Excellent lesson ,Paul :the “separation”(X factor) ,between the hips and the shoulders is essential to produce the torque you require to generate power (You must also feel tightness in your back muscles to know you have turned back the most you can ).The trick is to start the backswing by turning the left shoulder first (CARL LOHREN’s recommendation )while pushing firmly inwards(towards the target ) with the right instep ,right knee flexed .if your right leg straigthens ,you turn the shoulders more but you lose all the torque…
I find keeping the right leg flexed at the right knee is the most difficult part of the backswing
Great tip. I noticed that you keep your right elbow close to your side during the backswing. Does this help keep the club on plane in the downswing? Additionally I noticed that your setup for the driver is such that you can do the touch the knees position without sliding the right tip of the shoe.. Is that important?
Yes, you don’t want to slide the back foot. If you are your stance is too wide or you are sliding laterally with the back leg trying to catch up. I would narrow the stance and make sure you are locking the lead leg at follow through. Although my back leg is touching it is dropped back about 1 ball width.
Paul ,I understand (I may be wrong ) that the main difference between the “MOE NORMAN” “One Plane swing” and the regular “two Plane Swing “you teach is that in the ” MOE NORMAN swing” ,,at address, the arms are aligned with the club shaft ,they are not hanging verically from the shoulder joints ,but pointing forwards ,away from the body ,whilst in the “Two Plane swing “,the arms hang down vertically from the shoulder joints .Therefore in the MOE NORMAN swing ,the club and arms move in one single plane in the backswing and in the through swing and downswing.
Am I correct when stating the above ?
The MOE NORMAN golf teachers say that this enables you to have a more staight ball flight and a better precision .
I have a two plane swing ,the one you teach ,and I am desperately straight all the time ,it makes my playing partners wondering how I acheive that .
The answer is I don’t know at all why it is so ,except I train quite a lot in front of a window pane(On a average 100 “dry run “swings ) ,each day I don’t play on the golf course,and I watch carefully if I acheive the “positions ”
I tried the MOE NORMAN swing ,it feels very awkward to me and doesn’t bring in any visible benefit .
The top players I see on TV in the tour championships,DUSTIN JOHNSON ,RORY Mc ILROY ,JASON DAY ,KEVIN CHAPPELL ,PHIL MICKELSON,TIGER WOODS, etc,etc… have two plane swings ,so they must be right and MOEBORMAN a very rare exception
No matter how you set up you can never get rid of the angle between the left arm and the clubshaft so regardless of one plane or two you cannot avoid this.
It is physically impossible to swing at 90 degrees to your body throughout the whole swing. If you did, you would be super-flat in the backswing. The closest to this would be Matt Kuchar.
I just find this Moe Norma swing doesn’t hit the ball as far due to lack of hip rotation. I measure Moe hips at impact at 17 degrees rotation which is not enough for a lot of power. The longest hitters have their hips at least 45 degrees at impact.
I too tried this swing. Sure you can get on a roll and hit some straight ones. After I hit balls my arms would be killing me.
The last time I saw Moe he told me he had hit over 4 million balls. So over 4M with the same swing. You bet he was good.
The great majority of the best players of all time were 2 plane that’s on reason I teach it.
Paul ,I totally âgree with your analysis .From THE vidéos I look at OF MOE NORMAN’s swing ,swing I fin d very ugly ,I note That hé didn’t lift much his right Heel in THE downswing/ throughswing .I don’t know if hé did it on purpose or if it was a physical limitation ,but this would explains Why his hips didn’t rotate sufficiently ,hence THE lack OF distance .But. I read hé was asonishlingly accurate .
DUSTIN JOHNSON and RORY Mc ILROY ( He won yesterday THE TOUR CHAMPIONSHIP with this mémorable eagle from134 yards ) are very long but they often lack in précision .So précision vs distance ,who wins in THE long run ?.NICK FALDO ,who I saw playing quite often ,and who was a short hitter ,said That if hé was to start all over a gain ,hé would privilège Distance over Précision .However it was his précision who made him overcome a 6 shot lead OF GREG NORMAN ,a long hitter ,in THE final round OF THE MASTERS ,and win …
I want to firstly say that I am sincerely grateful for this site and your teaching. I’ve only just begun following your method, and despite being a 7.8 HCP I feel like I have SOOO far to go…… it just gets me excited thinking about how much better my game can get!!
Per your prior reply, I’ve reached out to Pete and am in the process of scheduling Skype lessons.
Pertaining to the topic of this tip – I see a VERY large amount of ‘grass’ in DTL video of my swing. I have left knee protruding and right leg straightening.
What are your recommended drills for correcting this? I am finding it a relief to hear you say that this is likely the issue still causing me to hit the ball with my hands and arms! Powerless arms are very very difficult for me to achieve consistently.
I am also still struggling mightily with a massively inside takeaway although I have succeeded in steepening the swing and am releasing the club like a Pro!
Glad you like the site and glad you found us. There are a ton of tips on the site.
Glad you are doing skype lessons. Wish more people would use to help them. Why struggle?
Yes, you should not see the grass. This is not only you doing a reverse pivot but you lose torque. No torque and you will hit with the arms. If so, you will have some good days then bad days. Then you will be scratching your head wondering why you just had it then lost it. This is because you are not basing it on something that repeats. Hitting does not repeat. Torque repeats 100% of the time in life. So this is what you want to be basing your swing on. Coil … uncoil. Let the arms go.
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12 Responses to “Do Not See The Grass”
September 16, 2016
johnhoyleGREETINGS COACH haven’t posted for a while, I’m still here enjoying and learning, I love it.
September 16, 2016
Paul WilsonJohn,
Good to hear you are still working on it and love it.
September 16, 2016
RaymondCHASTELExcellent lesson ,Paul :the “separation”(X factor) ,between the hips and the shoulders is essential to produce the torque you require to generate power (You must also feel tightness in your back muscles to know you have turned back the most you can ).The trick is to start the backswing by turning the left shoulder first (CARL LOHREN’s recommendation )while pushing firmly inwards(towards the target ) with the right instep ,right knee flexed .if your right leg straigthens ,you turn the shoulders more but you lose all the torque…
I find keeping the right leg flexed at the right knee is the most difficult part of the backswing
September 16, 2016
Paul WilsonRaymond,
The right knee is very difficult to keep flexed. I worked on this for a long time in a mirror every night. This is a great way to do it.
September 19, 2016
JohnDanielyCoach Paul,
Great tip. I noticed that you keep your right elbow close to your side during the backswing. Does this help keep the club on plane in the downswing? Additionally I noticed that your setup for the driver is such that you can do the touch the knees position without sliding the right tip of the shoe.. Is that important?
Thanks,
John
September 19, 2016
Paul WilsonJohn,
Your right elbow should be tucked while the left arm is extended. It then moves away from the body from 3/4 to the top.
My plane is flattening the downswing for these 2 reasons:
2 Things Flatten the Plane: https://ignitiongolf.com/2-things-flatten-plane/
Yes, you don’t want to slide the back foot. If you are your stance is too wide or you are sliding laterally with the back leg trying to catch up. I would narrow the stance and make sure you are locking the lead leg at follow through. Although my back leg is touching it is dropped back about 1 ball width.
Watch:
Easy Way to Check Width of Stance: https://ignitiongolf.com/easy-check-width-stance/
September 25, 2016
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,I understand (I may be wrong ) that the main difference between the “MOE NORMAN” “One Plane swing” and the regular “two Plane Swing “you teach is that in the ” MOE NORMAN swing” ,,at address, the arms are aligned with the club shaft ,they are not hanging verically from the shoulder joints ,but pointing forwards ,away from the body ,whilst in the “Two Plane swing “,the arms hang down vertically from the shoulder joints .Therefore in the MOE NORMAN swing ,the club and arms move in one single plane in the backswing and in the through swing and downswing.
Am I correct when stating the above ?
The MOE NORMAN golf teachers say that this enables you to have a more staight ball flight and a better precision .
I have a two plane swing ,the one you teach ,and I am desperately straight all the time ,it makes my playing partners wondering how I acheive that .
The answer is I don’t know at all why it is so ,except I train quite a lot in front of a window pane(On a average 100 “dry run “swings ) ,each day I don’t play on the golf course,and I watch carefully if I acheive the “positions ”
I tried the MOE NORMAN swing ,it feels very awkward to me and doesn’t bring in any visible benefit .
The top players I see on TV in the tour championships,DUSTIN JOHNSON ,RORY Mc ILROY ,JASON DAY ,KEVIN CHAPPELL ,PHIL MICKELSON,TIGER WOODS, etc,etc… have two plane swings ,so they must be right and MOEBORMAN a very rare exception
September 25, 2016
Paul WilsonRaymond,
No matter how you set up you can never get rid of the angle between the left arm and the clubshaft so regardless of one plane or two you cannot avoid this.
It is physically impossible to swing at 90 degrees to your body throughout the whole swing. If you did, you would be super-flat in the backswing. The closest to this would be Matt Kuchar.
I just find this Moe Norma swing doesn’t hit the ball as far due to lack of hip rotation. I measure Moe hips at impact at 17 degrees rotation which is not enough for a lot of power. The longest hitters have their hips at least 45 degrees at impact.
I too tried this swing. Sure you can get on a roll and hit some straight ones. After I hit balls my arms would be killing me.
The last time I saw Moe he told me he had hit over 4 million balls. So over 4M with the same swing. You bet he was good.
The great majority of the best players of all time were 2 plane that’s on reason I teach it.
September 26, 2016
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,I totally âgree with your analysis .From THE vidéos I look at OF MOE NORMAN’s swing ,swing I fin d very ugly ,I note That hé didn’t lift much his right Heel in THE downswing/ throughswing .I don’t know if hé did it on purpose or if it was a physical limitation ,but this would explains Why his hips didn’t rotate sufficiently ,hence THE lack OF distance .But. I read hé was asonishlingly accurate .
DUSTIN JOHNSON and RORY Mc ILROY ( He won yesterday THE TOUR CHAMPIONSHIP with this mémorable eagle from134 yards ) are very long but they often lack in précision .So précision vs distance ,who wins in THE long run ?.NICK FALDO ,who I saw playing quite often ,and who was a short hitter ,said That if hé was to start all over a gain ,hé would privilège Distance over Précision .However it was his précision who made him overcome a 6 shot lead OF GREG NORMAN ,a long hitter ,in THE final round OF THE MASTERS ,and win …
September 28, 2016
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I like distance and consistency.
October 25, 2017
StevenFarberPaul,
I want to firstly say that I am sincerely grateful for this site and your teaching. I’ve only just begun following your method, and despite being a 7.8 HCP I feel like I have SOOO far to go…… it just gets me excited thinking about how much better my game can get!!
Per your prior reply, I’ve reached out to Pete and am in the process of scheduling Skype lessons.
Pertaining to the topic of this tip – I see a VERY large amount of ‘grass’ in DTL video of my swing. I have left knee protruding and right leg straightening.
What are your recommended drills for correcting this? I am finding it a relief to hear you say that this is likely the issue still causing me to hit the ball with my hands and arms! Powerless arms are very very difficult for me to achieve consistently.
I am also still struggling mightily with a massively inside takeaway although I have succeeded in steepening the swing and am releasing the club like a Pro!
Best,
Steve
October 25, 2017
Paul WilsonSteven,
Glad you like the site and glad you found us. There are a ton of tips on the site.
Glad you are doing skype lessons. Wish more people would use to help them. Why struggle?
Yes, you should not see the grass. This is not only you doing a reverse pivot but you lose torque. No torque and you will hit with the arms. If so, you will have some good days then bad days. Then you will be scratching your head wondering why you just had it then lost it. This is because you are not basing it on something that repeats. Hitting does not repeat. Torque repeats 100% of the time in life. So this is what you want to be basing your swing on. Coil … uncoil. Let the arms go.
You need to watch the tips below:
Pros Know Its A Tight Coil: https://ignitiongolf.com/pros-know-tight-coil/
Let’s Go Surfing: https://ignitiongolf.com/lets-go-surfing/
Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/turning-hips/
How To Feel Stability In The Lower Body (back knee flex) https://ignitiongolf.com/lower-body-stability/
Flex Back Knee: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-back-knee/
Those should give you some idea. Do the drill below as you warm up or at home:
DRILL: Helicopter: https://ignitiongolf.com/important-warm-drill/
DRILL: Helicopter 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/learning-to-coil/
Follow these for the takeaway:
One Piece Takeaway: https://ignitiongolf.com/master-one-piece-takeaway/
One-Piece Takeaway Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/one-piece-takeaway-drill/
Takeaway – Watch Grooves Going Back: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-grooves-going-back/