Paul I m having trouble swinging down with the driver. Any ideas? I don’t do this all the time but have some ball marks on top fo the driver & fairway metals.
You only have one swing. This swing should be working for all clubs. Not being able to hit the driver is telling me you are tying to hit it way too hard. First you need to be slowing down and loosening up your wrists. This means you arms are powerless. You are then hitting the ball by coiling and uncoiling your body.
Great tip Paul. Would have loved to see the down the line view of this one. What cue do you use to insure the shaft is parallel to your target line at the top? Cannot see that in the mirror. Thanks.
Sure you can. You just turn so the mirror is off your right side. I used to do this every night.
You can also focus on where the shaft is at the top relative to an alignment stick on the ground. Just take it to the top and match it up.
You should be going back until you feel a tight coil. Once you feel the coil you are at the top. At this very moment you apply your downswing trigger. The only way it is going to cross the line at the top is by pulling it back with the back hand, take the club to deep, straightening the back knee, turning the hips too much etc. Everyone I have seen how crossing the line does so by pushing it across with the back hand (right for righties). This is tough to fix. I have done a couple of tips on it here:
Ideally, the club should be swinging back with the shoulder rotation. It hinges because the wrists are loose not because you are manually hinging it. The hinging action of course has to be worked on. Once people work on it, it should be happening due to the momentum of the club swinging back. So the pendulum effect would be applicable.
My problem is the ball flies very low so that it never goes as far as it could. My pitching wedge and sand wedge shots are better. i’m not topping my shots and i believe it is the relaxed swing you advocate, because everything has improved, but this lack of altitude is costing me distance.
If your ball is flying low you are de-lofting your club. This is usually due to a strong grip and your hand too far ahead of the ball.
Please check this. Search in the red nav bar: SWING TIPS > FULL SWING > GRIP then make sure you setup up with your hands just slightly left of your belt buckle if you are right handed with irons. Driver may have your hands behind the ball.
Hi Paul;
I wrote with in the past few days with a short swing issue, & I was also concerned about being too flat. This tip is exactly what I needed to resolve this issue. I’m extremely glad I joined your site. Your tips cover most any issue we might be having & your teaching style is better than most public teaching pros.
i have been trying your swing for about two weeks now. I am able to get powerless arms only for a few swings it feels effortless but the ball only travels a about 60% of my distance. My club at the top of the back swing is not on top of my head to do this i feel like my right elbow separates from my body too much is that ok? also tip for swaying..?
So you are swinging a completely different way with no arms and you are already at 60% of your best shot. Sounds good to me. Keep doing it until you are good at it. Once you have kept the arms out a little longer you speed up ONLY by driving your legs harder. If you try to do this now, you will add your arms as well and this will be a total waste of time.
Your description is telling me you care about distance. This is the wrong mind-set right now. I guarantee you have hit one shot in your life 30-50 yards farther than any other shot you ever hit and you did it with a feeling of “nothing.” So you hit one or two shots better than any other shot with a feeling of nothing why would you not want this nothing feeling on every shot? Right now you have the nothing feeling. You just have not gotten the power coming from the legs yet. So you need to be doing these drills every night at home:
I have been a member for about 2 years. I joined because I am a golf coach at my HS and wanted to be a more effective coach. My biggest struggle is with the beginning golfers. I have watched the videos and I am beginning to work through everything with them.
I started with grip and stance and have followed the videos as I am trying to teach them. Do you have any advice on how to best help students who have never touched a golf club before?
My goal is that I give them a taste of what your product has to offer and that they become members!
I also put all related tips to the lessons right below each tip. This should cover everything.
Thanks for the promo and good luck with the kids in the future. You get them doing my positions and they will win. They are young so they should get it really quick.
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17 Responses to “Where The Club Should Be At The Top”
May 9, 2014
LouisBondPaul I m having trouble swinging down with the driver. Any ideas? I don’t do this all the time but have some ball marks on top fo the driver & fairway metals.
May 10, 2014
Paul WilsonLouis,
You are hitting the driver with your arms In doing so you are getting ahead of it producing sky marks on your club:
Skying: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-skying
You only have one swing. This swing should be working for all clubs. Not being able to hit the driver is telling me you are tying to hit it way too hard. First you need to be slowing down and loosening up your wrists. This means you arms are powerless. You are then hitting the ball by coiling and uncoiling your body.
Coiling: https://ignitiongolf.com/learn-coil-backswing
Shoulder Rotation
May 9, 2014
ThomasLoftusGreat tip Paul. Would have loved to see the down the line view of this one. What cue do you use to insure the shaft is parallel to your target line at the top? Cannot see that in the mirror. Thanks.
May 10, 2014
Paul WilsonTom,
Sure you can. You just turn so the mirror is off your right side. I used to do this every night.
You can also focus on where the shaft is at the top relative to an alignment stick on the ground. Just take it to the top and match it up.
You should be going back until you feel a tight coil. Once you feel the coil you are at the top. At this very moment you apply your downswing trigger. The only way it is going to cross the line at the top is by pulling it back with the back hand, take the club to deep, straightening the back knee, turning the hips too much etc. Everyone I have seen how crossing the line does so by pushing it across with the back hand (right for righties). This is tough to fix. I have done a couple of tips on it here:
Crossing the Line: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-crossing-the-line
How To Stop Crossing the Line: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-crossing-the-line/
May 10, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,if you assimilate the arm+ club to a pendulum ,letting gravit y swing the club ,getting the club high over the head makes sens
May 11, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
Ideally, the club should be swinging back with the shoulder rotation. It hinges because the wrists are loose not because you are manually hinging it. The hinging action of course has to be worked on. Once people work on it, it should be happening due to the momentum of the club swinging back. So the pendulum effect would be applicable.
May 14, 2014
terrybadgerMy problem is the ball flies very low so that it never goes as far as it could. My pitching wedge and sand wedge shots are better. i’m not topping my shots and i believe it is the relaxed swing you advocate, because everything has improved, but this lack of altitude is costing me distance.
May 14, 2014
Paul WilsonTerry,
If your ball is flying low you are de-lofting your club. This is usually due to a strong grip and your hand too far ahead of the ball.
Please check this. Search in the red nav bar: SWING TIPS > FULL SWING > GRIP then make sure you setup up with your hands just slightly left of your belt buckle if you are right handed with irons. Driver may have your hands behind the ball.
Hand Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/hand-position-at-address
Watch:
Hit Ball Higher: https://ignitiongolf.com/shot-hit-higher
June 4, 2014
MichaelRodrickHi Paul;
I wrote with in the past few days with a short swing issue, & I was also concerned about being too flat. This tip is exactly what I needed to resolve this issue. I’m extremely glad I joined your site. Your tips cover most any issue we might be having & your teaching style is better than most public teaching pros.
August 31, 2014
RodrigoRuizHi paul,
i have been trying your swing for about two weeks now. I am able to get powerless arms only for a few swings it feels effortless but the ball only travels a about 60% of my distance. My club at the top of the back swing is not on top of my head to do this i feel like my right elbow separates from my body too much is that ok? also tip for swaying..?
thanks
Rodrigo
September 1, 2014
Paul WilsonRodrigo,
So you are swinging a completely different way with no arms and you are already at 60% of your best shot. Sounds good to me. Keep doing it until you are good at it. Once you have kept the arms out a little longer you speed up ONLY by driving your legs harder. If you try to do this now, you will add your arms as well and this will be a total waste of time.
Your description is telling me you care about distance. This is the wrong mind-set right now. I guarantee you have hit one shot in your life 30-50 yards farther than any other shot you ever hit and you did it with a feeling of “nothing.” So you hit one or two shots better than any other shot with a feeling of nothing why would you not want this nothing feeling on every shot? Right now you have the nothing feeling. You just have not gotten the power coming from the legs yet. So you need to be doing these drills every night at home:
DRILL: Listen to Club Swinging: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-listen-to-club
DRILL: Swing Up with Driver: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-up-driver/
DRILL Lift Heel For 2 Weeks: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lift-heel-2-weeks/
These drills will work on increasing our leg drive.
Watch:
Playing Catch Up: https://ignitiongolf.com/playing-catch-up/
And:
More In the Tank https://ignitiongolf.com/more-in-tank/
Here is how to set the backswing:
3 Ways to Set The Top of the Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-top-3-ways
And the elbow:
Elbow Position Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/elbow-position-backswing
September 1, 2014
RodrigoRuizThanks Paul great advice and awesome drills
September 1, 2014
Paul WilsonRodrigo,
Great. This shouldn’t take you that long to set the top properly. Stay focused on this for a while until you set it without thinking about it.
March 26, 2016
TonyMerrellPaul,
I have been a member for about 2 years. I joined because I am a golf coach at my HS and wanted to be a more effective coach. My biggest struggle is with the beginning golfers. I have watched the videos and I am beginning to work through everything with them.
I started with grip and stance and have followed the videos as I am trying to teach them. Do you have any advice on how to best help students who have never touched a golf club before?
My goal is that I give them a taste of what your product has to offer and that they become members!
Thank you for your time.
March 27, 2016
Paul WilsonTony,
I teach all golfers the same way. You can go to the page below and just go through each of the lessons.
https://ignitiongolf.com/start-here/
I also put all related tips to the lessons right below each tip. This should cover everything.
Thanks for the promo and good luck with the kids in the future. You get them doing my positions and they will win. They are young so they should get it really quick.
Let me know if you have questions.
January 16, 2019
jmccarthyHow fast should a 7 iron be swinging for an average 50 year flexible old man?
January 16, 2019
Paul WilsonJim,
Here are the trackman tour stats for all clubs. You would obviously be less:
https://blog.trackmangolf.com/trackman-average-tour-stats/