One more thing: If the aim stick is just secured by the rear belt look – i.e. not protruding too much, one can hit shots with the aim stick in place, so better replicating actual play on the course, and getting the feedback from the rear, vertical shaft.
Paul ,Very nice and useful tip .BRIAN CHAMBLEE ,the former pro ,turned TV golf commentator,”invented ” (A too big word in this case) a training aid on this principle a long time ago ..
Asfor me it’s impossible to physically touch the legs ,even when I make a very decent turn of more than 90°:I have two prosthetic knees and the right knee has no “give ” (no flexibility laterally )to get it to touch the front leg ,but I do check that my turn is correct .
To check if the hip turn speed improves ,it would help to measure it .
I tried to measure the speed of the alignment rod you put in your belt with a SSR ,but this speed is too low for the radar to catch it .
I saw somewhere you could use a mobile phone for this purpose
Yes, you can’t measure the speed with any device we have. Yes, there was an app I had a few years ago that did it. Not sure what ever happened to it. I would have to do some digging.
When I video my swing from behind and down the line it seems that my upper body and arms don’t rotate left soon enough after impact compared to model swings I have seen. Often after impact and halfway into the follow through the club shaft is almost vertical coming out the top of my head where model swings have the club shaft exiting at shoulder level or lower. I eventually get to the knees together and club behind the neck position but I don’t think I get there in the correct way. Your thoughts please.
This is why the touch the head positions is so important. So, you need to start working on this asap. This will get you on plane, give you power and consistency.
This gives really good feedback. I have done this as well. You can also use it to try and rotate your hips to 45 degrees at the impact position. Lay an alignment stick at 45 degrees and you try and match that at impact. I do this in slow motion and it really makes me turn. I was only 25 degrees or even less. It opened ended my eyes to how much I had to work on it. Great tip to share. Thanks for sharing.
I also lay an alignment stick to check for a 45 degree hip turn at the top of my backswing and while doing that I check that my knees are half of that angle. At first my hips went well beyond 45 degrees and my rear leg was straight. After watching your tips on the backswing Position and torque, I knew I had to work on this as well.
Every time I work on turning to initiate the downswing my arms come flying through before I get halfway through a turn. I can only get about a 3/4 turn because of tightness in my upper torso and shoulders which doesn’t allow me to get the swing deep or high enough to give me the time to turn more before the swing starts. Are there drills/exercises/stretches to loosen up the shoulders or torso?
If you can only coil to 3/4 going back due to a physical limitation then you would be a candidate to either turn the hips a little more or lift the heel a little. You have to weigh going more back with getting more distance.
Some people do restrict the lower body too much which hampers the rotation of the shoulders. If you have such little turn that you can’t get much power then what’s better figuring out how to turn more or getting the coil. At 3/4 back you are not coiled up enough anyway to generate power. I would try turning the hips to make sure they get to atleast 45 degrees going back. I would also check the left knee is not shooting out but instead moving behind the ball as you go back. Watch yourself in a mirror to see if either of these 2 things get you closer to 90 degrees rotation in the backswing.
I reread my comment and I did say 3/4 turn which was an error on my part. I meant a 3/4 backswing, sorry.
I can rotate my shoulders 90 degrees, I just can’t raise my hands above my shoulder hence a 3/4 swing position with the club, maybe slightly more than 1/2 way.
So in your case you can’t physically get the arms higher so you need to make sure you fulling hinge your wrists. If so, you can and will hit the ball a long way with a shorter backswing if you fully hinge.
Here’s a tip that is no exactly what we are talking about but you will see I can still hit it a long way:
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14 Responses to “Drill – Easy Way To Get More Rotation”
September 30, 2018
GordonStoreyHi Paul
Thank you for filming my tip idea.
One more thing: If the aim stick is just secured by the rear belt look – i.e. not protruding too much, one can hit shots with the aim stick in place, so better replicating actual play on the course, and getting the feedback from the rear, vertical shaft.
Thanks
Gordon
October 1, 2018
Paul WilsonGordon,
You’re welcome.
I think that was the general idea. I liked it as I was doing it. Simple and you get feedback.
Right, on the back end is a good idea too.
September 30, 2018
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,Very nice and useful tip .BRIAN CHAMBLEE ,the former pro ,turned TV golf commentator,”invented ” (A too big word in this case) a training aid on this principle a long time ago ..
Asfor me it’s impossible to physically touch the legs ,even when I make a very decent turn of more than 90°:I have two prosthetic knees and the right knee has no “give ” (no flexibility laterally )to get it to touch the front leg ,but I do check that my turn is correct .
To check if the hip turn speed improves ,it would help to measure it .
I tried to measure the speed of the alignment rod you put in your belt with a SSR ,but this speed is too low for the radar to catch it .
I saw somewhere you could use a mobile phone for this purpose
October 1, 2018
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Yes, you can’t measure the speed with any device we have. Yes, there was an app I had a few years ago that did it. Not sure what ever happened to it. I would have to do some digging.
October 1, 2018
JohnKubalaWhen I video my swing from behind and down the line it seems that my upper body and arms don’t rotate left soon enough after impact compared to model swings I have seen. Often after impact and halfway into the follow through the club shaft is almost vertical coming out the top of my head where model swings have the club shaft exiting at shoulder level or lower. I eventually get to the knees together and club behind the neck position but I don’t think I get there in the correct way. Your thoughts please.
October 1, 2018
Paul WilsonJohn,
Right. This is you with tight wrists. I have a tip on it here:
It shows it in these tips:
Follow Through Mistakes – Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-mistakes-club/
Holding Your Lag Angle Too Long?: https://ignitiongolf.com/hold-lag-too-long/
Tight Wrists Equals Wrong Follow Through Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-touch-shaft/
This is why the touch the head positions is so important. So, you need to start working on this asap. This will get you on plane, give you power and consistency.
One Of The Secrets To The Golf Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/secrets-to-golf-swing/
DRILL: Hinge Up and Turn: https://ignitiongolf.com/hinge-up-and-turn/
DRILL: Touch Head In Follow Through: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-touch-head-follow-through/
Pros Are Doing The Same Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/pros-follow-through-position/
When Is Your Swing Over?: https://ignitiongolf.com/swing-club-touching-head/
Stay Relaxed In The Follow Through: https://ignitiongolf.com/stay-relaxed-follow-through/
October 1, 2018
GLENNWISSEThis gives really good feedback. I have done this as well. You can also use it to try and rotate your hips to 45 degrees at the impact position. Lay an alignment stick at 45 degrees and you try and match that at impact. I do this in slow motion and it really makes me turn. I was only 25 degrees or even less. It opened ended my eyes to how much I had to work on it. Great tip to share. Thanks for sharing.
October 2, 2018
Paul WilsonGlenn,
Right. I’m going to have to do another tip on this. Thanks.
October 4, 2018
GLENNWISSEI also lay an alignment stick to check for a 45 degree hip turn at the top of my backswing and while doing that I check that my knees are half of that angle. At first my hips went well beyond 45 degrees and my rear leg was straight. After watching your tips on the backswing Position and torque, I knew I had to work on this as well.
October 4, 2018
Paul WilsonGlenn,
I like that you are trying to understand your own swing then doing the drills. This is what it takes to get it. Keep up the good work.
December 16, 2018
JimBenjaminPaul,
Every time I work on turning to initiate the downswing my arms come flying through before I get halfway through a turn. I can only get about a 3/4 turn because of tightness in my upper torso and shoulders which doesn’t allow me to get the swing deep or high enough to give me the time to turn more before the swing starts. Are there drills/exercises/stretches to loosen up the shoulders or torso?
Thanks, Jim
December 16, 2018
Paul WilsonJim,
If you can only coil to 3/4 going back due to a physical limitation then you would be a candidate to either turn the hips a little more or lift the heel a little. You have to weigh going more back with getting more distance.
Some people do restrict the lower body too much which hampers the rotation of the shoulders. If you have such little turn that you can’t get much power then what’s better figuring out how to turn more or getting the coil. At 3/4 back you are not coiled up enough anyway to generate power. I would try turning the hips to make sure they get to atleast 45 degrees going back. I would also check the left knee is not shooting out but instead moving behind the ball as you go back. Watch yourself in a mirror to see if either of these 2 things get you closer to 90 degrees rotation in the backswing.
December 16, 2018
JimBenjaminI reread my comment and I did say 3/4 turn which was an error on my part. I meant a 3/4 backswing, sorry.
I can rotate my shoulders 90 degrees, I just can’t raise my hands above my shoulder hence a 3/4 swing position with the club, maybe slightly more than 1/2 way.
Jim
December 17, 2018
Paul WilsonJim,
So in your case you can’t physically get the arms higher so you need to make sure you fulling hinge your wrists. If so, you can and will hit the ball a long way with a shorter backswing if you fully hinge.
Here’s a tip that is no exactly what we are talking about but you will see I can still hit it a long way:
Limited Shoulder Turn? Power Is No Problem: https://ignitiongolf.com/limited-shoulder-turn/
Also,
DRILL – Super Short Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-super-short-backswing/