Paul, just an off the wall suggestion on learning powerless arms. I seem to get good results by focussing on a particular muscle. For example, my back arm tricep. If, while I’m practicing, I energize the bicep slightly to keep the tricep from contracting during the downswing and powering the forearm toward the ball, I usually end up with a good result. Similarly, I counter the muscles in my forward shoulder by energizing a small chest muscle. I also, especially on pitching, counter the muscles that flap my wrist at the same time letting the wrist be loose vertically and loose rolling over. Does this make sense. How about doing a tip on muscles?
Don
Never thought of that. I will have to try it at the range. I just told myself to not hit it or help it with my arms. I took 3 practice swings and got it. If what you are doing works keep doing it.
In keeping with this suggestion, I think it is difficult, no almost impossible, to feel “powerless arms”. Why, you ask? Because for truly powerless arms, they would completely drop to your sides i.e., no nerve innervation. Obviously, this never happens for you are holding your arms up and using them to support the club above the ground. While I agree with the concept of using the lower body via centrifugal force to drive the arms in a circular pattern in the down swing, to actually feel the arms powerless in total is not possible. That said, I do think there is a move/position that, if implemented, will result in the arms being driven by centrifugal lower body and that is the finish…if one can achieve the finish, a la Paul Wilson, then you have effectively used your lower body to achieve it. In a round I perhaps get two of these, at present, so I would suggest replacing the number of times “powerless arms”are achieved with a complete finish.
The “POWERLESS ARMS ” systèm of PAUL WILSON is a concept : I would prefer the terminologie of ” PASSIVE ARMS ” which is the one use d by famous pré war GOLF TEAÇHER PERCY BOOMER ( It’s exactly the same concept) .This concept does work !
M’y own idéa of the swing is I’m flailing a whip ,not a club.
You do not know what powerless arms is so you need to immediately watch the tips below. Powerless arms is you not hitting or helping the ball in any way with your arms. It is not floppy arms. It is vital you understand the difference if you want to get it. Watch:
Is there a way, or method, to tell if one has used powerless arms or not, per shot? I know I once ‘thought’ I was doing pretty good lag, and then took a video of myself only to “shockingly” see I had zero lag. Apparently, just ‘feeling’ like you are doing something is not a good way to know. I seem to get into a decent finish position (per Paul’s direction) but I sort of doubt that that means I had powerless arms during that swing, and as I said, am quite sure it does to mean I had good lag. So what is it? How does one tell? How does one tell if it is a powerless arm swing even by looking at a video of the swing?
Though you have showet the powerless arms method several times I still have a question. Do you feel that the arms are swinging around as a string or do you move them around with you body as a sttraight and ‘stiff’ arm as in Iron Byron ? If it is like IB and the machine stoppes before impact the release of the arm will also stop, would’nt it ?
My arms are extended. I just feel they are not hitting or helping the shot in any way. So this is more as I am approaching impact. I feel the club coming in to the ball and instead of adding a “hit” I do nothing. In doing so, I feel the weight of the club and let it swing undisturbed into the through swing.
Not sure why you think the arm of Iron Byron stops at impact. I certainly does not do this. The arm only stops at the follow through once it starts coming down. Please clarify if I am not hearing you right.
Paul,
Like all the charting. I do it on my scorecards. I also chart how many putts I take and the putt lengths. For instance, I will put a 2 for number of putts, 54P to indicate length of first and that I was on ”pro” side and a 2 to indicate length of second putt. Can fit on a separate box on scorecard if pencil is sharp. This way I know I am getting my lengths right generally on first putts (if I start getting 3-putts or the second number gets bigger than say 2 for length, then I go back and work the long putts in practice more). Improvement comes from measurement and studying yourself for sure!
Kim
Paul I have been meaning to get back to you on the Powerless Arms/Putting Chart for some time. Just went in to print out some and wanted to comment.
I have been using the charts for every round since you came out with them. I use a pretty simple process for tee and approach shots. A check mark for pretty good to very good powerless arms, hash mark for so/so powerless arms (good intentions but didn’t quit pull it off), and x mark for that just sucked.
The Putting part of the chart has also kept me alert to playing the pro-side of the hole and trying to dye my putts in the hole. Obviously don’t always get it right but keeps me thinking the correct thoughts.
I know you said at one point you weren’t getting any feedback on this so I for one find the chart very helpful (I’m always striving for powerless arms and I have visual results of how my day is going).
Thanks, Kerm
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12 Responses to “Chart Your Progress”
March 27, 2016
DonLocharyPaul, just an off the wall suggestion on learning powerless arms. I seem to get good results by focussing on a particular muscle. For example, my back arm tricep. If, while I’m practicing, I energize the bicep slightly to keep the tricep from contracting during the downswing and powering the forearm toward the ball, I usually end up with a good result. Similarly, I counter the muscles in my forward shoulder by energizing a small chest muscle. I also, especially on pitching, counter the muscles that flap my wrist at the same time letting the wrist be loose vertically and loose rolling over. Does this make sense. How about doing a tip on muscles?
Don
March 28, 2016
Paul WilsonDon,
Never thought of that. I will have to try it at the range. I just told myself to not hit it or help it with my arms. I took 3 practice swings and got it. If what you are doing works keep doing it.
March 28, 2016
KenPerezIn keeping with this suggestion, I think it is difficult, no almost impossible, to feel “powerless arms”. Why, you ask? Because for truly powerless arms, they would completely drop to your sides i.e., no nerve innervation. Obviously, this never happens for you are holding your arms up and using them to support the club above the ground. While I agree with the concept of using the lower body via centrifugal force to drive the arms in a circular pattern in the down swing, to actually feel the arms powerless in total is not possible. That said, I do think there is a move/position that, if implemented, will result in the arms being driven by centrifugal lower body and that is the finish…if one can achieve the finish, a la Paul Wilson, then you have effectively used your lower body to achieve it. In a round I perhaps get two of these, at present, so I would suggest replacing the number of times “powerless arms”are achieved with a complete finish.
March 28, 2016
RaymondCHASTELThe “POWERLESS ARMS ” systèm of PAUL WILSON is a concept : I would prefer the terminologie of ” PASSIVE ARMS ” which is the one use d by famous pré war GOLF TEAÇHER PERCY BOOMER ( It’s exactly the same concept) .This concept does work !
M’y own idéa of the swing is I’m flailing a whip ,not a club.
March 28, 2016
Paul WilsonKen,
You do not know what powerless arms is so you need to immediately watch the tips below. Powerless arms is you not hitting or helping the ball in any way with your arms. It is not floppy arms. It is vital you understand the difference if you want to get it. Watch:
What Is Powerless Arms?: https://ignitiongolf.com/what-is-powerless-arms/
Powerless Arms Test: https://ignitiongolf.com/powerless-arms-test/
Powerless Arms – The Trust Factor: https://ignitiongolf.com/the-trust-factor/
How To Get Powerless Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-get-powerless-arms/
Powerless Arms vs Floppy Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/powerless-arms-vs-floppy-arms/
March 28, 2016
BriIs there a way, or method, to tell if one has used powerless arms or not, per shot? I know I once ‘thought’ I was doing pretty good lag, and then took a video of myself only to “shockingly” see I had zero lag. Apparently, just ‘feeling’ like you are doing something is not a good way to know. I seem to get into a decent finish position (per Paul’s direction) but I sort of doubt that that means I had powerless arms during that swing, and as I said, am quite sure it does to mean I had good lag. So what is it? How does one tell? How does one tell if it is a powerless arm swing even by looking at a video of the swing?
April 5, 2016
JohnSteenThough you have showet the powerless arms method several times I still have a question. Do you feel that the arms are swinging around as a string or do you move them around with you body as a sttraight and ‘stiff’ arm as in Iron Byron ? If it is like IB and the machine stoppes before impact the release of the arm will also stop, would’nt it ?
April 6, 2016
Paul WilsonJohn,
My arms are extended. I just feel they are not hitting or helping the shot in any way. So this is more as I am approaching impact. I feel the club coming in to the ball and instead of adding a “hit” I do nothing. In doing so, I feel the weight of the club and let it swing undisturbed into the through swing.
Not sure why you think the arm of Iron Byron stops at impact. I certainly does not do this. The arm only stops at the follow through once it starts coming down. Please clarify if I am not hearing you right.
April 16, 2016
KimBozikPaul,
Like all the charting. I do it on my scorecards. I also chart how many putts I take and the putt lengths. For instance, I will put a 2 for number of putts, 54P to indicate length of first and that I was on ”pro” side and a 2 to indicate length of second putt. Can fit on a separate box on scorecard if pencil is sharp. This way I know I am getting my lengths right generally on first putts (if I start getting 3-putts or the second number gets bigger than say 2 for length, then I go back and work the long putts in practice more). Improvement comes from measurement and studying yourself for sure!
Kim
April 17, 2016
Paul WilsonKim,
It’s good to chart certain things. Data doesn’t lie.
September 24, 2016
Kermit ClaytonPaul I have been meaning to get back to you on the Powerless Arms/Putting Chart for some time. Just went in to print out some and wanted to comment.
I have been using the charts for every round since you came out with them. I use a pretty simple process for tee and approach shots. A check mark for pretty good to very good powerless arms, hash mark for so/so powerless arms (good intentions but didn’t quit pull it off), and x mark for that just sucked.
The Putting part of the chart has also kept me alert to playing the pro-side of the hole and trying to dye my putts in the hole. Obviously don’t always get it right but keeps me thinking the correct thoughts.
I know you said at one point you weren’t getting any feedback on this so I for one find the chart very helpful (I’m always striving for powerless arms and I have visual results of how my day is going).
Thanks, Kerm
September 25, 2016
Paul WilsonKermit,
Wow. That’s great. Glad someone is using it. Seem to me it’s an easy way to see your improvement. Keep up the good work.