s fun because you can still hit good shots vs. a drill that doesn’t allow you to hit good shots. Just keep doing this for a while. If so, you get used to it and it becomes natural.
November 2, 2017
SteveWeberGreat drill! Your tips are so simple and make so much sense, that is why I love this site. One question though: Does it matter how far the ball is from the alignment stick and also how far the stick is from your feet?
Thanks
Steve
November 3, 2017
Paul WilsonSteve,
Yes, it does matter. You need to adjust so you can see the alignment stick just outside the shaft at halfway back. If the ball is too close to the stick you it will show up inside and you may not be able to match it up. Just experiment a little. You will see the best place. Glad you like the site. I appreciate it.
November 2, 2017
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,You can refine on this fine dril in doing it with your back 2 inches or so in front of a wall ,parallel to it:you are sure then not to pull back the club to the inside and raise it parallel to the wall.It keeps also your right forearm from jutting out when flexing it the backswing
November 3, 2017
Paul WilsonRaymond,
That is a great way to do it and it reminded me that I never shot that tip. I will have to put it back on the list. Thanks.
November 4, 2017
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,I looked up the playing tips section on the IGNITION GOLF site .
I was searching for the video of how to play a ball which has run in a divot and rests there (Quite a common occurrence !).I didn’t find anything. Maybe it is located in another section !
My question applies to the three ways the ball may be lying in the divot :
-at the beginning of the divot
_at the end of the divot (Target Wise there is the turf which is a bit higher than the ball )
-somewhere in between .
Also ,what club do you choose :more lofted or less lofted than the club you would choose for the distance you want to send the ball if the ball was lying on the short grass of the farway?
I myself pick a less lofted club to do the job:am I right or wrong in doing so?
November 5, 2017
Paul WilsonRaymond,
On the original site, red navigation bar PLAYING TIPS. They are posted there. You can always use the search box to the right and type in “playing” and everything with this in the title will show up.
From a divot I would be hitting a knock down/punch shot here:
Knock Down Shot: https://ignitiongolf.com/shot-knock-down/
Knock Down Shot Hand Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/knock-down-shot-hand-position/
I may hit this for all of the 3 lies. Need to know I am going to contact the ball first. If it is in a hole I need to dig it out. At the front might be tricky if you did not have the hands way ahead so knock down shot as well.
Work on the knock down as I suggest. Great shot if you can hit it. I use it all the time.
November 6, 2017
MichaelFieldOk, this one is huge for me. When I am not striking the ball well, I actually force myself to take the club back inside more with more shoulder turn. I find that my ball striking and shot results are much better when I am taking the club back inside. I hit it much more solidly, longer and straighter. So, can you explain this to me and tell me why I shouldn’t just continue doing this?
November 6, 2017
Paul WilsonMicheal,
Because you are most likely pull hooking it which is a flaw. Check your alignment then let me know if taking it inside is allowing you to hit shots on target from square.
Inside can cause you to cross the line, be too flat, over the top on the downswing and a host of other issues. This is not to say it can’t work. There have been pros who take it back inside but they are pros who have swung that way with numerous flaws for years.
Maybe you were taking it outside picking up. Maybe you were just lifting your arms up not turning enough. Maybe you hit it better when you cross the line. Maybe it allows you to see a better path an so on. Like I said are you doing it from square. If not you are pull hooking it. If you are then you have a second flaw allowing you to hit the ball on target. This would be 2 flaws which requires more practice.
Let me know.
Alignment: https://ignitiongolf.com/golf-alignment
How To Put Down an Alignment Stick Properly: https://ignitiongolf.com/alignment-stick-placement/
Change Clubs Change Alignment: https://ignitiongolf.com/change-clubs-change-alignment/
September 12, 2018
wkalaidjianPaul
Can you direct me to the video that specifically relates which muscles are engaged in getting from the mid point (which I can do) to the top (where my arms start to collapse). Also, in watching you demo the swing on another video related to too much movement, you seem to start the demo swing with the club out in front to the left of the ball, and this builds momentum (which is a word you use) to get to the top. How do you generate momentum from a normal starting position when you aren’t starting with the club out from of the ball to the left.
ps: Sorry if being redundant as I’ve asked this question related to other backswing video. No need to answer the other video comment if addressed here. Thanks
September 12, 2018
Paul WilsonWK,
you are getting ready to hit it. You then switch your thought to the shoulders. You take you shoulder and coil it back. I bounce the club a little just before I am about to take it back to stay in motion.
Here is a newer one: Stay In Motion At The Start: https://ignitiongolf.com/stay-in-motion/
Not sure I have a specific tip you are looking for. I think you need to change the way you are thinking. Just set up. Stay in motion and crank the shoulder. Feel the arms as they near the top. I think you are overthinking it and getting all tight or freezing up as you go back.
November 3, 2020
mikeschickI have a tendency to bring my lead arm across my chest too much, constraining it. I know it is because I have not turned enough at that point. Hence I can get the right position with my lead arm, parallel to the targetline, but it is still not right.