Wade, Glad you figured that out. I was wondering when someone would day that. This is huge for the overall swing and widening the arc. Keep working on it.
Should I also pay attention to the angle of the club shaft to the arms when they are parallel to the ground (as per the back swing and through swing positions in the Swing Machine Golf program)? Or is this not so important relative to feeling the arms stretching out and the chest/armpit pressure. Also, I assume I should be doing this with relatively powerless arms, initiating the back and through movement with the upper body and lower body respectively?
Chad, You should always be working on the positions in Swing Machine Golf. At times you may want to think of the swing as a whole as opposed to precise positioning. After all you have to swing the club. The club going back will go up when you do the right takeaway. If you roll it, it will be flat going back. The club should be on plane in the through swing due to keeping the arms powerless and turning your body first in the downswing. When you do this, the mass (club) will swing towards 90 degrees to the axis (body).
The arms are powerless when you do your full swing. When you are working on some of the positions like the backswing and top of the backswing I need you to feel your arms to get the club in position. After you master the position the club will go to this position with them turned off.
Paul ,Greg NORMAN had a very long backswing and a very long throughswing also .
He was criticized for that!
TOM WATSON wrote that your right arm should be very relaxed in the throughswing (Another way to say “POWERLESS ARMS”).
Should you purposedly try to extend the arms in the throughswing or not ?
If you arms are buckled in the through swing and you tried turning them off and you are still buckling them then you would manually try to stretch them out in the through swing. Once you get it you turn them back off. There are many times when you are working on swing positions that you may feel your arms. Ultimate goal would be to master these positions and do them with the arms turned off.
I’ve been getting comments that I tend to drag the club too much on the back swing. If that is true, how am I suppose to make sure that its a one piece takeaway and also taking the club back with my shoulders (I’m using my left shoulder to push the club back). Do I lift the club to avoid dragging the club? Tq
Hi Paul
I will start working on this right away. I have been practicing your method for a little while now and am feeling like I’m stuck between my old swing and the new one. I was wondering Paul is there one or more drills that you would recommend to your online students above all others to help build a great foundation for the swing you teach? Like say an unrestricted wrist hinge, circular rotation and constant forward tilt? Touch the legs touch the head? Or perhaps your favorite drill. I am trying really hard to incorporate your technique and an looking for your personal favorites. Thanks coach
Just keep working on it. Sounds like you are close to a breakthough.
You need to be working on grip, setup and follow through first. This is what I teach everyone. You can find 8 lessons I teach everyone in order in the Dashboard under FULL SWING. It is the very first slide.
The drills you should be doing at home are roll overs and drill to loosen your wrists as well as swinging off the ground. You should also be working on swing positions in a mirror trying to make them perfect.
The best way to have a wide arc is to keep the shoulders ,ARMS And hands fully relaxed .
Easy to say ,difficult to acheive !
Pushing an object back with the Clubhead in the backswing helps widening the arc( Tennis ball ,médecine ball ,botte OF water ,etc..).
In the through swing ,keep the right arm ” LONG “.
All this damn difficult to acheive when playing for REAL on THE golf course .
It’s a mental problèm above all!
You may have just saved me (male, 68 year old) from giving up golf! Been a 15 down to 7 trending 10 recently, over last 5 years experimenting with single plane swing, but not satisfied with contact. Now that I’m back to more conventional swing, was very frustrated until I found this wonderful tip. Immediately straighter and longer iron shots. Much better fairway woods and hybrids. Thank you very much, glad I joined and am looking forward to improvement and back to the road to single digit index. I have hope again.
Thanks
That’s great news. Glad you are on track. It’s touch fixing single planers back to 2 plane. I do it all the time. Need to level out the shoulder plane first then lift the arms up. You have to do it in these 2 steps. This means you need to start with my taller set up. Once tall, you coil back more level. Arms will be flat at first. Then you lift them up. Once you train them to go there they will go there on their own. Stick to it. You will see more improvement in no time.
The right arm would feel like it is going straight down the line but you are not standing on the line. You are standing left of the line so your fully extended back arm would be left of the line. This doesn’t mean you are purposely swinging left. You do this and you will be in big trouble. Just feel the back arm extended and you should be fine. This is critical in maintaining arc width but it takes work to master it. Start out slow and do it every night until you get used to it.
Hi Paul, I have noticed on videos I’ve taken of my swing that my extension is OK, but I tend to lift my head as I am making impact with the ball, And my right shoulder tends to rise after impact. Is there a drill or anything else you can recommend? I have two videos of my swing if there is a way I can send them to you.
Unfortunately, we are not offering swing analysis at the moment. We did offer this for a small fee (if we offered this to everyone at no charge our whole day would be spend doing swing analysis). With myself and my assistant running things this is just not possible. I have something coming out in the next month or two that will solve this problem so just hang in there.
I would think you are lifting up because you are too tilted at setup. So I would check there first. You need to do my taller set up here:
Finally, to the right of the red navigation bar on any page you will see a search box. To the far right, type in whatever you are looking for and every tip I have ever done on that topic will be listed. In this cause type in topping and those tips will come up.
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20 Responses to “Widen Your Arc On Both Sides”
October 8, 2012
WadeThamesThe widen of the arc seems to help me with torque on the backswing.
October 8, 2012
Paul WilsonWade, Glad you figured that out. I was wondering when someone would day that. This is huge for the overall swing and widening the arc. Keep working on it.
October 12, 2012
chadcarpenterPaul,
Should I also pay attention to the angle of the club shaft to the arms when they are parallel to the ground (as per the back swing and through swing positions in the Swing Machine Golf program)? Or is this not so important relative to feeling the arms stretching out and the chest/armpit pressure. Also, I assume I should be doing this with relatively powerless arms, initiating the back and through movement with the upper body and lower body respectively?
October 13, 2012
Paul WilsonChad, You should always be working on the positions in Swing Machine Golf. At times you may want to think of the swing as a whole as opposed to precise positioning. After all you have to swing the club. The club going back will go up when you do the right takeaway. If you roll it, it will be flat going back. The club should be on plane in the through swing due to keeping the arms powerless and turning your body first in the downswing. When you do this, the mass (club) will swing towards 90 degrees to the axis (body).
The arms are powerless when you do your full swing. When you are working on some of the positions like the backswing and top of the backswing I need you to feel your arms to get the club in position. After you master the position the club will go to this position with them turned off.
January 11, 2013
paulelliottHi Paul,
General question
How do you think of all these ideas/tips! Do you sleep at night?
great website thanks for all your work.
January 14, 2013
Paul WilsonPaul,
I think of them while I am teaching etc. I have a list of about 350. A lot more to come.
July 1, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,Greg NORMAN had a very long backswing and a very long throughswing also .
He was criticized for that!
TOM WATSON wrote that your right arm should be very relaxed in the throughswing (Another way to say “POWERLESS ARMS”).
Should you purposedly try to extend the arms in the throughswing or not ?
July 1, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
If you arms are buckled in the through swing and you tried turning them off and you are still buckling them then you would manually try to stretch them out in the through swing. Once you get it you turn them back off. There are many times when you are working on swing positions that you may feel your arms. Ultimate goal would be to master these positions and do them with the arms turned off.
November 3, 2014
ZamHi Paul,
I’ve been getting comments that I tend to drag the club too much on the back swing. If that is true, how am I suppose to make sure that its a one piece takeaway and also taking the club back with my shoulders (I’m using my left shoulder to push the club back). Do I lift the club to avoid dragging the club? Tq
Regards,
Zam
November 4, 2014
Paul WilsonZam,
Do you drag the putter when you putt? I doubt it. So why would you do this with a club? It is the same thing.
Watch:
One Piece Takeaway: https://ignitiongolf.com/master-one-piece-takeaway
Keep the letter Y and take it back with your shoulders.
November 28, 2015
markhancockHi Paul
I will start working on this right away. I have been practicing your method for a little while now and am feeling like I’m stuck between my old swing and the new one. I was wondering Paul is there one or more drills that you would recommend to your online students above all others to help build a great foundation for the swing you teach? Like say an unrestricted wrist hinge, circular rotation and constant forward tilt? Touch the legs touch the head? Or perhaps your favorite drill. I am trying really hard to incorporate your technique and an looking for your personal favorites. Thanks coach
November 29, 2015
Paul WilsonMark,
Just keep working on it. Sounds like you are close to a breakthough.
You need to be working on grip, setup and follow through first. This is what I teach everyone. You can find 8 lessons I teach everyone in order in the Dashboard under FULL SWING. It is the very first slide.
The drills you should be doing at home are roll overs and drill to loosen your wrists as well as swinging off the ground. You should also be working on swing positions in a mirror trying to make them perfect.
WRISTS
Drill – Smooth Wrist Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/smooth-wrist-release/
DRILL – Watch Your Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-watch-release/
Drill – Grip Down To Feel The Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/grip-down-feel-release/
DRILL: Release and Rehinge: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-feel-release-rehinge/
BODY
DRILL: Helicopter: https://ignitiongolf.com/important-warm-drill
DRILL: Helicopter 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/learning-to-coil/
DRILL: Swing Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-off-ground
DRILL: My Favorite Drill – Variation 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/favorite-drill-variation-2/
DRILL: Listen to Club Swinging: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-listen-to-club
DRILL: How To Really Increase Power: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-really-increase-power/
You can also find more drills in these areas in the Dashbaord under DRILLS
November 28, 2015
RaymondCHASTELThe best way to have a wide arc is to keep the shoulders ,ARMS And hands fully relaxed .
Easy to say ,difficult to acheive !
Pushing an object back with the Clubhead in the backswing helps widening the arc( Tennis ball ,médecine ball ,botte OF water ,etc..).
In the through swing ,keep the right arm ” LONG “.
All this damn difficult to acheive when playing for REAL on THE golf course .
It’s a mental problèm above all!
November 29, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
It sure is. People insist on hitting the ball hard when deep down they know they can hit it just as far without hitting anything and swinging slower.
February 10, 2016
BruceBergYou may have just saved me (male, 68 year old) from giving up golf! Been a 15 down to 7 trending 10 recently, over last 5 years experimenting with single plane swing, but not satisfied with contact. Now that I’m back to more conventional swing, was very frustrated until I found this wonderful tip. Immediately straighter and longer iron shots. Much better fairway woods and hybrids. Thank you very much, glad I joined and am looking forward to improvement and back to the road to single digit index. I have hope again.
Thanks
February 12, 2016
Paul WilsonBruce,
That’s great news. Glad you are on track. It’s touch fixing single planers back to 2 plane. I do it all the time. Need to level out the shoulder plane first then lift the arms up. You have to do it in these 2 steps. This means you need to start with my taller set up. Once tall, you coil back more level. Arms will be flat at first. Then you lift them up. Once you train them to go there they will go there on their own. Stick to it. You will see more improvement in no time.
March 25, 2017
rodbeuthinGreat tip Paul in the through swing should you feel the right arm going straight down the line or going left of the line.
March 26, 2017
Paul WilsonRod,
Glad you liked it thanks.
The right arm would feel like it is going straight down the line but you are not standing on the line. You are standing left of the line so your fully extended back arm would be left of the line. This doesn’t mean you are purposely swinging left. You do this and you will be in big trouble. Just feel the back arm extended and you should be fine. This is critical in maintaining arc width but it takes work to master it. Start out slow and do it every night until you get used to it.
December 28, 2018
JonathanComptonHi Paul, I have noticed on videos I’ve taken of my swing that my extension is OK, but I tend to lift my head as I am making impact with the ball, And my right shoulder tends to rise after impact. Is there a drill or anything else you can recommend? I have two videos of my swing if there is a way I can send them to you.
December 30, 2018
Paul WilsonJohnathan,
Unfortunately, we are not offering swing analysis at the moment. We did offer this for a small fee (if we offered this to everyone at no charge our whole day would be spend doing swing analysis). With myself and my assistant running things this is just not possible. I have something coming out in the next month or two that will solve this problem so just hang in there.
I would think you are lifting up because you are too tilted at setup. So I would check there first. You need to do my taller set up here:
A New Way To Get The Taller Setup: https://ignitiongolf.com/new-way-taller-setup/
Taller Setup: https://ignitiongolf.com/bartender-setup/
Stand Tall with Short Clubs: https://ignitiongolf.com/stand-tall-short-clubs/
Also, you can watch this tip:
Spine Angle Follow Through: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-eyes-tilted
Finally, to the right of the red navigation bar on any page you will see a search box. To the far right, type in whatever you are looking for and every tip I have ever done on that topic will be listed. In this cause type in topping and those tips will come up.