As I said in the tip, when you are working on lag you should be feeling your arms. So you are pulling the club down. It is already in a hinged position. To hinge it the wrists would have had o have been loose. You then hold this angle as you bring it down. Then release it. You would not be able to release it if your wrists were loose. So you jut keep doing this over and over again until you are good at it. As you keep doing it the grip will be secure and the wrists will loosen up. It is all about repetition.
I said there was distortion in the email. Something was wrong with the mic when I shot this last batch of tips. I am trying to tweak he audio but I don’t think there is much I can do about these next few.
No. This will help the lag angle because it will loosen your wrists. If your wrists are loose and you turn the body first the lag angle would be compressed in the downswing until around the right leg. Then it releases. If you are losing the lag angle you are hitting with the arms which is going to tighten everything up as the club approaches impact. When people hit hard the lock everything up and chicken wing it. If this occurs it is locked on both sides of the swing.
Hi Paul,
I have troubles putting everything together. How can we incorporate lag in our “powerless arms” swing. They are powerless!! If we “keep” the angle they are no longer I believe. Furthermore, watching closely your Iron Byron videos, I can see the club face is open when the machine is fully hinged in the backswing. It seems there is a mechanism on the hinge that open and close the face, I suppose to reproduce the human arm. One thing sure, Iron Byron doesn’t train itself on the lag angle but has it inherently. Is it all about gaining flexibility in our wrists so they bcome a free hinge? Maybe it is about working on the club plan, as well. Any thoughts?
Your wrists are a hinge. As you go back momentum would allow the hinge to hinge to its maximum. Okay, now you are fully hinged at the top. How do you maintain this hinge coming down? You turn your body (axis) first and allow the mass (club) to trail behind it. After all, is this not what the word lag means? Something is trailing behind something else.
Sure the Iron Byron has a mechanism. It was designed to test golf equipment. It needed to replicate the human golf swing perfectly plus they needed to put brakes on it so it did not keep snapping shafts into the ceiling on the way through.
So how are you going to re-hinge the club perfectly every time? You are going to use forces acting on the mass. If you do nothing to mass and allow it to swing it was always want to move to its widest point. You already pre-determined the widest point when you set up with both arms straight. At this point you also pre-determined that when you arms are straight the face is square. So how do yo square the face consistently? You do nothing to the mass and turn the axis. In doing so, the mass would always swing to its widest point 100% of the time. This means the face at this point would be square 100% of the time unless you manipulate it or don’t setup with the face square. This point actually happens in a golf swing approx. 2 feet after contact with irons and 3 feet after with woods. So at impact the face is square to the path but open to the body.
So how are you going to get all this. Well, you will never just instantly turn off your arms and keep your wrists loose. So I need you to work on the top of your backswing position and your follow through position. You can also do the roll over drill too. This should loosen up your release.
hi paul
I have been working a lot on the lag angle and have noticed when i swing in the mirror that once i start the downswing my wrists are that loose that they hinge more as the club drops is this correct?
it is quite a weird feeling it feels and looks like the head of the club is going nowhere but the shaft and handle is.
as always loving your tips with the lag in my swing i no longer come over the top my slice is gone (also due to the Ulitamte swing trainer a great devise) and im hitting my clubs 15 to 20 meters longer with no effort.
The wrists should be fully hinged at the top. This angle is maintained until the lead arm is parallel to the ground. As the body keeps rotating this angle starts to unhinge a little. When the hands hit hip height the club will be approx 90 degrees to the lead arm.
If your club is hinging more in the downswing I would think you are not quite fully hinged at the top. Try to hinge it fully but don’t let go of the club. The bones in your wrist should only allow it to hinge so much so you should be able to hinge to this point the same each time.
This question applies to lag and pitching. I have studied Swing Machine Golf as well as Body Swing, and I am doing well with them. I am also doing ok with lag. But to what extent is lag a factor in pitches, especially short and medium pitches? With a slower hip turn, in pitching, it is harder to maintain a natural lag angle. Thanks.
Unless you were really casting the golf club bad, I would not be thinking about lag in a pitch shot. The full pitch shot would pretty much be your normal golf swing, so there should be some lag in it. The medium and short ones there really wouldn’t be any lag. Feel your wrists looser and you will have a decent angle coming down. I rarely tell anyone to work on it for their short shots. If you are trying to do it, thats great but it shouldn’t be the main focus.
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21 Responses to “Pro Versus Am – Lag”
January 15, 2014
dominicmacedoniaHow do you keep the lag angle without too much tension in your wrist for release.?
January 16, 2014
Paul WilsonDominic,
As I said in the tip, when you are working on lag you should be feeling your arms. So you are pulling the club down. It is already in a hinged position. To hinge it the wrists would have had o have been loose. You then hold this angle as you bring it down. Then release it. You would not be able to release it if your wrists were loose. So you jut keep doing this over and over again until you are good at it. As you keep doing it the grip will be secure and the wrists will loosen up. It is all about repetition.
January 19, 2014
Steven D“You would not be able to release it if your wrists were loose.”
Did you mean “tight,” Paul?
Thanks.
-Steve
January 20, 2014
Paul WilsonSteve,
Probably. My brain is usually scrambled after doing tip after tip.
January 20, 2014
Steven DI understand perfectly, Paul. It’s a good thing it’s only golf and not brain surgery!
January 15, 2014
Steven DIs anyone else having trouble with the sound on this tip?
January 16, 2014
Paul WilsonSteven,
I said there was distortion in the email. Something was wrong with the mic when I shot this last batch of tips. I am trying to tweak he audio but I don’t think there is much I can do about these next few.
January 15, 2014
GaryBraceHi Paul,
You may need to replace the battery in your sound pack. Your voice was very garbled through the lesson.
Great tip but had a hard time with the sound.
Thanks,
Gary Brace
January 16, 2014
Paul WilsonGary,
Thanks. It was not a battery issue though. Weird. I will have to switch cameras. It’s not the mic I checked it yesterday.
I shot a few yesterday. I am trying to tweak he audio but I don
January 15, 2014
dominicmacedoniaPaul,
How much does lag contribute to swing speed.?
Dom
January 16, 2014
Paul WilsonDomenic,
Lag is what develops the speed as well as the looseness of the wrists. It ha to be connected to your rotating body though.
Watch:
What Powers Your Swing (legs/arms): https://ignitiongolf.com/power-golf-swing
January 15, 2014
RobertMichelettiThis was a great tip, love pro vs am thank you!
January 16, 2014
Paul WilsonRobert,
Glad you liked it. Thanks.
January 16, 2014
TIMADAMSpaul doesn’t the early rolling of the wrists destroy the lag angle
January 17, 2014
Paul WilsonTim,
No. This will help the lag angle because it will loosen your wrists. If your wrists are loose and you turn the body first the lag angle would be compressed in the downswing until around the right leg. Then it releases. If you are losing the lag angle you are hitting with the arms which is going to tighten everything up as the club approaches impact. When people hit hard the lock everything up and chicken wing it. If this occurs it is locked on both sides of the swing.
February 12, 2014
FabienDuclocherHi Paul,
I have troubles putting everything together. How can we incorporate lag in our “powerless arms” swing. They are powerless!! If we “keep” the angle they are no longer I believe. Furthermore, watching closely your Iron Byron videos, I can see the club face is open when the machine is fully hinged in the backswing. It seems there is a mechanism on the hinge that open and close the face, I suppose to reproduce the human arm. One thing sure, Iron Byron doesn’t train itself on the lag angle but has it inherently. Is it all about gaining flexibility in our wrists so they bcome a free hinge? Maybe it is about working on the club plan, as well. Any thoughts?
February 12, 2014
Paul WilsonFabien,
Your wrists are a hinge. As you go back momentum would allow the hinge to hinge to its maximum. Okay, now you are fully hinged at the top. How do you maintain this hinge coming down? You turn your body (axis) first and allow the mass (club) to trail behind it. After all, is this not what the word lag means? Something is trailing behind something else.
Sure the Iron Byron has a mechanism. It was designed to test golf equipment. It needed to replicate the human golf swing perfectly plus they needed to put brakes on it so it did not keep snapping shafts into the ceiling on the way through.
So how are you going to re-hinge the club perfectly every time? You are going to use forces acting on the mass. If you do nothing to mass and allow it to swing it was always want to move to its widest point. You already pre-determined the widest point when you set up with both arms straight. At this point you also pre-determined that when you arms are straight the face is square. So how do yo square the face consistently? You do nothing to the mass and turn the axis. In doing so, the mass would always swing to its widest point 100% of the time. This means the face at this point would be square 100% of the time unless you manipulate it or don’t setup with the face square. This point actually happens in a golf swing approx. 2 feet after contact with irons and 3 feet after with woods. So at impact the face is square to the path but open to the body.
Watch:
How to Release the Golf Club: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-wrist-release
Manually Square the Clubface: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-clubface
Manually Square the Clubface (Follow Up): https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-face-follow-up
So how are you going to get all this. Well, you will never just instantly turn off your arms and keep your wrists loose. So I need you to work on the top of your backswing position and your follow through position. You can also do the roll over drill too. This should loosen up your release.
Watch:
3 Ways to Set The Top of the Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-top-3-ways
And:
One Of The Secrets To The Golf Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/secrets-to-golf-swing/
April 19, 2014
DavidCalverthi paul
I have been working a lot on the lag angle and have noticed when i swing in the mirror that once i start the downswing my wrists are that loose that they hinge more as the club drops is this correct?
it is quite a weird feeling it feels and looks like the head of the club is going nowhere but the shaft and handle is.
as always loving your tips with the lag in my swing i no longer come over the top my slice is gone (also due to the Ulitamte swing trainer a great devise) and im hitting my clubs 15 to 20 meters longer with no effort.
April 20, 2014
Paul WilsonDavid,
The wrists should be fully hinged at the top. This angle is maintained until the lead arm is parallel to the ground. As the body keeps rotating this angle starts to unhinge a little. When the hands hit hip height the club will be approx 90 degrees to the lead arm.
If your club is hinging more in the downswing I would think you are not quite fully hinged at the top. Try to hinge it fully but don’t let go of the club. The bones in your wrist should only allow it to hinge so much so you should be able to hinge to this point the same each time.
3 Ways to Set The Top of the Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-top-3-ways
Secure Top of Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/secure-top-backswing
Secure Grip Loose Wrists: https://ignitiongolf.com/secure-grip-loose-wrists/
Sounds like you are doing great. Keep up the good work.
November 9, 2020
MichaelPollackThis question applies to lag and pitching. I have studied Swing Machine Golf as well as Body Swing, and I am doing well with them. I am also doing ok with lag. But to what extent is lag a factor in pitches, especially short and medium pitches? With a slower hip turn, in pitching, it is harder to maintain a natural lag angle. Thanks.
November 15, 2020
Paul WilsonUnless you were really casting the golf club bad, I would not be thinking about lag in a pitch shot. The full pitch shot would pretty much be your normal golf swing, so there should be some lag in it. The medium and short ones there really wouldn’t be any lag. Feel your wrists looser and you will have a decent angle coming down. I rarely tell anyone to work on it for their short shots. If you are trying to do it, thats great but it shouldn’t be the main focus.