Paul, that was a terrific tip. I never thought about the alignment stick on the ground and the club being parallel. I’m sure that applies to driving and hitting with a fairway club.
An exhaustive review OF what to do and not to do IN the early most important stage OF the backswing,but this does not guarantee ,Even if done properly ,That the club position at the top OF the backswing is OK :IN my case I slghtly cross the Line ,meaning the club at the top OF the backswing is orientated towards the right ( I Check this IN a mirror ) .You told me I was “probably overrotating at 3/4 back “or having a too active right hand .However I must be compensating somewhere IN the downswing because m’y shots are 90% straight ,with the rare “push ” due to the ” crossing the Line .
If “overrotating ” why is it Bad since to buld up energy for the swing I try to force the rotation the most possible :I see most top Pros have a big rotation back also!
I am not saying it guarantees anything. People always find a way of messing things up.
If you are crossing the line at the top I know for a fact your right hand is too strong at the top. It is activating and pushing it across the line.
It is bad if you lose torque over-rotating. If you turn your shoulders 110 but your hips move 65 you do not get a tight coil so you lose the spring-like effect. You can turn your shoulders 120 degrees if you want but you hips need to coil half, knees half of that.
Paul ,Do you intentionally stop or “block “the rotation of the hips going back ?
I do feel a “stretch “between hips and shoulders when I go back ,so I suppose I have the proper “X”factor .
I “loosen my right hand completely when raising the arms to the top .Whatever ,the end result is fairly good :all my shots playing this morning my round of golf were very straight .
You should be keeping the lower body stable as you go back. The shoulder will pull the hips into position. You cannot turn the shoulders back to 90 degrees without your hips moving approx. half that amount. So you are keeping the lower body stable. You are turning back your shoulders knowing full well they will move your hips and knees into the correct position.
It is not necessarily a loosening of the right hand. It is a feeling of it not activating. Just focus intently on it and see if you are increasing its pressure.
Hi Paul;
Glad I saw this one! I was definitely taking it back inside with my arms, but I don’t know if it’ll make any difference because I haven’t tried it yet.
I too am glad I found this tip. Pete did a video analysis for me a few months ago and one thing he noticed was a two piece takeaway with fanning the club open as I started back. This is the only tip I found that actually talked about fanning it open. I have found that when I am concentrating on the one piece takeaway, that I “feel” I am hooding the face going back. I suppose this is because I was so used to fanning it open. The other feeling I get is that my right hand (bottom) is staying outside of my left hand going back. Also Pete told me my swing looked a little flat at the top, but I am not pulling it inside or crossing the line at the top. Will the one piece takeaway help to get my swing more upright as well?
Fanning it open is a big problem as it may lead the face to be open at the top plus it will activate your arms in the early stages of your swing. Here are all the tips on the takeaway that may help. Yes, it will feel like you are hooding it if you were fanning it open.
This may help you get the club up but really you need to lift it up. Once you do it will go up there without thinking about it. Just feel like you are dropping a grapefruit from your right armpit as you get to 3/4 back. If you are too flat you are dropping a grape. Think grapefruit. Watch:
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10 Responses to “Cause and Effect – Takeaway”
September 28, 2014
KennthBovaPaul, that was a terrific tip. I never thought about the alignment stick on the ground and the club being parallel. I’m sure that applies to driving and hitting with a fairway club.
September 29, 2014
Paul WilsonKenneth,
Yes, this is huge. You need to be putting the stick down all the time when you practice.
Watch:
How To Put Down an Alignment Stick Properly: https://ignitiongolf.com/alignment-stick-placement/
Change Clubs Change Alignment: https://ignitiongolf.com/change-clubs-change-alignment/
How To Get Perfect Alignment On the Course: https://ignitiongolf.com/perfect-alignment-on-course/
You only have one swing so yes, it applies.
September 28, 2014
RaymondCHASTELAn exhaustive review OF what to do and not to do IN the early most important stage OF the backswing,but this does not guarantee ,Even if done properly ,That the club position at the top OF the backswing is OK :IN my case I slghtly cross the Line ,meaning the club at the top OF the backswing is orientated towards the right ( I Check this IN a mirror ) .You told me I was “probably overrotating at 3/4 back “or having a too active right hand .However I must be compensating somewhere IN the downswing because m’y shots are 90% straight ,with the rare “push ” due to the ” crossing the Line .
If “overrotating ” why is it Bad since to buld up energy for the swing I try to force the rotation the most possible :I see most top Pros have a big rotation back also!
September 29, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I am not saying it guarantees anything. People always find a way of messing things up.
If you are crossing the line at the top I know for a fact your right hand is too strong at the top. It is activating and pushing it across the line.
It is bad if you lose torque over-rotating. If you turn your shoulders 110 but your hips move 65 you do not get a tight coil so you lose the spring-like effect. You can turn your shoulders 120 degrees if you want but you hips need to coil half, knees half of that.
September 30, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,Do you intentionally stop or “block “the rotation of the hips going back ?
I do feel a “stretch “between hips and shoulders when I go back ,so I suppose I have the proper “X”factor .
I “loosen my right hand completely when raising the arms to the top .Whatever ,the end result is fairly good :all my shots playing this morning my round of golf were very straight .
September 30, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
You should be keeping the lower body stable as you go back. The shoulder will pull the hips into position. You cannot turn the shoulders back to 90 degrees without your hips moving approx. half that amount. So you are keeping the lower body stable. You are turning back your shoulders knowing full well they will move your hips and knees into the correct position.
It is not necessarily a loosening of the right hand. It is a feeling of it not activating. Just focus intently on it and see if you are increasing its pressure.
September 29, 2014
MichaelRodrickHi Paul;
Glad I saw this one! I was definitely taking it back inside with my arms, but I don’t know if it’ll make any difference because I haven’t tried it yet.
September 29, 2014
Paul WilsonMichael,
Glad you found it. Just keep checking every position and make sure it is right. Sum of all this stuff is a great swing.
January 8, 2016
WilliamPotterPaul,
I too am glad I found this tip. Pete did a video analysis for me a few months ago and one thing he noticed was a two piece takeaway with fanning the club open as I started back. This is the only tip I found that actually talked about fanning it open. I have found that when I am concentrating on the one piece takeaway, that I “feel” I am hooding the face going back. I suppose this is because I was so used to fanning it open. The other feeling I get is that my right hand (bottom) is staying outside of my left hand going back. Also Pete told me my swing looked a little flat at the top, but I am not pulling it inside or crossing the line at the top. Will the one piece takeaway help to get my swing more upright as well?
January 9, 2016
Paul WilsonWilliam,
Fanning it open is a big problem as it may lead the face to be open at the top plus it will activate your arms in the early stages of your swing. Here are all the tips on the takeaway that may help. Yes, it will feel like you are hooding it if you were fanning it open.
One Piece Takeaway: https://ignitiongolf.com/master-one-piece-takeaway/
One-Piece Takeaway Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/one-piece-takeaway-drill/
DRILL: Half back and up: https://ignitiongolf.com/half-back-and-up/
DRILL: Takeaway and Up: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-takeaway-and-up/
DRILL: Takeaway Butt First: https://ignitiongolf.com/one-piece-takeaway-drill/
This may help you get the club up but really you need to lift it up. Once you do it will go up there without thinking about it. Just feel like you are dropping a grapefruit from your right armpit as you get to 3/4 back. If you are too flat you are dropping a grape. Think grapefruit. Watch:
Too Flat: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-are-you-too-flat/
Elbow Position Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/elbow-position-backswing/
Takeaway – Watch Grooves Going Back: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-grooves-going-back/