I am making progress. I now have to get back to the standing tall. I have been hitting pretty fast but breaking tees every time. I assume this is not good. Any suggestions?
Would thinking of turning your right shoulder under your chin help with the coil turn?
PS I got all of your description on this first of the series and a nice “selfie” of you but no movement. I will check my set-up and thought you might want to check yours.
]JUNE
There is nothing wrong with the site and the playback of the videos. If you are having a problem it is your computer or connection speed in your area. Just try them on another device and you will see they play just fine.
Breaking tees means nothing. Some people break them others do not. Now if you are breaking the tee and hitting the ground that would be a problem getting ahead of the ball and skying it.
I’m not sure why you would be coiling your right shoulder. You should be coiling your left shoulder under your chin going back. A tall set up helps with this. Also, you can turn your back to the target as you go back as a way to coil back.
I am hitting the center of the face because I am basing my swing on things in life that repeat 100% of the time. These 2 things are torque (coiling) and forces (powerless arms).
If you are trying to increase you hip speed you will not be consistent. This is because you are not good at it. So you need to make a decision. Do you want more power or are you comfortable with how far you are hitting it? If you want more power work on the things that increase your power then work on making it consistent. You do so by getting used to driving the legs and hips that hard and perfecting the wrist release.
Also, keep in mind your release is timed to your current body rotation. If you turn only your body a lot faster, your clubface will be late and you will blow it right. Before driving your lower body faster you need to hook it. Once you get it hooking (by purposely rolling your wrists) you then add a faster body rotation to straighten it out.
I did a tip on what happens when you increase only the leg drive here:
Actually somehow did this Wed. on last two holes, more or less wide open drives. Out drove playing partner with whom I had been hitting the same distance all day long, by 30 yards.
Very good. Now that you have seen that you can do it, keep working on increasing your body rotation and loosening the wrists. Make sure you are doing the practice swings in the backyard off the ground. If you constantly do this you will get really good and firing the lower body.
I have been working on this a lot recently, based on your earlier Tips and specifically using the practice drill of turning the hips fast with the club at the top, while not dropping the arms. Just snapping the hips around.That has helped me a lot.
But, an interesting thing…I notice often in this drill, even though my arms are powerless (they’re not dropping. I’m not trying to hit anything.) that my shoulders want to come around, at least some, with the hip snap. I can snap the hips around without moving the arms hardly at all, but that’s not what happens naturally. I will continue to work on making that “natural.” But I have a couple of questions:
So my first question is “any other exercises to “disconnect the upper and lower body” so that the lower body “uncoils under the arms” and they come a little later than what they seem to want to do naturally?
Second question is how can I increase the speed of powerless arms if they are left behind by hips turning too fast and all my shots are pushing off to the left?
The arms are not dropping because you are shifting your weight too soon to the forward leg. Plus you are using physics of mass moving around an axis so if yours is not dropping you are not do it quite right.
If you immediately shift to the left leg in the downswing you will be leaning left in the downswing. Lean left and you will hit it left. I just did a tip on manually tilting right if you cannot get this. So manually tilt then work on touching the legs:
There is a length in everyone’s clubs where you get diminished returns meaning you clubs can be to long. If the club is too long your release will be late. Not sure if this is happening in your case. It may very well be that gripping down allows you to gain a little more control so you hit closer to the sweet spot. Gripping down plus the shaft you have in that club may optimize the kick of the club. Maybe gripping down gives you a better feel and more confidence.
So there could be many reasons for this. I would try other drivers and potentially get fitted so you can determine the right length and shaft for your swing.
I am so sorry….It was too late at night or too much turkey…Please change the stated direction in my second question from “left” to “right.” That, probably, will change all your recommendations. Sorry, I don’t know what I was thinking.
I already answered this with the push to the right correction. There are a ton of links in the reply so it may be in your spam folder. Check there or visit the tip and scroll down to see my reply.
HELP! I have been playing consistent golf with your teaching but just recently for some reason I am not getting the separation with my hips from upper body and my upper body is taking over in some shots Don’t know how to fix this should I be driving harder with legs?
Paul,
Please could you explain the role of the arms in downswing. Do the arms simply fall down in front of your body and then you clear your hips by driving your legs?
Your body s moving your arms. This is because they are attached to your body. You role is to not hit or help the shot in any way with your arms. This is what I teach. This is powerless arms.
So your arms are not just falling down. This is a quick way to get people to try to not come over the top. The problem is you only have 1/4 of a second from the top to impact. If you are dropping your arms when are you using your lower body. If your arms are connected to your body and you turn your body your arms will move. So why not keep the arms turned off and use your body to move them? If you have to drop the arms for a while to turn them off I am fine with it but at some point you have to learn how to hit it with your body otherwise you won’t hit it anywhere.
Paul,We touched on this subject before but you said teaching this move was too difficult for the average golfer .
M’y question addresses the move which some (Not all ) better Pro’s do at the beginning of the downswing :I mean lowering the body when starting the downswing .
It’s very apparent in vidéos of BEN HOGAN and Some of today’s Pro’s.
Should I try to incorporate this move in m’y swing ?
Conversely ,when I Watch RORY Mc ILROY ,at the end of his throughswing ,hé raises the upper body as if hé was going to take off ,like an aéroplane !
I am not saying this is too hard for the average golfer. I teach them to do it every day. Turning the arms off is hard for the average golfer. People want to hit. I need the arms turned off. If people cannot instantly turn their arms off I want them manually doing the positions. Once they do the positions and build a great swing then can then work on turning the arms off.
Forget lowering the body. Lowering the body occurs with the right fundamentals. I have never ever thought of doing this yet I do it. Just work on your grip, setup, follow through and backswing as I suggest. Know them. Feel them. Make them perfect. If you do you will have an awesome swing.
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23 Responses to “Distance Series – Turn Faster”
November 27, 2014
TomHappy Thanksgiving Paul and team!
November 27, 2014
johnhoyleGreetings Coach Im with Tom / Hope you had a great day
November 28, 2014
FernandoFernandesHi Paul, I´m playing for 2 1/2 years, and I´m doing ok because of you, thanks.
November 28, 2014
Paul WilsonFernando,
Glad you are doing well. Keep up the good work.
November 28, 2014
JuneBiggeI am making progress. I now have to get back to the standing tall. I have been hitting pretty fast but breaking tees every time. I assume this is not good. Any suggestions?
Would thinking of turning your right shoulder under your chin help with the coil turn?
PS I got all of your description on this first of the series and a nice “selfie” of you but no movement. I will check my set-up and thought you might want to check yours.
]JUNE
November 28, 2014
Paul WilsonJune,
There is nothing wrong with the site and the playback of the videos. If you are having a problem it is your computer or connection speed in your area. Just try them on another device and you will see they play just fine.
Breaking tees means nothing. Some people break them others do not. Now if you are breaking the tee and hitting the ground that would be a problem getting ahead of the ball and skying it.
If you are skying it watch this tip:
Skying: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-skying
I’m not sure why you would be coiling your right shoulder. You should be coiling your left shoulder under your chin going back. A tall set up helps with this. Also, you can turn your back to the target as you go back as a way to coil back.
The Right Way To Turn Your Back to the Target: https://ignitiongolf.com/back-to-target-right-way/
November 28, 2014
HermanKohHi Paul,
I notice irregardless of how fast you turn your hips to generate more power you always hit the ball at the center of the clubface.
My problem is that when I start turning faster it starts to impact all over the clubface thus causing all sorts of direction and distance problem.
Is there a specific technique/drill to solve this problem?
Thanks.
Herman
November 28, 2014
Paul WilsonHerman,
I am hitting the center of the face because I am basing my swing on things in life that repeat 100% of the time. These 2 things are torque (coiling) and forces (powerless arms).
If you are trying to increase you hip speed you will not be consistent. This is because you are not good at it. So you need to make a decision. Do you want more power or are you comfortable with how far you are hitting it? If you want more power work on the things that increase your power then work on making it consistent. You do so by getting used to driving the legs and hips that hard and perfecting the wrist release.
Also, keep in mind your release is timed to your current body rotation. If you turn only your body a lot faster, your clubface will be late and you will blow it right. Before driving your lower body faster you need to hook it. Once you get it hooking (by purposely rolling your wrists) you then add a faster body rotation to straighten it out.
I did a tip on what happens when you increase only the leg drive here:
Release Progression: https://ignitiongolf.com/release-progression/
November 28, 2014
JuleHerbertActually somehow did this Wed. on last two holes, more or less wide open drives. Out drove playing partner with whom I had been hitting the same distance all day long, by 30 yards.
November 28, 2014
Paul WilsonJule,
Very good. Now that you have seen that you can do it, keep working on increasing your body rotation and loosening the wrists. Make sure you are doing the practice swings in the backyard off the ground. If you constantly do this you will get really good and firing the lower body.
November 28, 2014
BillFreemanHi Paul,
I have been working on this a lot recently, based on your earlier Tips and specifically using the practice drill of turning the hips fast with the club at the top, while not dropping the arms. Just snapping the hips around.That has helped me a lot.
But, an interesting thing…I notice often in this drill, even though my arms are powerless (they’re not dropping. I’m not trying to hit anything.) that my shoulders want to come around, at least some, with the hip snap. I can snap the hips around without moving the arms hardly at all, but that’s not what happens naturally. I will continue to work on making that “natural.” But I have a couple of questions:
So my first question is “any other exercises to “disconnect the upper and lower body” so that the lower body “uncoils under the arms” and they come a little later than what they seem to want to do naturally?
Second question is how can I increase the speed of powerless arms if they are left behind by hips turning too fast and all my shots are pushing off to the left?
Thanks in advance,
Bill
November 28, 2014
Paul WilsonBill,
The arms are not dropping because you are shifting your weight too soon to the forward leg. Plus you are using physics of mass moving around an axis so if yours is not dropping you are not do it quite right.
If you immediately shift to the left leg in the downswing you will be leaning left in the downswing. Lean left and you will hit it left. I just did a tip on manually tilting right if you cannot get this. So manually tilt then work on touching the legs:
Cures – Manually Tilt To Stop Pulling: https://ignitiongolf.com/manually-tilt-cure-pull/
Body Tilt – Left Right: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling
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I have tons of drill on increasing the speed of the hips. I hope you are doing my favorite drill every night:
DRILL: Swing Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-off-ground/
DRILL: My Favorite Drill – Variation 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/favorite-drill-variation-2/
DRILL: Swing Off Ground Variation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-variation-favorite-drill/
DRILL: Listen to Club Swinging: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-listen-to-club/
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Here are the others:
DRILL: How To Get Faster Hip Rotation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-faster-hip-rotation/
DRILL: Hips To Target Feeling: https://ignitiongolf.com/hips-to-target-feeling/
DRILL: Lift Heel For 2 Weeks: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lift-heel-2-weeks/
DRILL: Lift Then Hit: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lift-hit/
DRILL: Belt Buckle Clubhead: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-belt-buckle-clubhead
DRILL: Firing Legs in Downswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-knee-ball-power
DRILL: Move Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-hips-moving
DRILL: Advanced – Driving Hips Check: https://ignitiongolf.com/driving-hips-check/
DRILL: Faster Hip Rotation (UST): https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-faster-hip-rotation/
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Question 2:
Your ball would not be pushing left if you drove the hips too hard it would be pushing right. I did a tip on this here:
Release Progression: https://ignitiongolf.com/release-progression/
November 28, 2014
JohnSteenHi,
I do often experience longer shots when I grip down 4-5 cm on the driver.
Do you have a tips on why this occur ?
John
November 28, 2014
Paul WilsonJohn,
There is a length in everyone’s clubs where you get diminished returns meaning you clubs can be to long. If the club is too long your release will be late. Not sure if this is happening in your case. It may very well be that gripping down allows you to gain a little more control so you hit closer to the sweet spot. Gripping down plus the shaft you have in that club may optimize the kick of the club. Maybe gripping down gives you a better feel and more confidence.
So there could be many reasons for this. I would try other drivers and potentially get fitted so you can determine the right length and shaft for your swing.
November 28, 2014
BillFreemanPaul,
I am so sorry….It was too late at night or too much turkey…Please change the stated direction in my second question from “left” to “right.” That, probably, will change all your recommendations. Sorry, I don’t know what I was thinking.
Thank you.
Bill
November 28, 2014
Paul WilsonBill,
I already answered this with the push to the right correction. There are a ton of links in the reply so it may be in your spam folder. Check there or visit the tip and scroll down to see my reply.
December 1, 2014
paulelliottHi Paul,
HELP! I have been playing consistent golf with your teaching but just recently for some reason I am not getting the separation with my hips from upper body and my upper body is taking over in some shots Don’t know how to fix this should I be driving harder with legs?
December 3, 2014
Paul WilsonPaul,
Separation is what separates the men from the boys. You need to be constantly working on this until you master it.
Separation: https://ignitiongolf.com/separation
Do these drills nightly:
DRILL: Swing Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-off-ground
DRILL: My Favorite Drill – Variation 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/favorite-drill-variation-2/
DRILL: Swing Off Ground Variation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-variation-favorite-drill/
DRILL: Listen to Club Swinging: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-listen-to-club
DRILL: How To Get Faster Hip Rotation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-faster-hip-rotation/
Hips To Target Feeling: https://ignitiongolf.com/hips-to-target-feeling/
DRILL Lift Heel For 2 Weeks: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lift-heel-2-weeks/
DRILL Lift Then Hit: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lift-hit/
DRILL: Belt Buckle Clubhead: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-belt-buckle-clubhead
DRILL: Firing Legs in Downswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-knee-ball-power
DRILL: Move Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-hips-moving
Advanced – Driving Hips Check: https://ignitiongolf.com/driving-hips-check/
DRILL: Faster Hip Rotation (UST): https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-faster-hip-rotation/
December 2, 2014
paulelliottPaul,
Please could you explain the role of the arms in downswing. Do the arms simply fall down in front of your body and then you clear your hips by driving your legs?
December 3, 2014
Paul WilsonPaul,
Your body s moving your arms. This is because they are attached to your body. You role is to not hit or help the shot in any way with your arms. This is what I teach. This is powerless arms.
So your arms are not just falling down. This is a quick way to get people to try to not come over the top. The problem is you only have 1/4 of a second from the top to impact. If you are dropping your arms when are you using your lower body. If your arms are connected to your body and you turn your body your arms will move. So why not keep the arms turned off and use your body to move them? If you have to drop the arms for a while to turn them off I am fine with it but at some point you have to learn how to hit it with your body otherwise you won’t hit it anywhere.
Watch:
What Is Powerless Arms?: https://ignitiongolf.com/what-is-powerless-arms/
Why You Can’t Stop Hitting With Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-hitting-with-arms/
Powerless Arms Test: https://ignitiongolf.com/powerless-arms-test/
Powerless Arms – The Trust Factor: https://ignitiongolf.com/the-trust-factor/
How To Get Powerless Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-get-powerless-arms/
December 4, 2014
paulelliottthanks again Paul, keep up the good work
December 6, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul,We touched on this subject before but you said teaching this move was too difficult for the average golfer .
M’y question addresses the move which some (Not all ) better Pro’s do at the beginning of the downswing :I mean lowering the body when starting the downswing .
It’s very apparent in vidéos of BEN HOGAN and Some of today’s Pro’s.
Should I try to incorporate this move in m’y swing ?
Conversely ,when I Watch RORY Mc ILROY ,at the end of his throughswing ,hé raises the upper body as if hé was going to take off ,like an aéroplane !
December 7, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I am not saying this is too hard for the average golfer. I teach them to do it every day. Turning the arms off is hard for the average golfer. People want to hit. I need the arms turned off. If people cannot instantly turn their arms off I want them manually doing the positions. Once they do the positions and build a great swing then can then work on turning the arms off.
Forget lowering the body. Lowering the body occurs with the right fundamentals. I have never ever thought of doing this yet I do it. Just work on your grip, setup, follow through and backswing as I suggest. Know them. Feel them. Make them perfect. If you do you will have an awesome swing.