Paul, I am committed to the powerless arms, however it has not become intuitive, so it is easy for me to power up my arms. Just turning my arms off is not a thought that I have had any success with. But, I never power up my arms without first tightening my grip. My grip pressure is just enough that the club does not move. I find it easier to maintain that pressure in my swing, than to focus on the multiple big muscles in my arms. It also is conducive to a full hinge. Just a thought that might help some people.
Paul, will try the new item of arms “set”at top and concentrate on turning them off – still having difficulty with the trigger pursuit.
Did find last week, however, monster power leak!!! Found that at 75, yes 75, that in my coil, shoulders were not turning to 90 degrees which I can do, however, if shoulders were going to 60 degrees – so were my hips!!!!
So, am concentrating on correct shoulder turn and per your instruction, attempt to keep belt buckle on the ball through back swing. Wow, what an increase in TORQUE, you can feel it!! And of course, the greater the torque the more power achieved for increased distance. Now just have to continue work on uncoil as still searching for my repeatable and effective trigger.
I love the new smiley Paul 🙂 Great reminder and emphasis on powerless arms and how to get them. Improved my game so much, I am extremely happy with my secret weapon – Paul Wilson.
I think you still need some structure and have to think about keeping the right elbow in. My arms do not just fall into the right place when they are powerless and I do have to consciously think about how they fall. Can you comment onthis.?
There are times that you do have to work on your arms ion the golf swing. Just making them completely powerless should work, but we still have to overcome tha flaws that are in each golfers body. Check out this tip:
I’ve noticed that with powerless arms, even the “miss hits” go straight…Definitive proof that the club head will always contact square, if u take the arms out of it…Thx again Paul for making golf fun, and not frustrating like it used to be!!!!!!!
Hello Paul! I just started with the body swing program this past Sunday and after two days of indoor work took things to the range today. I’m 64 and trying to reverse 45+ years of wrong – outside/in, too fast, all arms, etc. I need to do a lot of work but I could see today how much potential this has to turn things around. Used 7 iron the whole time off the tee. When I took the arms out (mostly) things went straight and surprisingly well.
Three consistent issues – 1) leaving the shot out 20-30 yards right (sliding instead of turning?)
2) Pulling shots 20 yards straight left.
3) Starting 20 yards left and fading to the target.
I’m thinking these last two are still too much with the arms. I’ll try the two solutions you mentioned in this video.
I can see that this works and it ‘s just a matter of changing ingrained habits. I’m stoked about getting this turned around and I thank you for all the great guidance.
You are still very new at the positions. Work on the grip, setup and then follow-through positions first. Go slow with it. I would work on the roll over drill first, get rid of the slice spin on the ball and the open face. Then start to add some legs once you have the correct spin. Its possible that you have a slide, best way to check is to video your swing front on and see if your hips turn or if they go forward. Check out these tips:
I have struggled with powerless arms for a long time. I keep falling back into old habits. I just can’t seem to get the trigger to work to start the downswing. I tried holding the club at the top as you suggest and wow…..It worked…..I finally can now say I know how “powerless arms” feel.
I need to go slow, but I am now consistently hitting the ball straight. Looking forward to continue this so I can get some additional distance.
Great stuff!! Keep up the good work and going slow really is the key to feeling a lot of these new positions or feelings. I see so many golfers going at top speed trying to change their swing and it just does not work like that. Glad you have gotten the feeling.
Great advice re getting your arms out of the way. I’ve enjoyed real success using your method in the last few months–I’ve been hitting the ball using my hips and legs–arms relaxed–the ball goes long and straight for the most part. Real improvement. I feel like I have finally overcome many years of bad habits (I came to golf in my late 40’s and so missed out on youthful swing advantages–I’m now in my 70’s). Unfortunately though my success seems to be limited to the driving range–when I go out to the course, I revert back to my old ways–slicing, topping generally miserable play with my arms in the way–recently it’s as though I just picked up the game yesterday–it’s driving me crazy. Maybe it’s psychological–I don’t know. Do you ever see this with your students? Any advice?
Hello Michael, that’s great that you are doing well and seeing the power of not hitting with the arms. I have heard this before about when you take it to the course. I have tips on this. Just search TAKING IT TO THE COURSE or FROM RANGE TO COURSE. Basically you are going to the course trying to play your best golf and hit your best shots. Can’t do that right now. You need to do the new thing on the course or you will never change anything. So you play by yourself. Don’t keep score. 3 extra balls in your pocket. Play 9 holes. You swing not more than 50%. Miss it and drop another ball and try again trying to hit the exact positions. The whole idea is to change what you have done. You know you can do it so do it slowly. Get good at it. Then speed it up.
Paul
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13 Responses to “How Do You Stop Using Your Arms In The Downswing?”
August 11, 2020
JeffreyGardinerPaul, I am committed to the powerless arms, however it has not become intuitive, so it is easy for me to power up my arms. Just turning my arms off is not a thought that I have had any success with. But, I never power up my arms without first tightening my grip. My grip pressure is just enough that the club does not move. I find it easier to maintain that pressure in my swing, than to focus on the multiple big muscles in my arms. It also is conducive to a full hinge. Just a thought that might help some people.
August 11, 2020
DanKueblerPaul, will try the new item of arms “set”at top and concentrate on turning them off – still having difficulty with the trigger pursuit.
Did find last week, however, monster power leak!!! Found that at 75, yes 75, that in my coil, shoulders were not turning to 90 degrees which I can do, however, if shoulders were going to 60 degrees – so were my hips!!!!
So, am concentrating on correct shoulder turn and per your instruction, attempt to keep belt buckle on the ball through back swing. Wow, what an increase in TORQUE, you can feel it!! And of course, the greater the torque the more power achieved for increased distance. Now just have to continue work on uncoil as still searching for my repeatable and effective trigger.
August 11, 2020
SueTeeI love the new smiley Paul 🙂 Great reminder and emphasis on powerless arms and how to get them. Improved my game so much, I am extremely happy with my secret weapon – Paul Wilson.
August 11, 2020
richardpeyserI think you still need some structure and have to think about keeping the right elbow in. My arms do not just fall into the right place when they are powerless and I do have to consciously think about how they fall. Can you comment onthis.?
August 13, 2020
Paul WilsonThere are times that you do have to work on your arms ion the golf swing. Just making them completely powerless should work, but we still have to overcome tha flaws that are in each golfers body. Check out this tip:
When Do You Work On Arms? – https://ignitiongolf.com/when-to-work-arms/
August 11, 2020
RandMellorI’ve noticed that with powerless arms, even the “miss hits” go straight…Definitive proof that the club head will always contact square, if u take the arms out of it…Thx again Paul for making golf fun, and not frustrating like it used to be!!!!!!!
August 11, 2020
DonGlaserHello Paul! I just started with the body swing program this past Sunday and after two days of indoor work took things to the range today. I’m 64 and trying to reverse 45+ years of wrong – outside/in, too fast, all arms, etc. I need to do a lot of work but I could see today how much potential this has to turn things around. Used 7 iron the whole time off the tee. When I took the arms out (mostly) things went straight and surprisingly well.
Three consistent issues – 1) leaving the shot out 20-30 yards right (sliding instead of turning?)
2) Pulling shots 20 yards straight left.
3) Starting 20 yards left and fading to the target.
I’m thinking these last two are still too much with the arms. I’ll try the two solutions you mentioned in this video.
I can see that this works and it ‘s just a matter of changing ingrained habits. I’m stoked about getting this turned around and I thank you for all the great guidance.
August 13, 2020
Paul WilsonYou are still very new at the positions. Work on the grip, setup and then follow-through positions first. Go slow with it. I would work on the roll over drill first, get rid of the slice spin on the ball and the open face. Then start to add some legs once you have the correct spin. Its possible that you have a slide, best way to check is to video your swing front on and see if your hips turn or if they go forward. Check out these tips:
Vertical To Vertical: https://ignitiongolf.com/vertical-to-vertical/
Vertical To Vertical – Part 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/vertical-to-vertical-part2/
How to Release the Golf Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release/
Easy Way To Cure A Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/easy-way-cure-slide/
August 13, 2020
DonGlaserPaul:
Thank you for the response and the additional links. I’m on it!
September 25, 2020
MichaelSchillemanI have struggled with powerless arms for a long time. I keep falling back into old habits. I just can’t seem to get the trigger to work to start the downswing. I tried holding the club at the top as you suggest and wow…..It worked…..I finally can now say I know how “powerless arms” feel.
I need to go slow, but I am now consistently hitting the ball straight. Looking forward to continue this so I can get some additional distance.
September 30, 2020
Paul WilsonGreat stuff!! Keep up the good work and going slow really is the key to feeling a lot of these new positions or feelings. I see so many golfers going at top speed trying to change their swing and it just does not work like that. Glad you have gotten the feeling.
August 5, 2023
MichaelKoehneGreat advice re getting your arms out of the way. I’ve enjoyed real success using your method in the last few months–I’ve been hitting the ball using my hips and legs–arms relaxed–the ball goes long and straight for the most part. Real improvement. I feel like I have finally overcome many years of bad habits (I came to golf in my late 40’s and so missed out on youthful swing advantages–I’m now in my 70’s). Unfortunately though my success seems to be limited to the driving range–when I go out to the course, I revert back to my old ways–slicing, topping generally miserable play with my arms in the way–recently it’s as though I just picked up the game yesterday–it’s driving me crazy. Maybe it’s psychological–I don’t know. Do you ever see this with your students? Any advice?
August 7, 2023
Paul WilsonHello Michael, that’s great that you are doing well and seeing the power of not hitting with the arms. I have heard this before about when you take it to the course. I have tips on this. Just search TAKING IT TO THE COURSE or FROM RANGE TO COURSE. Basically you are going to the course trying to play your best golf and hit your best shots. Can’t do that right now. You need to do the new thing on the course or you will never change anything. So you play by yourself. Don’t keep score. 3 extra balls in your pocket. Play 9 holes. You swing not more than 50%. Miss it and drop another ball and try again trying to hit the exact positions. The whole idea is to change what you have done. You know you can do it so do it slowly. Get good at it. Then speed it up.
Paul