Top of the Backswing Cupped or Flat?

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Paul Wilson

Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine. YouTube Channels: Paul Wilson Golf and Ignition Golf Tips. Please Join me on Google+

18 Responses to “Top of the Backswing Cupped or Flat?”

  1. January 25, 2014

    DavidJones

    Paul, although not related to your tip, during the slow motion portions of your tip I put a pen at the the top center of your head to watch its movement. Interestingly on the downswing your head drops several inches. I have always tried to hold my head steady on the downswing (although I know it moves some) without a similar movement. Is that slight dropping something one should strive for, and, if so, it could serve as a possible tip. It does not appear you intentionally make that move, it just seems to happen.

    I look forward each day to your tips. Best regards and perhaps I can make it to Vegas this year for some more of your excellent one on one training.

    David

    • Paul Wilson

      January 25, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      David,

      Glad you like the tips. I appreciate the feedback.

      A lot of this head dropping is due to my body angling more behind the ball in the downswing. I am also staying focused on where they ball is which is tucking my chin. I have never worked or even thought of this. I comes with working on the proper lower body action in your downswing and obviously not coming out of it when you contact the ball.

      So make sure you are following my downswing and uncoiling tips while turning your arms off. Never try to keep your head still. The head moves back going back it may move a little forward in the downswing then it moves back again and the club approaches impact. It stays there until the lead is arm is a 3/4 through then it moves forward so you can get to the balanced position over the forward leg into the follow through.

      Here you go:

      Move Head: http://ignitiongolf.com/move-head-back

      Impact Head Behind Ball: http://ignitiongolf.com/impact-head

      Stop Fat Shots When Working On Moving Your Head: http://ignitiongolf.com/fat-shots-moving-your-head/

      Uncoil 1: http://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil

      Uncoil 2: http://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil-follow-up

  2. ChuckBaumgarner

    January 25, 2014

    ChuckBaumgarner

    Do pros use these different positions to shape shots?

  3. January 25, 2014

    RaymondCHASTEL

    I wouldnt Like to intrude on THE response Paul Will undoubtly give to Mr David Jones ,but this drop at THE beginning OF THE downswing is to be seen in all THE swings OF THE Great Champions .
    Jim Mc LEAN in his book THE COMPLETE HOGAN shows this move in Great d

  4. January 25, 2014

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Sorry,I mistakenly said THE backswing ,THE drop occurs at THE start OF THE throughswing ,OF course !

  5. January 25, 2014

    TIMADAMS

    I’ll be darned if i can see differences in your wrist positions BUT what I do see is differences in the club shaft and face from the correct shots to the incorrect ones

    • Paul Wilson

      January 25, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Tim,

      The bones in my wrist stop it from overcupping at the top. This is a good thing but many years ago I fought a bowed wrist ala Tom Lehman at the top. Just follow the tip and work on the right grip and a slight cupping at the top.

  6. January 25, 2014

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Paul ,This is THE very best d

    • Paul Wilson

      January 25, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      Glad you liked it. There is a reason you should be doing everything in the swing. Just takes some understanding and figuring out. Using the Iron Byron allows me to do his for most things. This one is just logic.

  7. January 25, 2014

    HarveyKirk

    Great instructional video on a problem I may have and need to work on. In the past I have been told that my lead wrist should be slightly bowed, but when trying to do that is is very awkward and I always feel like I am slightly cupped. I can’t wait to get in front of a mirror and maybe I don’t have the cupping problem and only have what you call a slightly cupped position. I will continue to make sure I have a two knuckle grip and continue to follow your sage guidance and advice. Thank you.

    • Paul Wilson

      January 25, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Harvey,

      You should never be purposely trying to bow this wrist. As I explained the wrist should be cupped anyway. This is relative to your grip and if you are manipulating the club as you go back. Glad you are going to work on it. Now, you should eliminate this uncomfortable feeling at the top.

  8. January 25, 2014

    CodyCusick

    Paul just wanted to say thank you! Powerless arms is finally paying off. I have dropped 10 strokes in the last 2 weeks. I have got my swing to where I don’t think about my arms at all. From the time I set up I am only thinking about touching the legs and my shots almost feel effortless win tremendous results! When I finished my round yesterday. I wanted to play again!

    • Paul Wilson

      January 25, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Cody,

      That’s great news. It is different. In fact, it is the opposite to what people want to do so until they get used to it they will go right back to a swing that does not work. Now that you have felt the difference stay focused on it. So days will be better than others while you are developing a great swing but as you see the feeling of powerless arms gives you so much more power with little effort.

      Don’t fall into this trap:

      Lose Your Swing: http://ignitiongolf.com/lose-your-golf-swing

      You Will Top It: http://ignitiongolf.com/you-will-top-it/

  9. January 26, 2014

    DavidAnderson

    Thx for everything Paul
    In my mirror looking to my right I notice my hands are barely shoulder height at the top. Barely above my shoulder. I’d like to get them closer to my R ear. Any thoughts? Thx.

  10. As TimAdams stated in his reply, I also don’t see a difference in your wrist position. What I have a problem with is my hands not turning over at or slightly before impact. To me, THAT feels like I’m manipulating the club. At the top of my backswing when I check my position, my wrist is definitely cupped, but doesn’t appear to be over-cupped, but the clubface is definitely a bit open. I always use a 2 knuckle grip. If my wrist is flat, I always hit the ball straight with no movement either way. If it’s cupped, I’ll hit the ball a little left of my target. Not far left, but certainly left. I also always have a 1 piece takeaway. Lefty golfer by the way. The feeling I need to have is my thumb being directly under the shaft at the top which gives me a flat wrist. I guess this is a by-product of my wrists not rolling over before impact which I know is what you rightly promote. If my hands rolled over, I’d definitely have hook spin. I’m not saying my wrist should be flat but it’s what works for me. Either way, thanks for another great video. I wish other instructors could make their explanations as easy as yours.

    • Tim,

      I just watched the first bit of the video. When I say is it cupped or flat you can clearly see the face square then close when I show it flat. All it take is a few degrees at impact to severely effect the ball. Moving it the amount I did would have the ball going off the planet left if it was that closed.

      Your club should be squaring because your arms and wrists are loose and you allow then to full extend at the release point:

      How to Release the Golf Club: http://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release

      To get this you need to manually roll it in you have trained it to roll. At this point you do nothing and turn them back off. Watch:

      Manually Square the Clubface: http://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-clubface

      Manually Square the Clubface (Follow Up): http://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-face-follow-up

      Although this may work for you if you are not a mid to low handicapper I would be working on the correct position. Up to you though. Might be tough if we cannot see it. I think we may be doing Skype Lessons shortly so we may be able to help you out.

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