Greetings Coach: It looked like,in his set up position, he was standing tall like you teach, am I correct and if he was were his arms too high by him going back in the wrong way and not a fault of his set up?I hope I said this clear enough.
Like gongs going off when I watched this one. I have to go back to my videos of myself some more, but I can almost guarantee I am a bit too high…cross the top a lot and have lost some power over past three years (prob just cause of low back issues). Will give the flatter drills a try upcoming and see if I can regain some of my lost irons distance. Thanks, Paul, always great stuff.
A little too high is okay but way up is trouble. Furyk is way to high but he immediately drops it on plane as he is using his body. Most will not though. Just tuck the armpit for a while but like I said, don’t do it forever other wise you will be too flat which can be just as bad.
In addition to your observation, like me, it appears that he is also rotating his forearms on the first half of the back swing and his hand and club head are not square to the swing path. This causes me to pull the club inside and results in a shallow swing. He is obviously much more flexible than me and still able to lift the club. Love his hat. I am working on my takeaway and “point the thumbs to the ear” position to try and steepen my swing.
Yeah, I have seen a few of those hats. We should all be wearing them. Probably not going to happen with me anytime soon. Could put a big log on it though.
Yes, shallow and flat are trouble. This swing just hits it nowhere and you hit pushes and push fades. I remember those days then I snapped out of it.
Paul,
I’m not quite sure your are entirely right as to the too upright backswings:I have a whole bunch of ancient golf instruction books (1930 to 1940)showing both upright backswings and flat backswings :BOBBY JONES ,GENE SARAZEN ,RALPH GUDAHL had flat backswings :BYRON NELSON ,HENRY PICARD,SAM SNEAD had very high backswings ,their hands are way above their heads at the top of their backswings. More recently,JACK NICKLAUS was very upright, while BEN HOGAN was flat .So there’s is no one way to swing !JIM FURYK is way high (Too high !).
My main error is to not raise the club high enough so I have in mind JIM FURYK when going back (I’m sure I don’t go as high as he does !).But when I swing on my lawn with the sun behind me ,and see the shadows in front of me I make sure I see a clearing between the horizontal shaft at the top of the backswing and the top of my head .
What counts much more for me is how much I turn my left shoulder :when I turn enough ,I have plenty of time to start my downswing without any casting over the top and using fully my hips to give me power .
I am talking about distance above the shoulder plane. He was way above it. Look at your pics again. The only guy in this position is Furyk but he used his body which allowed the club to drop on plane. This gentleman was not.
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8 Responses to “Student Swing – Backswing Too Upright”
January 16, 2018
johnhoyleGreetings Coach: It looked like,in his set up position, he was standing tall like you teach, am I correct and if he was were his arms too high by him going back in the wrong way and not a fault of his set up?I hope I said this clear enough.
January 17, 2018
Paul WilsonJohn,
This was certainly not his setup. He was lifting it way up. I have seen this before. Such a bad position.
January 16, 2018
KimBozikLike gongs going off when I watched this one. I have to go back to my videos of myself some more, but I can almost guarantee I am a bit too high…cross the top a lot and have lost some power over past three years (prob just cause of low back issues). Will give the flatter drills a try upcoming and see if I can regain some of my lost irons distance. Thanks, Paul, always great stuff.
January 17, 2018
Paul WilsonKim,
A little too high is okay but way up is trouble. Furyk is way to high but he immediately drops it on plane as he is using his body. Most will not though. Just tuck the armpit for a while but like I said, don’t do it forever other wise you will be too flat which can be just as bad.
January 17, 2018
MikeShannonIn addition to your observation, like me, it appears that he is also rotating his forearms on the first half of the back swing and his hand and club head are not square to the swing path. This causes me to pull the club inside and results in a shallow swing. He is obviously much more flexible than me and still able to lift the club. Love his hat. I am working on my takeaway and “point the thumbs to the ear” position to try and steepen my swing.
January 17, 2018
Paul WilsonMike,
Rolling is not good. I have a really good one of those coming up in the future.
Just work it back in one piece here:
One Piece Takeaway: https://ignitiongolf.com/master-one-piece-takeaway/
One-Piece Takeaway Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/one-piece-takeaway-drill/
Takeaway – Watch Grooves Going Back: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-grooves-going-back/
Yeah, I have seen a few of those hats. We should all be wearing them. Probably not going to happen with me anytime soon. Could put a big log on it though.
Yes, shallow and flat are trouble. This swing just hits it nowhere and you hit pushes and push fades. I remember those days then I snapped out of it.
January 23, 2018
RaymondCHASTELPaul,
I’m not quite sure your are entirely right as to the too upright backswings:I have a whole bunch of ancient golf instruction books (1930 to 1940)showing both upright backswings and flat backswings :BOBBY JONES ,GENE SARAZEN ,RALPH GUDAHL had flat backswings :BYRON NELSON ,HENRY PICARD,SAM SNEAD had very high backswings ,their hands are way above their heads at the top of their backswings. More recently,JACK NICKLAUS was very upright, while BEN HOGAN was flat .So there’s is no one way to swing !JIM FURYK is way high (Too high !).
My main error is to not raise the club high enough so I have in mind JIM FURYK when going back (I’m sure I don’t go as high as he does !).But when I swing on my lawn with the sun behind me ,and see the shadows in front of me I make sure I see a clearing between the horizontal shaft at the top of the backswing and the top of my head .
What counts much more for me is how much I turn my left shoulder :when I turn enough ,I have plenty of time to start my downswing without any casting over the top and using fully my hips to give me power .
January 23, 2018
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I am talking about distance above the shoulder plane. He was way above it. Look at your pics again. The only guy in this position is Furyk but he used his body which allowed the club to drop on plane. This gentleman was not.