Paul,
I have been working on your approach for a few weeks now, and am becoming more and more convinced of its value.
Just one interesting point I discovered the last time I was out at the driving range: I know you caution against “casting,” but I noticed that your technique seems to work best for me when I get the feeling that I am allowing the rotation of my hips to throw the clubbed out and around, so that it reaches maximum speed at the point of impact. That feeling gives me the best hits at the driving rand, and when I use a device I have to measure clubbed speed, it gives me the highest readings (about 97 mph for my driver, so far). It’s almost as if I am “casting,” but from the middle of the swing, instead of from the very top. I feel like my arms are “powerless,” but being spun out and around, along with the club head. Does this sound like I’m on the right track, or am I missing something?
Not sure that’s a great feeling. If it is working then keep doing it. I would video the swing and check to see if you have the lag while feeling this. Maybe the feeling you are getting is releasing and you think it is casting because the club does have to release. Have you done the lag drills?
Good day Paul:
I LOVE this drill! Been doing it for approximately a year. Feels so easy and tension free but most of all, …….comfortable. Now…how do I get in the position to get my stance in that way to hit the ball? I’ve tried over and over to do it in the manner you teach to get the stance but it doesn’t feel the same. Any tips, hints or videos that might help?
Thanks for coming up with new ways to get us doing the same ‘right’ things. It all helps. I have always been a believer that repetition is the key to all learning. Anything that motivates me to keep with the program, do the reps, and practice the right positions is good for me, and everyone really. Keep it coming!
One thing I find with this drill and swinging in general is that when increasing the speed it seems that my arms tend to take over with the lower body becoming secondary to the arms.
Don
Start off slow the gradually build it up. Tell yourself to not swing with the arms. There is nothing there to hit anyway so there is no point hitting. Isolate your feet and legs to take your mind off of the arms.
If golf is doing a consistent repeatable swing, why would golfers not do this drill to develop that repeatable swing? IT WORKS to groove the full swing. Thanks for continuing to remind us who follow your teaching to go back to this foundation drill. I have been following you for over 5 years now, and I have visited you in Vegas 3 times over those 5 years. It works!! Thanks for being consistent. I have learned to be a better student, and as a result a better golfer.
It is about effort. If people can give me 5 mins a day to do some positions I can give them a great swing. Alternative … spend 2 hours and money driving to the range and paying for balls. Small price to pay for a great swing. Just got to know the positions and do them as well as a few drills.
Is my assumption fair to assume that you’re pushing from that side of your right foot not the bottom/side of your right so you can more easily end up on the toe versus the ball of your life
Paul,
To get the best out OF this drill you have to SIMUTANEOUSLY concentrate on pushing from the right Instep AND turning energetically the belt button full Speed left .The left leg straighens up by itself .
A question : at address ,is it advisable to slightly open the shoulders while having a slightly closed stance ( Right foot slightly pulled back from left foot)
I would try to be square with shoulders and hips. If you open the shoulders and close the stance it’s a pretty big difference than just having a closed stance square shoulders or square stance open shoulders. A little open or closed may be okay. Just don’t over do it.
I have the idea for this down. One of my (many) issues is my clubhead path. During lessons I have had in the past, I was told that my club had path needs to come around lower (about knee level) and then through to the left (not upwards and out). This gives me a more penetrating impact at the ball.
The question I have for you is this. If I do this drill with powerless arms, can you still direct your (arm/club/clubhead) path in a lower position without actively using the arms. I know this may sound confusing but when I swing at the ball after doing the drill, I still have to envision the lower clubhead path or I tend to still pull the ball.
Not sure how you are getting that I want you to not swing on an arc but instead up and out. I always want the club on a arc. If I want you to swing up in this variation on this drill it is to keep your head behind the ball as you hit the ball. I think you need to know why a divot is even taken.
Keep in mind this drill is to get you using your legs and hips. If you are powering the swing with your legs and hips your whole upped body would be hanging back in the downswing creating the descending blow.
I just got back from playing today. I think it’s what you said. If you start the hips and somehow keep the arms passive long enough, the club falls into a better plane. Near the end of the round I was pulling the ball left into the trees. Even though I was telling myself to turn my arms off (and thought I was) I still ain’t leading the hips enough to stop coming over the top. Either my lower body gets lazy late in the round or my tension in my arms is slightly growing w/o my knowing it.
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19 Responses to “Another Variation Of My Favorite Drill”
November 5, 2015
Gary MeyersPaul,
I have been working on your approach for a few weeks now, and am becoming more and more convinced of its value.
Just one interesting point I discovered the last time I was out at the driving range: I know you caution against “casting,” but I noticed that your technique seems to work best for me when I get the feeling that I am allowing the rotation of my hips to throw the clubbed out and around, so that it reaches maximum speed at the point of impact. That feeling gives me the best hits at the driving rand, and when I use a device I have to measure clubbed speed, it gives me the highest readings (about 97 mph for my driver, so far). It’s almost as if I am “casting,” but from the middle of the swing, instead of from the very top. I feel like my arms are “powerless,” but being spun out and around, along with the club head. Does this sound like I’m on the right track, or am I missing something?
November 7, 2015
Paul WilsonGary,
Not sure that’s a great feeling. If it is working then keep doing it. I would video the swing and check to see if you have the lag while feeling this. Maybe the feeling you are getting is releasing and you think it is casting because the club does have to release. Have you done the lag drills?
DRILL: Work On Lag Anywhere: https://ignitiongolf.com/work-on-lag-anywhere/
DRILL: Hold Lag Turn Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-hold-lag-turn-hips/
Drill: Work On Lag Anywhere: https://ignitiongolf.com/work-on-lag-anywhere/
Drill: Hold Lag Turn Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-hold-lag-turn-hips/
Lag Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lag
Lag Drill 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-move-hips-hold-lag
Old But Good Lag Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/old-good-lag-drill/
November 6, 2015
JohnSweeneyGood day Paul:
I LOVE this drill! Been doing it for approximately a year. Feels so easy and tension free but most of all, …….comfortable. Now…how do I get in the position to get my stance in that way to hit the ball? I’ve tried over and over to do it in the manner you teach to get the stance but it doesn’t feel the same. Any tips, hints or videos that might help?
Thanks,
John Sweeney
Melbourne, Florida
November 7, 2015
Paul WilsonJohn,
Not sure why you can’t get the stance. I have done tons of tips on it. The latest is here:
A New Way To Get The Taller Setup: https://ignitiongolf.com/new-way-taller-setup/
This is a simple way to get it. Give it a try.
November 6, 2015
BrianGeissingerThanks for coming up with new ways to get us doing the same ‘right’ things. It all helps. I have always been a believer that repetition is the key to all learning. Anything that motivates me to keep with the program, do the reps, and practice the right positions is good for me, and everyone really. Keep it coming!
November 7, 2015
Paul WilsonBrian,
Glad you liked it. Different people click with different ideas so I will keep trying to come up with stuff. I do have a big list.
November 6, 2015
DonaldPugsleyOne thing I find with this drill and swinging in general is that when increasing the speed it seems that my arms tend to take over with the lower body becoming secondary to the arms.
Don
November 7, 2015
Paul WilsonDon,
Start off slow the gradually build it up. Tell yourself to not swing with the arms. There is nothing there to hit anyway so there is no point hitting. Isolate your feet and legs to take your mind off of the arms.
November 6, 2015
PETERMCMULLENIf golf is doing a consistent repeatable swing, why would golfers not do this drill to develop that repeatable swing? IT WORKS to groove the full swing. Thanks for continuing to remind us who follow your teaching to go back to this foundation drill. I have been following you for over 5 years now, and I have visited you in Vegas 3 times over those 5 years. It works!! Thanks for being consistent. I have learned to be a better student, and as a result a better golfer.
November 7, 2015
Paul WilsonPeter,
It is about effort. If people can give me 5 mins a day to do some positions I can give them a great swing. Alternative … spend 2 hours and money driving to the range and paying for balls. Small price to pay for a great swing. Just got to know the positions and do them as well as a few drills.
November 6, 2015
WaltreyerGreat drill! It works with my longer clubs with ease, but from the 6 iron down I’m
having trouble?
Its improved my driver swing speed and accuracy.
Best regards,
Walt
November 7, 2015
Paul WilsonWalt,
Stay tall with shorter clubs. You are bending over too much as you go to shorter clubs.
Watch:
Stand Tall with Short Clubs: https://ignitiongolf.com/stand-tall-short-clubs/
November 6, 2015
BruceJespersenIs my assumption fair to assume that you’re pushing from that side of your right foot not the bottom/side of your right so you can more easily end up on the toe versus the ball of your life
November 7, 2015
Paul WilsonBruce,
I am pushing in a circular motion. Just throw some balls overhand to get the feeling. It is the same motion.
This tip may help too:
Shift and Roll: https://ignitiongolf.com/shift-roll/
November 7, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul,
To get the best out OF this drill you have to SIMUTANEOUSLY concentrate on pushing from the right Instep AND turning energetically the belt button full Speed left .The left leg straighens up by itself .
A question : at address ,is it advisable to slightly open the shoulders while having a slightly closed stance ( Right foot slightly pulled back from left foot)
November 8, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Yes, turning straightens the leg.
I would try to be square with shoulders and hips. If you open the shoulders and close the stance it’s a pretty big difference than just having a closed stance square shoulders or square stance open shoulders. A little open or closed may be okay. Just don’t over do it.
November 8, 2015
JeffLubinI have the idea for this down. One of my (many) issues is my clubhead path. During lessons I have had in the past, I was told that my club had path needs to come around lower (about knee level) and then through to the left (not upwards and out). This gives me a more penetrating impact at the ball.
The question I have for you is this. If I do this drill with powerless arms, can you still direct your (arm/club/clubhead) path in a lower position without actively using the arms. I know this may sound confusing but when I swing at the ball after doing the drill, I still have to envision the lower clubhead path or I tend to still pull the ball.
November 8, 2015
Paul WilsonJeff,
Not sure how you are getting that I want you to not swing on an arc but instead up and out. I always want the club on a arc. If I want you to swing up in this variation on this drill it is to keep your head behind the ball as you hit the ball. I think you need to know why a divot is even taken.
Watch:
How To Take A Divot: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-take-a-divot/
Divot Path: https://ignitiongolf.com/divot-path
Keep in mind this drill is to get you using your legs and hips. If you are powering the swing with your legs and hips your whole upped body would be hanging back in the downswing creating the descending blow.
November 8, 2015
JeffLubinI just got back from playing today. I think it’s what you said. If you start the hips and somehow keep the arms passive long enough, the club falls into a better plane. Near the end of the round I was pulling the ball left into the trees. Even though I was telling myself to turn my arms off (and thought I was) I still ain’t leading the hips enough to stop coming over the top. Either my lower body gets lazy late in the round or my tension in my arms is slightly growing w/o my knowing it.