Dear Master Paul
Thank you for your timely perfect bonus tip.
It really cleared up my question regarding how much effort needed to achieve “look-like effortless swing”.
I wil try to concentrate my energy to build a lower body swing.
One question arose though about how to syncronise my arm swing speed.
The faster I uncoil my lower body, does my arms catch up with the lower ?
Your previous tip says arm rotation quickly to purposely create low hooking shots then faster lower body. I kind of understand your meanings hopefully but don’t know
if intentional movement of upper body ruins my lower body movement on the learing process.
Best regards
Yoshiharu Morozumi a japanese golfer.
When you switch to the body you are not thinking about rolling it. You are turning them back off. Your arms are connected to your body. Turn your body and your arms will move down. So relax the upper and try to not use the arms to hit the ball. If you have trained the early release the addition of faster body rotation will straighten it out.
Hi Paul, really great tips and my body swing is improving clearly. One question, when I look at my own swing on video I see that I tend to strech my right leg. Do you have any specific drills, tips to stabilize the legs during the back swing.
Paul….2nd round with new swing you teach produced significant distance increase…. one club difference in irons and regular 25 yard increase in my old 225 drives….even hit one 282 which I haven’t done in over 10 years….good stuff….I even hit a bunker shot stiff so thanks for that tip as well….good stuff
Your body swing method is getting me in trouble I am hitting my ball either into the foursomes in front of me or over their heads and as a added bonus I am not as tired after a round
Paul, I am new to the body swing but like it a lot. I am a 69 year old over the topper, so I am keen to get into a new swing. I have used an app on I phone to measure my hip rotation speed and it currently maxes out at around 350 deg per second. Do you know how fast your hips open in deg per second terms.
After one week of study I can see great improvements, I only slipped back into bad habits a couple of times in my last round.
Best regards
Glad to have you on board. Take it one step at a time and do no get confused with all the tips on the site. Use them in conjunction with The Body Swing.
What is the name of the app. I had one a long time ago. Can’t remember my numbers or what it was called. I have a Samsung phone so hopefully they have an android app too.
Paul, I’m in the final phase of physical therapy for a right knee replacement and I’m working this turn into my therapy. I had two bad knees for 30 years, had the left knee dome 6 years ago and now the right. I didn’t know how to turn. Of course I was bumping and then trying to turn and I would stall and flip. Now that I know what to do, thanks to you, I’m able to make the turn. I just find myself getting out of balance, usually falling forward towards the ball. I will continue to work on it. I have a tall torso and a shorter lower body which doesn’t help. I’m 6’2″, 300 lbs but am like 5’10” from waist down and 6’5″ from waist up and have wide hips and shoulders. I’m 70 and want to make this my last new swing. lol
Glad you are getting back to swinging and working on it. At this point, I think you have to do it slowly. There’s no point falling over as you do it. So slow precise movement then gradually increase it until you can do it without falling forward.
I have somewhat of a dilemma. My shoulders and hips are wide, shoulders about 23″ across and hips about 20″ across. In order to touch my right knee/leg to my left I have to have a stance that is less than my hips in width. When I try to maintain a tilt and look at the back of the ball my weight falls back onto my now bent right leg as the right foot starts to rise into a toe finish.
I rarely ever have trouble getting people to touch the legs. Only bow legged people and ones with a physical ailment may have an issue. I prove this to those thinking they can’t do it all the time by having them throw balls overhand. If so, they see that they can do it. Usually the person is not locking the lead leg. When you lock this leg it actually goes backwards allowing the right leg to touch it.
I get the feeling you are trying to watch way back on the back of the ball. If so, I could see you hanging back. Again, I never have trouble getting people to watch the back of the ball and get to the follow through so I think you are looking either too far on the back of the ball or looking at it way too long into the through swing. So check this. Watch the back of the ball until you hit it then you are into the follow through not hanging back.
Got the ok to hit some balls so I went to the range. I started hitting some pitch shots and it went well. The difference between an arm swing and a body swing is night and day. I think the initial benefit from a body swing is the consistency of the swing path. Every shot I hit was pretty much dead straight. I was able to turn off the arms to an extent but realized something wasn’t right. Once I got the backswing for a pitch shot with the grip pointing down I found myself tensing up with the hands somewhat to hold the club there before I initiated the body. I then loosened my grip and once the grip end was pointing down I initiated the body and I got more freedom and speed from the more loose wrists. I kind of just threw the club up with looser hands and turned before the arms could transition down.
I had trouble seeing the club hit the ball. As soon as I initiated the body turn it’s like my head and eyes flowed up into the finish. I was hitting the ball very well. When I forced myself to look at the ball longer my turn would stall and I’d hit the ball fat or chunk it altogether. I ended by hitting my pitching wedge a few times which went fairly well. Initially with the PW I used the pitching backswing but it didn’t work well. I then tried the same one piece takeaway but thought about the thumbs going up to the ear which felt more upright but I hit the PW crisper.
Yes,the difference is crystal clear so when people are having trouble turning the arms off they are no where near getting this different feeling. Glad you are seeing it.
Yes, once you base it on your body they should be going dead straight. Great.
The 3/4 backswing would have you setting the hinge right away which would activate the arms. It is up to you to then not hit as you come down. Sounds like you figured it out so that too is a good thing.
You shouldn’t be doing the pitching technique with pitching wedge. For pitching wedge you would only ever be doing full swings. The pitch shot would be with sand and lob wedge only. Gap wedge full swings at different rotational speeds then pitching wedge at full speed. The abbreviated swings are not necessary with pitching wedge.
The fat shots was you not turning the belt buckle soon enough. This is easily fixed. Watch:
Paul. I have just started using your body swing techniques but have not yet played a round of golf with this swing change. All of my time has been spent on the range so far. I have not necessarily seen dramatic distance changes but do believe they will come. I have seen a dramatic improvement in accuracy with the driver and fairway woods which will certainly improve my score. Any thoughts on why distance at the range is not that evident yet?
I hope you are doing way more practice swings that hitting balls. Please tell me you are doing them.
Don’t worry about the distance. You need to build a great swing first.
Glad you are getting accuracy. Confidence breeds distance. Confidence alone will allow you to hit it longer but there are tons of tips on here for more power when you are ready.
Distance and the range isn’t evident because it’s new and you’re not good at it. Just turning your arms off or makimg them looser is great but you need to learn how to use your legs and hips as the power source. Without that you will not hit it any longer. If you turned your arms off completely though you would have to use your legs as you have no other way to hit the ball if you aren’t hitting.
Again, forget the distance. Do tons of practice swings working on the positions at the range and especially at home. Build the swing. A great swing hits great shots. Don’t even think distance until you have a good understanding of the position and you know you are doing them right. You try to get distance now you won’t do the positions and you will sit here forever.
Paul, I have been using an exercise band around my waist attached to a door to work on the the hip movement. The more I do this the faster I can turn the hips. It seems that the connection between my mind and hips is getting stronger. Would you recommend a hip strengthening/speed building device such as the one I see advertised on you tube.
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21 Responses to “The Body Swing – Extra Tip 1 – How Much Legs”
August 12, 2016
YoshiharuMorozumiDear Master Paul
Thank you for your timely perfect bonus tip.
It really cleared up my question regarding how much effort needed to achieve “look-like effortless swing”.
I wil try to concentrate my energy to build a lower body swing.
One question arose though about how to syncronise my arm swing speed.
The faster I uncoil my lower body, does my arms catch up with the lower ?
Your previous tip says arm rotation quickly to purposely create low hooking shots then faster lower body. I kind of understand your meanings hopefully but don’t know
if intentional movement of upper body ruins my lower body movement on the learing process.
Best regards
Yoshiharu Morozumi a japanese golfer.
August 12, 2016
Paul WilsonYoshiharu,
Glad you liked the bonus tip.
When you switch to the body you are not thinking about rolling it. You are turning them back off. Your arms are connected to your body. Turn your body and your arms will move down. So relax the upper and try to not use the arms to hit the ball. If you have trained the early release the addition of faster body rotation will straighten it out.
January 7, 2018
ArnoldMerriamPaul thank you I’m getting it. Do you recommend specific exercises to strengthen or accelerate the lower body movement? Arnie
January 7, 2018
Paul WilsonArnold,
You need to do this drill and the variation of it (my favorite drill):
DRILL: Swing Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-off-ground/
DRILL: Swing Off Ground Variation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-variation-favorite-drill/
DRILL: My Favorite Drill – Variation 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/favorite-drill-variation-2/
DRILL: Listen to Club Swinging: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-listen-to-club/
DRILL: How To Really Increase Power: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-really-increase-power/
DRILL: Swing Up with Driver: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-up-driver/
March 11, 2018
Tomvan der MeulenHi Paul, really great tips and my body swing is improving clearly. One question, when I look at my own swing on video I see that I tend to strech my right leg. Do you have any specific drills, tips to stabilize the legs during the back swing.
Tom
An addicted golfer from The Netherlands.
March 11, 2018
Paul WilsonTom,
Good to hear from you. I just taught one of your country men who came for lessons. I told him I have a following there.
I do have tips on this:
How To Stabilize The Lower Body In The Backswing (belt buckle at ball): https://ignitiongolf.com/stabilize-lower-body/
Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/turning-hips/
Let’s Go Surfing: https://ignitiongolf.com/lets-go-surfing/
Flex Back Knee: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-back-knee
Flexed Back Knee Holding Knee: https://ignitiongolf.com/lower-body-stability/
Hope that helps.
May 7, 2018
FrankBeckmannPaul….2nd round with new swing you teach produced significant distance increase…. one club difference in irons and regular 25 yard increase in my old 225 drives….even hit one 282 which I haven’t done in over 10 years….good stuff….I even hit a bunker shot stiff so thanks for that tip as well….good stuff
July 20, 2018
GarrettAkreYour body swing method is getting me in trouble I am hitting my ball either into the foursomes in front of me or over their heads and as a added bonus I am not as tired after a round
July 20, 2018
Paul WilsonGarret,
Great problem to have (not for the group in front though). Be careful out there. So glad you are doing well. I love hearing it.
July 29, 2018
GrahamWoodallPaul, I am new to the body swing but like it a lot. I am a 69 year old over the topper, so I am keen to get into a new swing. I have used an app on I phone to measure my hip rotation speed and it currently maxes out at around 350 deg per second. Do you know how fast your hips open in deg per second terms.
After one week of study I can see great improvements, I only slipped back into bad habits a couple of times in my last round.
Best regards
July 29, 2018
Paul WilsonGraham,
Glad to have you on board. Take it one step at a time and do no get confused with all the tips on the site. Use them in conjunction with The Body Swing.
What is the name of the app. I had one a long time ago. Can’t remember my numbers or what it was called. I have a Samsung phone so hopefully they have an android app too.
September 9, 2018
JimBenjaminPaul, I’m in the final phase of physical therapy for a right knee replacement and I’m working this turn into my therapy. I had two bad knees for 30 years, had the left knee dome 6 years ago and now the right. I didn’t know how to turn. Of course I was bumping and then trying to turn and I would stall and flip. Now that I know what to do, thanks to you, I’m able to make the turn. I just find myself getting out of balance, usually falling forward towards the ball. I will continue to work on it. I have a tall torso and a shorter lower body which doesn’t help. I’m 6’2″, 300 lbs but am like 5’10” from waist down and 6’5″ from waist up and have wide hips and shoulders. I’m 70 and want to make this my last new swing. lol
September 11, 2018
Paul WilsonJim,
Glad you are getting back to swinging and working on it. At this point, I think you have to do it slowly. There’s no point falling over as you do it. So slow precise movement then gradually increase it until you can do it without falling forward.
I would be doing this:
Lean On Club to Touch Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lean-on-club
Then it’s just nightly practice swings. Over and over.
Here is another one:
Remember Series – Turn, Touch and Lift: https://ignitiongolf.com/remember-turn-touch-lift/
September 12, 2018
JimBenjaminPaul,
I have somewhat of a dilemma. My shoulders and hips are wide, shoulders about 23″ across and hips about 20″ across. In order to touch my right knee/leg to my left I have to have a stance that is less than my hips in width. When I try to maintain a tilt and look at the back of the ball my weight falls back onto my now bent right leg as the right foot starts to rise into a toe finish.
Jim
September 12, 2018
Paul WilsonJim,
I rarely ever have trouble getting people to touch the legs. Only bow legged people and ones with a physical ailment may have an issue. I prove this to those thinking they can’t do it all the time by having them throw balls overhand. If so, they see that they can do it. Usually the person is not locking the lead leg. When you lock this leg it actually goes backwards allowing the right leg to touch it.
So try this if you haven’t done so already.
It’s Like A Throwing Motion: https://ignitiongolf.com/like-throwing-motion/
You can do this at home:
Lean On Club to Touch Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lean-on-club/
I really don’t want the stance too narrow or you falling over.
Check stance width here:
Easy Way to Check Width of Stance: https://ignitiongolf.com/easy-check-width-stance/
I get the feeling you are trying to watch way back on the back of the ball. If so, I could see you hanging back. Again, I never have trouble getting people to watch the back of the ball and get to the follow through so I think you are looking either too far on the back of the ball or looking at it way too long into the through swing. So check this. Watch the back of the ball until you hit it then you are into the follow through not hanging back.
September 15, 2018
JimBenjaminGot the ok to hit some balls so I went to the range. I started hitting some pitch shots and it went well. The difference between an arm swing and a body swing is night and day. I think the initial benefit from a body swing is the consistency of the swing path. Every shot I hit was pretty much dead straight. I was able to turn off the arms to an extent but realized something wasn’t right. Once I got the backswing for a pitch shot with the grip pointing down I found myself tensing up with the hands somewhat to hold the club there before I initiated the body. I then loosened my grip and once the grip end was pointing down I initiated the body and I got more freedom and speed from the more loose wrists. I kind of just threw the club up with looser hands and turned before the arms could transition down.
I had trouble seeing the club hit the ball. As soon as I initiated the body turn it’s like my head and eyes flowed up into the finish. I was hitting the ball very well. When I forced myself to look at the ball longer my turn would stall and I’d hit the ball fat or chunk it altogether. I ended by hitting my pitching wedge a few times which went fairly well. Initially with the PW I used the pitching backswing but it didn’t work well. I then tried the same one piece takeaway but thought about the thumbs going up to the ear which felt more upright but I hit the PW crisper.
September 16, 2018
Paul WilsonJim,
Yes,the difference is crystal clear so when people are having trouble turning the arms off they are no where near getting this different feeling. Glad you are seeing it.
Yes, once you base it on your body they should be going dead straight. Great.
The 3/4 backswing would have you setting the hinge right away which would activate the arms. It is up to you to then not hit as you come down. Sounds like you figured it out so that too is a good thing.
You shouldn’t be doing the pitching technique with pitching wedge. For pitching wedge you would only ever be doing full swings. The pitch shot would be with sand and lob wedge only. Gap wedge full swings at different rotational speeds then pitching wedge at full speed. The abbreviated swings are not necessary with pitching wedge.
The fat shots was you not turning the belt buckle soon enough. This is easily fixed. Watch:
How To Cure Fat Pitch Shots: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-fat-pitch-shots/
Meltdown at the 12th: https://ignitiongolf.com/meltdown-at-the-12th/
September 27, 2018
ScottSingerPaul. I have just started using your body swing techniques but have not yet played a round of golf with this swing change. All of my time has been spent on the range so far. I have not necessarily seen dramatic distance changes but do believe they will come. I have seen a dramatic improvement in accuracy with the driver and fairway woods which will certainly improve my score. Any thoughts on why distance at the range is not that evident yet?
September 29, 2018
Paul WilsonScott,
I hope you are doing way more practice swings that hitting balls. Please tell me you are doing them.
Don’t worry about the distance. You need to build a great swing first.
Glad you are getting accuracy. Confidence breeds distance. Confidence alone will allow you to hit it longer but there are tons of tips on here for more power when you are ready.
Distance and the range isn’t evident because it’s new and you’re not good at it. Just turning your arms off or makimg them looser is great but you need to learn how to use your legs and hips as the power source. Without that you will not hit it any longer. If you turned your arms off completely though you would have to use your legs as you have no other way to hit the ball if you aren’t hitting.
Again, forget the distance. Do tons of practice swings working on the positions at the range and especially at home. Build the swing. A great swing hits great shots. Don’t even think distance until you have a good understanding of the position and you know you are doing them right. You try to get distance now you won’t do the positions and you will sit here forever.
November 4, 2018
dougsouthardPaul, I have been using an exercise band around my waist attached to a door to work on the the hip movement. The more I do this the faster I can turn the hips. It seems that the connection between my mind and hips is getting stronger. Would you recommend a hip strengthening/speed building device such as the one I see advertised on you tube.
November 6, 2018
Paul WilsonDoug,
I haven’t seen the one on youtube. Can you send the video. I do promote this. I did a tip on it here:
DRILL: Faster Hip Rotation (UST): https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-faster-hip-rotation/