Should You Hit a Draw or a Fade?

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Paul Wilson

Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine. YouTube Channels: Paul Wilson Golf and Ignition Golf Tips. Please Join me on Google+

53 Responses to “Should You Hit a Draw or a Fade?”

  1. December 26, 2012

    barrybower

    HI Paul Always was a slicer,since going to your method , have gotten rid of slice ,now drawing or hooking the ball 100% of time,odd push. working on minimizing hooks. i see your point ,when it hooks it really hooks. took me 6 months to achieve this, the 0% arms feeling just clicked in recently,hit some of the best, staightest shots i have ever hit swinging the easiest i ever swung. Just recently started to hit shots consistenly ,draws with occasional hooks. My question is , should i start trying to incorporate the fade shot now or still work on making the draw more ingrained( this consistency has only been around for the last 5 rounds of golf) . great drills .try them all.

    • Paul Wilson

      December 26, 2012

      Paul Wilson

      Barry,

      Work on hitting it somewhat straight for a little longer. I just think you have eliminated the slice long enough yet. It will become clear when you have enough control to start fading it.

  2. December 26, 2012

    mikeplummer

    Hi Paul and Merry Christmas! After watching the tip I am trying not to over analyze and hope I didn’t miss what I am asking. When you line up a little left with the club face at your target, do you still release the club with loose wrists as in our previous tips?
    Thanks, Mike

    • Paul Wilson

      December 26, 2012

      Paul Wilson

      Mike,

      Merry Christmas to you too.

      Yes, you do your normal swing. The ball is only fading because you pre-set the face open not because you are changing your swing.

  3. December 26, 2012

    LottaLiljegren

    more shots to learn…still struggling with straight shots! I have not started to imagine either draw or fade in my play yet! But the fact is that I often have the ball way out left….Should I try to control that by learning to fade the ball instead? Or should I just stay with having consistency at the straight shots? Merry X-mas!

  4. December 26, 2012

    JoseCarceller

    Paul, i’m not yet with the draw but getting closer after having gained tons of distance with your method. Still practicing releasing. And this is my question: does the fade loose a lot of distance with the driver? I’m using it for the greens since I don’t need the extra distance any more, but I’m scared the fade brings back the slice and the short hits!

  5. December 26, 2012

    LenKoblenz

    Hi Paul,
    I, too, am wondering whether the ball will fade if one is releasing his wrists. Until I recently learned (thanks to you) WHY I was fading/slicing the ball, I didn’t know what to practice to solve the problem. Releasing the wrists drills have helped tremendously. I am not drawing, hooking, or fading, but very rarely slicing. The light at the end of the tunnel is very bright. The thought of “trying” to fade the ball scares me now. Don’t want the ghosts of golf swings past to return.
    BTW, I expect to cut my 13.6 HC in half within a year thanks to you!

    • Paul Wilson

      December 26, 2012

      Paul Wilson

      Len,

      Yes the ball will fade because you are pre-setting the face open relative to your stance. You are doing your normal golf swing. The set up changes make it fade.

      Don’t work on the fade now. Just keep working on your overall swing. You will know when it’s time to fade it in the future.

      I hope you do cut your hdcp in half. It is easily doable with a little work on the right things (powerless arms/body rotation).

  6. December 26, 2012

    TIMADAMS

    Paul.
    When I Square up on the ball (w/driver especially)and attempt to draw or if it just goes straight I get 20-30yds more carry then when I fade it,Even w/pw.9i,8i,sw I’m a club longer than when I fade.Why is this?

    • Paul Wilson

      December 26, 2012

      Paul Wilson

      Tim,

      This is because when you are hitting your draw you are de-lofting the club plus you are releasing it properly. When fading the face is more open and you are holding off the release a little so it does not hook. The fade as I suggest is doing your normal golf swing (clubface releasing as it normally would). The ball is only fading due to the setup changes not because you are changing your swing.

  7. December 26, 2012

    MichaelSkeels

    Thanks!!

  8. December 26, 2012

    barrybower

    Paul What about offset drivers eg 1,2 degree open could you just line up square to target.

    • Paul Wilson

      December 28, 2012

      Paul Wilson

      Barry,

      No then you will hit the ball right. If you are fading you need to start the ball left. So you could line up straight left a little. IF the face is square to the target it should fade back.

  9. December 27, 2012

    SamPolverino

    Happy New Year and all of the best in 2013. Thanks for all the great tips.SJP

  10. December 27, 2012

    PatrickFox

    Hi Paul

    When I setup left with face open the grip/handle wants to move forward away from neutral position. Is that correct or does hands and grip stay neutral ans just the face is turned to intended target line?

    Thanks

    Patrick

    • Paul Wilson

      December 28, 2012

      Paul Wilson

      Patrick,

      I set the face at the target and take the stance left. Then I do my grip in whatever position the club is resting in. Try it this way first. If this does not work try the other way but I think doing it this way will slice it because it only takes a couple of degrees open to get the ball fading.

  11. December 27, 2012

    ERIABBERA

    MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY 2013 TO YOU TOO PAUL.

  12. December 27, 2012

    Ben

    G’day Paul,
    Lee Trevino said “You can talk to a fade but, a hook won’t listen”. Put another way, the draw spin makes the ball run, the fade spin restricts roll so the ball stops sooner. With a draw or hook the ball goes deeper into trouble.

    I used to have a little draw or straight shot, I guess my wrists are not as free now so, the fade happens more easily.

    • Paul Wilson

      December 28, 2012

      Paul Wilson

      Ben,

      Yes, Trevino said this and of course he was one of the best ball strikers ever. I like the fact that you don’t have to practice as much to hit this shot.

  13. January 4, 2013

    paulelliott

    Hi Paul,
    I play all my golf on links courses i changed from draw to fade but am getting fustrated with my new fade, lack of distance but is fantastic with iron shots onto greens!
    Should i revert back to draw with the driver?
    I did use to get into trouble sometimes with draw with the driver, the fade keeps me on fairway but in windy conditions into a 20mph wind the fade goes nowhere! So is the fade still the shot with the driver on a links course.
    I am a 6 handicapper.

    • Paul Wilson

      January 5, 2013

      Paul Wilson

      Paul,

      I would be working on the wrist release to make sure they are not tightening too much resulting in holding the face open too much. Remember, the fade should only be occurring because of the setup changes not because you are changing your swing in any way. So do the roll over drill (in practice swings only) with the wrists before you hit your shots and as you are practicing with the thought that you are going to keep the wrists loose. Then take your fade set up with the body slightly left of target (left side of the fairway with the face down the middle).

      Also, make sure you set up alignment sticks on the range and practice knowing that you are not aligned for too much of a fade. Give this a try first.

      Finally, you can always try to hit the ball straight. This is what I do with the tendency to have the ball fall right. This way the wind is not an issue.

      You can find the roll over drill in these tips:

      Manually Square the Clubface: http://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-clubface

      Manually Square the Clubface (Follow Up): http://ignitiongolf.com/impact-squaring-face-follow-up

  14. January 8, 2013

    paulelliott

    Hi Paul,

    Yes i was aiming now too far left!!
    Thanks for your help great website
    Paul

    • Paul Wilson

      January 8, 2013

      Paul Wilson

      Paul,

      I thought so. Glad we caught it.

      • January 9, 2013

        paulelliott

        Hi Paul,

        Please can you confirm that i bring the club back as normal (not outside the line) BUT on the downswing i swing to the left along the line of my feet?!

        Regards
        Paul

        • Paul Wilson

          January 9, 2013

          Paul Wilson

          Paul,

          In either of these shots you are doing your normal golf swing. You are only changing the setup to make the ball curve. If you change your swing you would now have to practice twice as hard. So keep doing the normal golf swing and work on changing the set up as I demonstrated in this tip.

          • January 10, 2013

            paulelliott

            Paul,

            I am still a little confused because in your video draw or fade you say for a fade you swing to the left because you are aimed to the left.

          • Paul Wilson

            January 10, 2013

            Paul Wilson

            Paul,

            You are doing your normal golf swing. If you aimed left and swung left the ball would go left. Now if you did the very same swing with the face slightly open the ball would fade to the right. It is your normal golf swing. Your setup is changes are causing the face to be open. So if you aim your body left you need to swing left.

  15. January 24, 2013

    JimRiley

    How do you stop your hands from turning over when you are swinging left I.e., what is your grip on this shot? Thanks

    • Paul Wilson

      January 24, 2013

      Paul Wilson

      Jim,

      You do not have to stop your hands from turning over. The ball is fading because you pre-set the face open. If you did a normal swing with the face open where would your ball go? It would fade. Now, do the very same thing but aim left. Now the ball will fade on target. In other words you are NOT changing your swing. You are changing your set up.

      • January 25, 2013

        JimRiley

        I understand all that (I do hit a draw without much difficulty but agree with your views on the fade). I guess I am not making myself clear so I will try again. Set up is fine. But, when I am going to swing I feel awkward in the swing and feel like I am turning the club over as I swing along the body line. Maybe it is the grip but I feel like I don’t have the natural power or swing in trying to keep the club face going down the target line.
        Anyways, I am really glad I found you again, you changed my game last year with your lessons on the swing (hips leading etc.) by the way what do you think of the reagar ? Wedges promoted on your former site.

        • Paul Wilson

          January 25, 2013

          Paul Wilson

          Jim,

          You are not trying to keep the club going down the line. The club is swinging left. The face is open to this path. To get used to it just set up square and aim the face a little right. Take normal swings like this and you will see the ball start fading. Once you get it fading slowly start to aim your body left while doing the same swing. No manipulation of the face. If you cannot get it to fade your grip is too strong so make sure it is neutral.

          I’m glad you found me again too. Just hoping other Revolution Golf members find me. I guess if they are looking for tips they may search for me.

          I have seen a few students with those wedges. They look good.

      • Thanks Paul, I think I understand it now. You are not setting the club face open to the target line at set up. You are setting your body open, and the club square to the target line, which opens it to the path. Correct?

  16. March 19, 2013

    paulelliott

    Paul,
    I have noticed that if i grip the club a bit tighter with my left hand i hit better fades and more consistent
    is this a correct thing to do?

    • Paul Wilson

      March 20, 2013

      Paul Wilson

      Paul,

      You are fading it when tightening the left hand because you are stopping the club from releasing fully. Remember, I want the arms powerless. If you are tightening the left hand you are using your hands. You should be fading it by aiming your body left and the face at the target not because you are manipulating the face.

  17. March 20, 2013

    paulelliott

    Thanks Paul,
    You would think I would have learnt by now to listen ONLY to you and not other so called experts!!

    • Paul Wilson

      March 20, 2013

      Paul Wilson

      Paul,

      Listeners are my best students. Whoever you decide to follow you must follow only that person. Too much information only leads to confusion. Glad you’re with me. Stick with it.

  18. Hi Paul, Great tip. I too think the draw is a “cool” shot, but it is so inconsistent, and harder to hit. My question is, with a fade are you still rolling over the forearms (releasing the club).

    • Gregory,

      Yes, you are doing your normal swing. The ball is fading due to the setup changes only.

  19. HerminioDiaz

    October 4, 2013

    HerminioDiaz

    Paul, from a back view it is hard to see were the ball position is when your body is open to the ball. Perhaps a front view will help to see how the ball position should be. Thank You.

    • Paul Wilson

      October 4, 2013

      Paul Wilson

      Herminio,

      The ball position is off the inside of the left heel regardless of the shot you are trying to hit.

  20. HerminioDiaz

    October 7, 2013

    HerminioDiaz

    Thank you for responding so fast Paul! I am having good results with fading the ball tip in the range and in playing. I do hit it straight left after two or three good fades . More work to be done! Thank you for your work, my game is taking a turn for the best. Regards, Herminio

    • Paul Wilson

      October 8, 2013

      Paul Wilson

      Herminio,

      That’s great. The fade should be a shot everyone knows how to hit. Keep up the good work.

  21. April 28, 2014

    DavidCalvert

    Hi Paul
    Just had my light bulb moment playing the other day that spring effect finally happened for me only took 6 months ha ha but the difference is amazing i thought i was hitting well before never dreamed of hitting them so well cant thank you enough so my advice to anyone who just cant get it keep trying it will happen mine did.
    my question is now i have a natural slight draw to my shots witch im very happy with id say its only about a 5 yard draw should i be happy with this or look at trying to hit a fade?
    coming from someone who was a huge slicer of the ball for years seeing the ball draw is a great feeling.

  22. June 5, 2014

    HermanKoh

    Hi Paul,

    Can I know the fade or the draw gives better distance and why?
    Thanks.

    Herman

    • Herman,

      The draw will give you more distance because the face is closing. If the face is closing it is not putting as much backspin on the ball.

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