Paul, I am still having some problems with your overlap grip suggestions. I have followed the grip positions in detail, but when taking the club back cannot feel that the club is secure and not moving around at the top of the back swing without griping tightly and this in my opinion prevents the lose wrist feeling that is necessary. Can you provide some more details about how to secure the grip at the top and start of the downswing without having to grip so tight with the trigger finger and thumb to ensure that the butt end does not move so much. thanks Richard.
You can do an overlap just don’t sacrifice the top position of the bottom hand for comfort of the pinky. I don’t say you cannot do it. I just don’t promote for that very reason.
The club is moving at the top because your wrists are too tight.
You do grip tight. I am 8 out of 10 at the top. My wrists are loose though.
This tip was also published by David Leadbetter in Golf Digest about 10 years back. I played with this grip for about two seasons. Had good success with it. Don’t remember why I went back to a more traditional style, probably was due to long offseason where I had to re-learn everything each Spring. Thanks for reminding me, I’m going to give it a go.
Tom
You made a comment during this tip that had me thinking. You mentioned you are trying to get us to stop trying to hit with our right hand/trailing hand which for a right handed golfer is his right hand. I am a lefty in golf but I an right hand dominant (writing, throwing, etc), I think I am always trying to hit with my right hand (actually I am trying not to but…) which perhaps maybe part of the reason I tend to come over the top: I am pulling the club. Of course I am trying not to and am trying to turn my arms off but my own human nature sabotages me and it is a constant effort to not pull the club with my right(dominant) hand.
Any suggestion for this situation?
You actually have the advantage if you are right handed playing left. Your bottom is not the dominant hand. If this is the strong hand you will not only want to hit hard but you will want to pull it back to the inside which I doubt you are doing because you this is not your dominant hand.
You are coming over the top from hitting. When you do you lean right. Lean right and you will swing over the top. So lean left in the downswing.
Excellent reminder ,Paul ,thank you.This “JIM FURYK “grip with the double overlap is very familiar to me ,because I use an “improvement “(or an “exageration “to it )for my chipping and my putting ,in the form of a “triple overlap” (three fingers of the right hand overlapping the corresponding fingers of left hand );This prevents any wrist action in my chipping and my putting ,two areas of my game which are very good .That’s why I would never use it for a full swing to keep as much flexibilty in the wrists as possible
I have a suggestion to cure Mr Fuchs ordeal depicted above .I pulled it from JOE DANTE”s excellent book “FOUR MAGIC MOVES TO WINNING GOLF.”JOE DANTE’s teaching (he taught around 1950/1960)was very similar to yours except for the early cocking of the club in the backswing .You just imagine in your head the triangle created at the top of the backswing between the club,the left arm and an imaginary line linking the clubhead to the top of the left shoulder When you start the downswing by rotating your hips to the left ,you keep in mind to maintain that triangle as it is as long as possible ,without of course rigidifying anything in your left arm or your wrists .You endeavor also to keep your head back ,and not throw it forwards ,it just follows the body rotation .I never come over the top doing so and my clubhead lag is improved .
I would even go a step further and overlap your whole right hand and force yourself to feel the correct left hand pull on the club in the swing as a drill. You might even emphasize the grip of the last three fingers of the left hand to get the left hand dominance feel you need to lead the swing with the left side.
AreYou saying that the right arm is the culprit in using the arms to swing if you’re right handed? If so would that mean I can pull down with the left arm?Your tip about giving you 3 inches and a tip from another place where I grab the left seem of my shirt with my right arm and swing the club with the left arm. The left arm doesn’t start down until my shirt has stared pulling my right arm has helped me a lot. I have followed your advice about not hitting balls at the range for a month. I have practiced the positions and played. I really understand the value of that now. It is really really difficult to work on the positions when there is a ball to hit. I am going to continue this.
If you are strong on the right arm you will try to hit. This does not mean you can pull the club down with the left. You need your arms powerless. If you turn your body your arms will follow because they are connected. So try to not hit. Focus on the lower starting and club following.
Glad you are doing the practice swings. It will pay off as you keep doing it.
Hi Paul
I love this grip technique and have used my own version of it on the course while practicing and playing. Especially for the slice. It makes it easier to turn the club over and I actually feel a better hinge at the top.
I put :
Index finger of right hand between middle and ring finger of left.
Middle finger of right between middle and pinky finger of left
Ring finger of right under left hand pinky pad and let that and the right pinky finger hold the club.
The thumb of the right hand goes in the crease of the left thumb and index finger. It’s 90% left hand making the swing. My left hand goes through the ball like butter. It looks weird and feels weird not to mention gets a comment or two from my golf buddies but it works and I get the last laugh or two with a few extra dollars of their money on occasion!!!
Can’t say I use it all the time but when my game goes south it helps.
Great tip, everyone should try it or experiment with their version but it takes that right hand control out of the picture. Agree it takes some trust and getting used to.
Interesting version of the grip. If it works that’s great. I hope everyone will at least try some version of it. So many people keep hitting and I keep racking my brain trying to figure out ways for them to stop hitting. The ball sitting there is a powerful force for most people.
Just look at HIDEKI MATSUTAMA playing :he has a definite pause of his club at the top . He even overdoes this pause .
When I get overexcited on the course and want to hit with the arms ,,i take my mind back to MATSUYAMA and his swing :it puts my swing back on track
That’s a good one. Not sure how he hits it that well stopping as it take the momentum out of the swing but it works for him. Slowing down or pausing definitely gives you time to think about using the lower body to hit it. To many people rush the swing.
Dear Mr Swweney ,I wonder how you can cock your wrists with this extensive overlap when doing the complete normal swing :I use my triple overlap especially to prevent all wrist action in chipping and putting but in the full swing my wrists work a lot and must stay loose .
The wrists enable to “snap” the club at the ball ,despite what nearly all the US and English golf teachers say .The Spaniards and Basques who taught me the game insisted that I use my wrists fully .And still I do hit the ball very straight .Of course ,everybody will tell you that great SEVERIANO BALLESTEROS would hit his drives all over the place(It’s true ,I saw him play ) ,but his “alter ego “OLAZABAL was a pretty straight shooter ,and both had a short game no English or US golfer will ever equal
One thing I tried was to take the club to the top and pause for awhile and think about not using the arms and then turn the lower body and let the arms fall. To me, if I didn’t have the swing up to the top and an immediate transition down it removed the hit impulse as a result of the windup because it’s logical just from doing it so often. If that makes any sense. It’s like tearing down the motor pattern into two actions instead of one continuous action.
I like stopping at the top. Definitely gives you time to think. See it as a drill though and don’t expect great shots. Just keep doing it. You can also think belt buckle back to the ball with the arms up there too. That will get them starting first.
Dang, I think this works for me.
I’m realizing that good golf feels more like pulling than pushing.
I pull back a slow one piece takeaway and I pull back my left leg to straighten it as my knees touch in the follow-through.
My bad is when I tend to push with my right arm of course because that’s the dominant one. Of course that makes me trying to HIT the ball and my right arm get sore during practicing and playing.
I’m actually swinging better WITH the ball in practice with this grip with no soreness.
I might just keep it!
Glad you see the mistake. This is half the battle. We are not using the arms to hit the ball so there would definitely not be a pushing sensation. Just let them go.
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24 Responses to “Drill – Furyk Grip”
October 14, 2018
richardpeyserPaul, I am still having some problems with your overlap grip suggestions. I have followed the grip positions in detail, but when taking the club back cannot feel that the club is secure and not moving around at the top of the back swing without griping tightly and this in my opinion prevents the lose wrist feeling that is necessary. Can you provide some more details about how to secure the grip at the top and start of the downswing without having to grip so tight with the trigger finger and thumb to ensure that the butt end does not move so much. thanks Richard.
October 15, 2018
Paul WilsonRichard,
You can do an overlap just don’t sacrifice the top position of the bottom hand for comfort of the pinky. I don’t say you cannot do it. I just don’t promote for that very reason.
The club is moving at the top because your wrists are too tight.
You do grip tight. I am 8 out of 10 at the top. My wrists are loose though.
Secure Grip Loose Wrists: https://ignitiongolf.com/secure-grip-loose-wrists/
October 15, 2018
Paul WilsonMy Grip Pressure: https://ignitiongolf.com/my-grip-pressure/
October 14, 2018
TomCThis tip was also published by David Leadbetter in Golf Digest about 10 years back. I played with this grip for about two seasons. Had good success with it. Don’t remember why I went back to a more traditional style, probably was due to long offseason where I had to re-learn everything each Spring. Thanks for reminding me, I’m going to give it a go.
Tom
October 15, 2018
Paul WilsonTom,
Didn’t know he posted that. I would think it’s not new.
I would just do it as a drill but if you really like it you can certainly do it.
October 14, 2018
Christian S.FuchsPaul,
You made a comment during this tip that had me thinking. You mentioned you are trying to get us to stop trying to hit with our right hand/trailing hand which for a right handed golfer is his right hand. I am a lefty in golf but I an right hand dominant (writing, throwing, etc), I think I am always trying to hit with my right hand (actually I am trying not to but…) which perhaps maybe part of the reason I tend to come over the top: I am pulling the club. Of course I am trying not to and am trying to turn my arms off but my own human nature sabotages me and it is a constant effort to not pull the club with my right(dominant) hand.
Any suggestion for this situation?
Thanks for your awesome tips, they do help.
Christian
October 15, 2018
Paul WilsonChristian,
You actually have the advantage if you are right handed playing left. Your bottom is not the dominant hand. If this is the strong hand you will not only want to hit hard but you will want to pull it back to the inside which I doubt you are doing because you this is not your dominant hand.
You are coming over the top from hitting. When you do you lean right. Lean right and you will swing over the top. So lean left in the downswing.
Watch Back of The Golf Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-backside-golf-ball/
Another Way To Stay Behind It: https://ignitiongolf.com/another-way-to-stay-behind-it/
Pulls
Definitive Tip To Cure Pulls and Pull Hooks: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulls-pull-hooks-definitive/
Cures – Manually Tilt To Stop Pulling: https://ignitiongolf.com/manually-tilt-cure-pull/
Remembering How Cure Pulled Shots: https://ignitiongolf.com/remembering-cure-pulled-shots/
See The Good In A Pull and Pull Hook: https://ignitiongolf.com/see-good-pull-pull-hook/
To take the arms out hit 2/3 distance shots and get used to it. Then speed it up with the legs.
DRILL: Hit shots 3/4 length – Why You Can’t Stop Hitting With Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-hitting-with-arms/
October 14, 2018
RaymondCHASTELExcellent reminder ,Paul ,thank you.This “JIM FURYK “grip with the double overlap is very familiar to me ,because I use an “improvement “(or an “exageration “to it )for my chipping and my putting ,in the form of a “triple overlap” (three fingers of the right hand overlapping the corresponding fingers of left hand );This prevents any wrist action in my chipping and my putting ,two areas of my game which are very good .That’s why I would never use it for a full swing to keep as much flexibilty in the wrists as possible
October 15, 2018
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Interesting. Didn’t think of a triple overlap. I will have to try it.
October 14, 2018
RaymondCHASTELI have a suggestion to cure Mr Fuchs ordeal depicted above .I pulled it from JOE DANTE”s excellent book “FOUR MAGIC MOVES TO WINNING GOLF.”JOE DANTE’s teaching (he taught around 1950/1960)was very similar to yours except for the early cocking of the club in the backswing .You just imagine in your head the triangle created at the top of the backswing between the club,the left arm and an imaginary line linking the clubhead to the top of the left shoulder When you start the downswing by rotating your hips to the left ,you keep in mind to maintain that triangle as it is as long as possible ,without of course rigidifying anything in your left arm or your wrists .You endeavor also to keep your head back ,and not throw it forwards ,it just follows the body rotation .I never come over the top doing so and my clubhead lag is improved .
October 14, 2018
JimBenjaminI would even go a step further and overlap your whole right hand and force yourself to feel the correct left hand pull on the club in the swing as a drill. You might even emphasize the grip of the last three fingers of the left hand to get the left hand dominance feel you need to lead the swing with the left side.
Jim
October 15, 2018
Paul WilsonJim,
It gets a little wobbly when you wrap the whole hand but I don’t mind people trying it.
October 14, 2018
NormanKlineAreYou saying that the right arm is the culprit in using the arms to swing if you’re right handed? If so would that mean I can pull down with the left arm?Your tip about giving you 3 inches and a tip from another place where I grab the left seem of my shirt with my right arm and swing the club with the left arm. The left arm doesn’t start down until my shirt has stared pulling my right arm has helped me a lot. I have followed your advice about not hitting balls at the range for a month. I have practiced the positions and played. I really understand the value of that now. It is really really difficult to work on the positions when there is a ball to hit. I am going to continue this.
Norm
October 16, 2018
Paul WilsonNorman,
If you are strong on the right arm you will try to hit. This does not mean you can pull the club down with the left. You need your arms powerless. If you turn your body your arms will follow because they are connected. So try to not hit. Focus on the lower starting and club following.
Glad you are doing the practice swings. It will pay off as you keep doing it.
October 15, 2018
JohnSweeneyHi Paul
I love this grip technique and have used my own version of it on the course while practicing and playing. Especially for the slice. It makes it easier to turn the club over and I actually feel a better hinge at the top.
I put :
Index finger of right hand between middle and ring finger of left.
Middle finger of right between middle and pinky finger of left
Ring finger of right under left hand pinky pad and let that and the right pinky finger hold the club.
The thumb of the right hand goes in the crease of the left thumb and index finger. It’s 90% left hand making the swing. My left hand goes through the ball like butter. It looks weird and feels weird not to mention gets a comment or two from my golf buddies but it works and I get the last laugh or two with a few extra dollars of their money on occasion!!!
Can’t say I use it all the time but when my game goes south it helps.
Great tip, everyone should try it or experiment with their version but it takes that right hand control out of the picture. Agree it takes some trust and getting used to.
Best Regards,
John (2014)
October 16, 2018
Paul WilsonJohn,
Interesting version of the grip. If it works that’s great. I hope everyone will at least try some version of it. So many people keep hitting and I keep racking my brain trying to figure out ways for them to stop hitting. The ball sitting there is a powerful force for most people.
October 19, 2018
RaymondCHASTELJust look at HIDEKI MATSUTAMA playing :he has a definite pause of his club at the top . He even overdoes this pause .
When I get overexcited on the course and want to hit with the arms ,,i take my mind back to MATSUYAMA and his swing :it puts my swing back on track
October 19, 2018
Paul WilsonRaymond,
That’s a good one. Not sure how he hits it that well stopping as it take the momentum out of the swing but it works for him. Slowing down or pausing definitely gives you time to think about using the lower body to hit it. To many people rush the swing.
October 19, 2018
RaymondCHASTELDear Mr Swweney ,I wonder how you can cock your wrists with this extensive overlap when doing the complete normal swing :I use my triple overlap especially to prevent all wrist action in chipping and putting but in the full swing my wrists work a lot and must stay loose .
The wrists enable to “snap” the club at the ball ,despite what nearly all the US and English golf teachers say .The Spaniards and Basques who taught me the game insisted that I use my wrists fully .And still I do hit the ball very straight .Of course ,everybody will tell you that great SEVERIANO BALLESTEROS would hit his drives all over the place(It’s true ,I saw him play ) ,but his “alter ego “OLAZABAL was a pretty straight shooter ,and both had a short game no English or US golfer will ever equal
October 16, 2018
JimBenjaminPaul,
One thing I tried was to take the club to the top and pause for awhile and think about not using the arms and then turn the lower body and let the arms fall. To me, if I didn’t have the swing up to the top and an immediate transition down it removed the hit impulse as a result of the windup because it’s logical just from doing it so often. If that makes any sense. It’s like tearing down the motor pattern into two actions instead of one continuous action.
Jim
October 17, 2018
Paul WilsonJim,
I like stopping at the top. Definitely gives you time to think. See it as a drill though and don’t expect great shots. Just keep doing it. You can also think belt buckle back to the ball with the arms up there too. That will get them starting first.
January 7, 2019
JohnBensonDang, I think this works for me.
I’m realizing that good golf feels more like pulling than pushing.
I pull back a slow one piece takeaway and I pull back my left leg to straighten it as my knees touch in the follow-through.
My bad is when I tend to push with my right arm of course because that’s the dominant one. Of course that makes me trying to HIT the ball and my right arm get sore during practicing and playing.
I’m actually swinging better WITH the ball in practice with this grip with no soreness.
I might just keep it!
January 7, 2019
Paul WilsonJohn,
Glad you see the mistake. This is half the battle. We are not using the arms to hit the ball so there would definitely not be a pushing sensation. Just let them go.
August 22, 2020
TimothyCarryI am half way in-between. My little finger is in the groove made by the index and middle finger but my ring finger is over top of my index finger.