Hi paul
You may remember I was on your site several months ago but due to having another baby golf was put on the back burner for me.
I had also somewhat given up on your method as I was really struggling to take my arms out of my swing and had lost a lot of distance so went back hitting with hands and arms to witch I had some success but never had any consistency.
having to think about taking the club back right starting with my hips keeping the club on the right path staying over the ball was to much and as so was very inconsistent.
I started my golfing life 2 years ago on 29 and now play off 18 witch has been a good drop but I’m desperate to get down into the low teens.
I feel I don’t hit the ball any were near as far as a person of my height and build should witch is very frustrating for me
I’m hoping a second spell of your method can give me the desired results I’m looking for.
Glad you have you back. I get a lot of people coming back after they realize hitting the ball is inconsistent or it hurts their body.
I keep telling people it is about the movement and building a great swing. It is not about the ball. So from here on work on the positions precisely. I cannot touch my legs better than them touching. I cannot get the club more parallel to my ears. I cannot coil more than my maximum and cannot hinge more than my wrists allow. If I cannot do these things any better than that you need to copy what I am doing. At an 18hdcp I would think you are not doing it exactly right just yet. So stay focused on the positions. Be patient and work on one or tow things at a time.
Here is what you work on first until it is mastered:
Once you get this you then work on the backswing. I am well over 90% success rate in getting people to hit the ball better than they ever have in their life just working on these things alone.
Now once you have good move you need to turn faster to hit it father. Couple with this is keeping you wrists loose.
How many time did you do the drills below? These are drills to get you moving your body faster. You need to do them every night until it is unmistakeable that you are feeling your legs and hips powering the swing. UNMISTAKABLE
There seems to be a possible conflict with “lag and release” vs. the quick turn of the hips; right leg touching left leg; the pivot…. and the arms will go along with this motion automatically, ie, forget about the arms. The pivot and turn normally allow the hands to roll over with the full swing? But here, there seems to be an advance need to now manage the arms to create a much sooner release roll of the hands. Also on your video when preparing for lag and release, you show the driver to be almost straight up with a different plane of the back swing which would make the down swing more challenging? But you did say to practice this a 1000 times to get the hang of it?
I have said a million times that when you’re working on position you will feel your arms. How else are you going to master certain moves. Once mastered turn them off and not hit of help the shot in any way with your arms. That is the whole meaning of powerless arms.
If you were a kid and had no arms strength you would lag the club perfectly as I have seen in countless younger players swings with no mention of lag.
I am showing this as holding the lag angle to its maximum in my wrists. I am not trying for perfect positioning. I am trying to create lag.
Paul, All of what you teach is 100% right ,but has to be practiced over on over again to get it ingrained .
Now ,you can’t do these movements correctly and consistently if you don’t work simultaneously on the flexibility of YOUR body .
Apart from the excellent teaching of JEREMY KLINKHAMER on YOUR site ,every serious golfer should read what ROGER FREDERICKS says in his book ” THE FLEXIBLE GOLF SWING “.
In short ,if YOUR body isn’t traine d properly to exécute the golf MOVES ,you won’t be able to do them .
You are right. Roger’s stuff is great. Just talked to him last night. Flexibility sure makes a lot of learning the swing easier. Hopefully, everyone hears it and is working on it.
Paul, im a complete believer in your teaching method. I was not improving and decided to try your method and suddenly I gained a lot of distance as well as dropped my handicap (from 20 to 11). My improvement comes mainly from the driver where I have gained a lot of distance and accuracy but according to various statistics Im struggling more with my irons. I should have better GIRs stats (62% fairways and only 32% Gir according to Game Golf) Lately I have tried (at least what it feels like) to hold the release with irons (something like hinge and hold) hitting only with my body turn and better shots are the result of my recent discover. Could it be that I was unconsciously casting the club? Or it is just a feel
I would think there is some hitting going on with the irons. When the ball is on the ground people want to bend over too much. In doing so they try to hit down too much. If you are hitting you are not basing it on coiling and uncoiling. No toque and it will be inconsistent.
The problem with hinge and hold is that you are manipulating the face. You might be doing a little better now because of it but you are going to have to practice a lot more and I can’t see you getting to an even higher percentage.
What you need to be doing is your driver swing with your irons. This means standing taller at set up. Coiling the shoulders more level to the ground going back and uncoiling with the lower coming down all while letting the club swing wherever it wants to swing. If you stand taller you will most likely hit it thin for about 5-10 mins. Once you get used to it and relax your arms you will start making better contact. Once you get used to it I know you will hit it even better than you are. I prove it every day.
Paul ,On the lag drills “per se ” ,apart from the one you show in this very interesting video ,you demonstrated a few ones a year or more ago ,which you called “your favorite drills “:basically turning the lower body first ,then the arms and club .
I’ve been practising these “favorite drills “in earnest and can testify they work beautifully .
I also keep awareness on what my elbows are doing in the downswing .
I’m glad you are doing the favorite drills regularly. This is what I keep telling people. If you have had a lifetime of hitting with arms and I have a drills that allows you to feel your legs you need to keep doing it until you train your legs to power the swing. That coupled with lag and release and the power should be there.
As I’ve learned another sport: crawl before you walk, walk before you run there’s no substitute.
Learning your method I instantly lost 30 yards but stuck with it and now I am hitting a good 25 yards past what I’ve ever had with more consistentcy. Still have a long way to go but love your system. Hope to see you in Las Vegas Sunday for a personal lesson
People may lose distance at first because they are not good at using the legs to power the swing. As you found out that if you stick with it you hit it even longer than before with less effort.
If someone has hit a shot in their life 30-50 yards farther than any other shot they have ever hit why wouldn’t they be trying to do this swing all of the time? This effortless swing is what I teach and it’s a great feeling when you master it.
Just let me know if you can make it. It would be great to meet and work with you.
I have been looking at iron byron and seen how lag is maintained through the downswing. Are there a mechanical way the lag are hold in this swing or are the Club totaly free from top to finish ?
If it is totally free it should be possible for humans like me and you to do the same. When seeing you do it beside the machine it looks very similar. But why will I , an average golfer, loose the lag. I am not trying to hit, but when video it I can clearly see that I loose it long time before impact.
When I think of the centrifugal power it will try to straighten out the club, twirling along an axis (just as you show With the covers) this is just the way of Natural Power. It will not lag far behind the axis.
This is thechnical yes, but I try to understand the lag process and how I should obtain it. The drills you have shown so far does not seem to work for me, maybe I am doing them wrong and don’t have enough patience.
There are gears in the hinge. This is to allow it to square perfect after millions of repetitions and to apply breaks so the shaft does not snap after it hit the ball (which it did before the gears were added).
It is possible for you to be loose. I see it all the time in little kids. Will you be that loose? No. I have yet to see someone do it. So if this is the case I want you to manually set and work on all positions and look towards making them powerless into the future. Were mine powerless before 1999? No. The day I stopped trying to hit with my arms was the day I got it.
Average golfers lose the angle because they are not turning anywhere near as fast as a pro. It is 1/4 of a second from the top to impact. In this time, you need 90 degrees of rotation. The faster you turn the more compression on this angle until the last millisecond where the angle is released because the mass is trying to move to its widest point.
AS much as you think you are not hitting I guarantee you are. As I said, I have not seen one average golfer no hit with the arms. The feeling of loosening up is deceiving. You think this is powerless when really this is a little looser than what you have been doing. Although a good start, you will need to be even loser and more powerless.
You are being impatient. I worked on this angle for a very long time. Keep in mind I was also doing it daily and thousands of repetitions. So you need to be doing it daily too. Now, as you are working on it you are not even thinking about it. You just know that if you keep doing it, it will be there one day in the future. At the same time, you need to be working on the rotational speed of your body to actually power your swing. Getting the lag is great but it has to be connected to something. This something is your body turning fast.
I wouldn’t even be working on this until you feel that your overall swing positions are close to that of a pro. By working on your swing positions you are learning the right fundamentals. As you learn the right fundamentals you will in turn get lag.
OK, so, I totally lost my swing this morning. I played the worst 9 I’ve ever played. Topping the ball, shaking the ball, huge slice, no distance off the tee, so I quit after 9. On the drive home I was beating myself up about my morning because I quit and if you knew anything about me I’m not a quitter. So I had lunch and went to the range. I thought about everything I’ve learned here and how much it’s helped but where did my swing go? Well, I found it. I wasn’t holding my lag angle long enough. I must have been casting casting before. Now in holding the lag angle longer I was hitting longer and straighter than I have in a long time.
But, if it doesn’t go straight I’m hooking or pull hooking the ball and when I try to move my hips faster I seem to go too fast and push the ball right. What is the best way to correct this? Is it a tempo problem at this point?
I’ve lost my swing many times in the past. No fun. Topping, shanking, slicing … these are all signs you are swinging way too hard. Should have immediately slowed down to 50%, loosened up started making solid contact again. Then you would speed up the lower body to get more power.
Casting would be you hitting with arms too. So again another sign you were hitting.
Pull and pull hook is you starting the arms first. Need more lower body.
Pushes is you driving the lower way too hard. Slow down. Plus you said you are holding the lag angle. Probably holding it too long so the face is open.
Paul, love your tips and drills. My game has improved greatly. My irons have been really crisp and consistent. My issue has been with the driver. For a recent demo day, I was on the Tracman and they had recorded me hitting down on the driver between 4 and 7 degrees. Tried making sure I am playing the ball forward in my stance and straightening my left lag.
I am a 6 handicapper who only hits it 220-230 off the tee. My ilong iron play is keeping my scores low. Can only imagine my score if I was hitting shorter irons
Thank you so much. I truly appreciate it. Glad you are improving. I love hearing it.
Hitting down that much is a serious problem. 1 degree is fine but more than that and I would fix it.
The ball position and locking the lead leg are important but what you have to do is stay behind the ball as you hit the ball. You are getting ahead of it with your upper body in the downswing. Somehow you have been able to square the face. Not sure but I would suspect you live in a windy place.
So you need to stay behind it. I just did a tip on this here:
So working on this is probably going to mess you up as this will be a whole new way to hit the ball. I would also check your grip to make sure you aren’t re-gripping causing you to de-loft the club as well.
I would be doing those drills above nightly in the backyard. Possible even watching yourself in a mirror to make sure you are staying behind it longer. Give it a try.
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20 Responses to “Distance Series – Lag”
December 4, 2014
DavidCalvertHi paul
You may remember I was on your site several months ago but due to having another baby golf was put on the back burner for me.
I had also somewhat given up on your method as I was really struggling to take my arms out of my swing and had lost a lot of distance so went back hitting with hands and arms to witch I had some success but never had any consistency.
having to think about taking the club back right starting with my hips keeping the club on the right path staying over the ball was to much and as so was very inconsistent.
I started my golfing life 2 years ago on 29 and now play off 18 witch has been a good drop but I’m desperate to get down into the low teens.
I feel I don’t hit the ball any were near as far as a person of my height and build should witch is very frustrating for me
I’m hoping a second spell of your method can give me the desired results I’m looking for.
December 5, 2014
Paul WilsonDavid,
Glad you have you back. I get a lot of people coming back after they realize hitting the ball is inconsistent or it hurts their body.
I keep telling people it is about the movement and building a great swing. It is not about the ball. So from here on work on the positions precisely. I cannot touch my legs better than them touching. I cannot get the club more parallel to my ears. I cannot coil more than my maximum and cannot hinge more than my wrists allow. If I cannot do these things any better than that you need to copy what I am doing. At an 18hdcp I would think you are not doing it exactly right just yet. So stay focused on the positions. Be patient and work on one or tow things at a time.
Here is what you work on first until it is mastered:
—————-
Grip
—————-
Left Hand: https://ignitiongolf.com/left-hand-grip
Right Hand: https://ignitiongolf.com/right-hand-grip
—————-
Setup
—————-
Set Up Steps: https://ignitiongolf.com/setup-position
—————-
Follow Through
—————-
Legs Touching: https://ignitiongolf.com/touch-knees
Secret of the Starting the Downswing (using triggers – off big toe curve): https://ignitiongolf.com/shift-roll/
One Of The Secrets To The Golf Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/secrets-to-golf-swing/
Spine Angle Follow Through: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-eyes-tilted
Once you get this you then work on the backswing. I am well over 90% success rate in getting people to hit the ball better than they ever have in their life just working on these things alone.
Now once you have good move you need to turn faster to hit it father. Couple with this is keeping you wrists loose.
How many time did you do the drills below? These are drills to get you moving your body faster. You need to do them every night until it is unmistakeable that you are feeling your legs and hips powering the swing. UNMISTAKABLE
It’s An Unmistakable Feeling In Your Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/unmistakable-feeling-legs/
Here:
Power: How I Got Power In My Swing: https://ignitiongolf.com/power-dig-foot-in/
Drills:
DRILL: Swing Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-swing-off-ground
DRILL: My Favorite Drill – Variation 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/favorite-drill-variation-2/
DRILL: Swing Off Ground Variation: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-variation-favorite-drill/
DRILL: Listen to Club Swinging: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-listen-to-club
December 5, 2014
CraigMinnerHi Paul,
There seems to be a possible conflict with “lag and release” vs. the quick turn of the hips; right leg touching left leg; the pivot…. and the arms will go along with this motion automatically, ie, forget about the arms. The pivot and turn normally allow the hands to roll over with the full swing? But here, there seems to be an advance need to now manage the arms to create a much sooner release roll of the hands. Also on your video when preparing for lag and release, you show the driver to be almost straight up with a different plane of the back swing which would make the down swing more challenging? But you did say to practice this a 1000 times to get the hang of it?
December 5, 2014
Paul WilsonCraig,
I have said a million times that when you’re working on position you will feel your arms. How else are you going to master certain moves. Once mastered turn them off and not hit of help the shot in any way with your arms. That is the whole meaning of powerless arms.
If you were a kid and had no arms strength you would lag the club perfectly as I have seen in countless younger players swings with no mention of lag.
I am showing this as holding the lag angle to its maximum in my wrists. I am not trying for perfect positioning. I am trying to create lag.
December 5, 2014
Paul WilsonCraig,
I forgot to post this:
What Is Powerless Arms?: https://ignitiongolf.com/what-is-powerless-arms/
So work on the positions and develop a great swing. Then turn your arms off. Then you will hit it with amazing consistency.
December 5, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul, All of what you teach is 100% right ,but has to be practiced over on over again to get it ingrained .
Now ,you can’t do these movements correctly and consistently if you don’t work simultaneously on the flexibility of YOUR body .
Apart from the excellent teaching of JEREMY KLINKHAMER on YOUR site ,every serious golfer should read what ROGER FREDERICKS says in his book ” THE FLEXIBLE GOLF SWING “.
In short ,if YOUR body isn’t traine d properly to exécute the golf MOVES ,you won’t be able to do them .
December 6, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
You are right. Roger’s stuff is great. Just talked to him last night. Flexibility sure makes a lot of learning the swing easier. Hopefully, everyone hears it and is working on it.
December 5, 2014
JoseCarcellerPaul, im a complete believer in your teaching method. I was not improving and decided to try your method and suddenly I gained a lot of distance as well as dropped my handicap (from 20 to 11). My improvement comes mainly from the driver where I have gained a lot of distance and accuracy but according to various statistics Im struggling more with my irons. I should have better GIRs stats (62% fairways and only 32% Gir according to Game Golf) Lately I have tried (at least what it feels like) to hold the release with irons (something like hinge and hold) hitting only with my body turn and better shots are the result of my recent discover. Could it be that I was unconsciously casting the club? Or it is just a feel
December 6, 2014
Paul WilsonJose,
It’s great to hear of your improvement.
I would think there is some hitting going on with the irons. When the ball is on the ground people want to bend over too much. In doing so they try to hit down too much. If you are hitting you are not basing it on coiling and uncoiling. No toque and it will be inconsistent.
The problem with hinge and hold is that you are manipulating the face. You might be doing a little better now because of it but you are going to have to practice a lot more and I can’t see you getting to an even higher percentage.
What you need to be doing is your driver swing with your irons. This means standing taller at set up. Coiling the shoulders more level to the ground going back and uncoiling with the lower coming down all while letting the club swing wherever it wants to swing. If you stand taller you will most likely hit it thin for about 5-10 mins. Once you get used to it and relax your arms you will start making better contact. Once you get used to it I know you will hit it even better than you are. I prove it every day.
December 5, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,On the lag drills “per se ” ,apart from the one you show in this very interesting video ,you demonstrated a few ones a year or more ago ,which you called “your favorite drills “:basically turning the lower body first ,then the arms and club .
I’ve been practising these “favorite drills “in earnest and can testify they work beautifully .
I also keep awareness on what my elbows are doing in the downswing .
December 6, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I’m glad you are doing the favorite drills regularly. This is what I keep telling people. If you have had a lifetime of hitting with arms and I have a drills that allows you to feel your legs you need to keep doing it until you train your legs to power the swing. That coupled with lag and release and the power should be there.
December 5, 2014
BruceJespersenAs I’ve learned another sport: crawl before you walk, walk before you run there’s no substitute.
Learning your method I instantly lost 30 yards but stuck with it and now I am hitting a good 25 yards past what I’ve ever had with more consistentcy. Still have a long way to go but love your system. Hope to see you in Las Vegas Sunday for a personal lesson
December 6, 2014
Paul WilsonBruce,
People may lose distance at first because they are not good at using the legs to power the swing. As you found out that if you stick with it you hit it even longer than before with less effort.
If someone has hit a shot in their life 30-50 yards farther than any other shot they have ever hit why wouldn’t they be trying to do this swing all of the time? This effortless swing is what I teach and it’s a great feeling when you master it.
Just let me know if you can make it. It would be great to meet and work with you.
December 10, 2014
JohnSteenPaul,
I have been looking at iron byron and seen how lag is maintained through the downswing. Are there a mechanical way the lag are hold in this swing or are the Club totaly free from top to finish ?
If it is totally free it should be possible for humans like me and you to do the same. When seeing you do it beside the machine it looks very similar. But why will I , an average golfer, loose the lag. I am not trying to hit, but when video it I can clearly see that I loose it long time before impact.
When I think of the centrifugal power it will try to straighten out the club, twirling along an axis (just as you show With the covers) this is just the way of Natural Power. It will not lag far behind the axis.
This is thechnical yes, but I try to understand the lag process and how I should obtain it. The drills you have shown so far does not seem to work for me, maybe I am doing them wrong and don’t have enough patience.
John
December 10, 2014
Paul WilsonJohn,
There are gears in the hinge. This is to allow it to square perfect after millions of repetitions and to apply breaks so the shaft does not snap after it hit the ball (which it did before the gears were added).
It is possible for you to be loose. I see it all the time in little kids. Will you be that loose? No. I have yet to see someone do it. So if this is the case I want you to manually set and work on all positions and look towards making them powerless into the future. Were mine powerless before 1999? No. The day I stopped trying to hit with my arms was the day I got it.
Average golfers lose the angle because they are not turning anywhere near as fast as a pro. It is 1/4 of a second from the top to impact. In this time, you need 90 degrees of rotation. The faster you turn the more compression on this angle until the last millisecond where the angle is released because the mass is trying to move to its widest point.
AS much as you think you are not hitting I guarantee you are. As I said, I have not seen one average golfer no hit with the arms. The feeling of loosening up is deceiving. You think this is powerless when really this is a little looser than what you have been doing. Although a good start, you will need to be even loser and more powerless.
You are being impatient. I worked on this angle for a very long time. Keep in mind I was also doing it daily and thousands of repetitions. So you need to be doing it daily too. Now, as you are working on it you are not even thinking about it. You just know that if you keep doing it, it will be there one day in the future. At the same time, you need to be working on the rotational speed of your body to actually power your swing. Getting the lag is great but it has to be connected to something. This something is your body turning fast.
I wouldn’t even be working on this until you feel that your overall swing positions are close to that of a pro. By working on your swing positions you are learning the right fundamentals. As you learn the right fundamentals you will in turn get lag.
December 10, 2014
Paul WilsonHere is everything I have on lag so far:
How to Feel Lag: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-lag-1/
How To Feel Lag 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/lag-follow-up/
Lag And Release Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/lag-release-drill
How Lag Affects Power: https://ignitiongolf.com/power-lag/
Old But Good Lag Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/old-good-lag-drill/
Holding Your Lag Angle Too Long?: https://ignitiongolf.com/hold-lag-too-long/
You Must Set The Top Before You Work On Lag: https://ignitiongolf.com/set-top-lag/
Does Turning Off Arms Create Lag? https://ignitiongolf.com/powerless-arms-create-lag/
DRILL: Lag Drill: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lag/
DRILL: Lag Drill 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-move-hips-hold-lag/
DRILL: Work On Lag Anywhere: https://ignitiongolf.com/work-on-lag-anywhere/
DRILL: Hold Lag Turn Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-hold-lag-turn-hips/
DRILL: Lag Ear to Ear: https://ignitiongolf.com/lag-release-drill
DRILL: Increase lag: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-lag
November 3, 2015
CharlesKellerOK, so, I totally lost my swing this morning. I played the worst 9 I’ve ever played. Topping the ball, shaking the ball, huge slice, no distance off the tee, so I quit after 9. On the drive home I was beating myself up about my morning because I quit and if you knew anything about me I’m not a quitter. So I had lunch and went to the range. I thought about everything I’ve learned here and how much it’s helped but where did my swing go? Well, I found it. I wasn’t holding my lag angle long enough. I must have been casting casting before. Now in holding the lag angle longer I was hitting longer and straighter than I have in a long time.
But, if it doesn’t go straight I’m hooking or pull hooking the ball and when I try to move my hips faster I seem to go too fast and push the ball right. What is the best way to correct this? Is it a tempo problem at this point?
Thanks for all your help.
November 4, 2015
Paul WilsonCharles,
I’ve lost my swing many times in the past. No fun. Topping, shanking, slicing … these are all signs you are swinging way too hard. Should have immediately slowed down to 50%, loosened up started making solid contact again. Then you would speed up the lower body to get more power.
Casting would be you hitting with arms too. So again another sign you were hitting.
Pull and pull hook is you starting the arms first. Need more lower body.
Pushes is you driving the lower way too hard. Slow down. Plus you said you are holding the lag angle. Probably holding it too long so the face is open.
Golf Swing Timing For More Distance: https://ignitiongolf.com/timing-more-distance/
So when you work on lag you hold the lag angle then release it. Lag and release.
DRILL: Lag And Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/lag-release-drill
Work on this but keep the wrists loose.
April 19, 2017
edwardkellyPaul, love your tips and drills. My game has improved greatly. My irons have been really crisp and consistent. My issue has been with the driver. For a recent demo day, I was on the Tracman and they had recorded me hitting down on the driver between 4 and 7 degrees. Tried making sure I am playing the ball forward in my stance and straightening my left lag.
I am a 6 handicapper who only hits it 220-230 off the tee. My ilong iron play is keeping my scores low. Can only imagine my score if I was hitting shorter irons
Thanks in advance
April 19, 2017
Paul WilsonEd,
Thank you so much. I truly appreciate it. Glad you are improving. I love hearing it.
Hitting down that much is a serious problem. 1 degree is fine but more than that and I would fix it.
The ball position and locking the lead leg are important but what you have to do is stay behind the ball as you hit the ball. You are getting ahead of it with your upper body in the downswing. Somehow you have been able to square the face. Not sure but I would suspect you live in a windy place.
So you need to stay behind it. I just did a tip on this here:
Watch Back of The Golf Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/watch-backside-golf-ball/
Impact Head Behind Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-head/
Body Tilt: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-body-tilt/
2 Things Flatten the Plane: https://ignitiongolf.com/2-things-flatten-plane/
DRILL: How To Feel the Body Tilt at Impact: https://ignitiongolf.com/how-to-feel-tilt-at-impact/
Also,
Hit Ball Higher: https://ignitiongolf.com/shot-hit-higher/
So working on this is probably going to mess you up as this will be a whole new way to hit the ball. I would also check your grip to make sure you aren’t re-gripping causing you to de-loft the club as well.
How Your Grip and Setup Can Get You Shut at the Top of the Backswing: https://ignitiongolf.com/grip-setup-shut-top-backswing/
I would be doing those drills above nightly in the backyard. Possible even watching yourself in a mirror to make sure you are staying behind it longer. Give it a try.