Yes, you only have one swing. Most woods would have the toe up due to their length. Your job it to make sure it is not too high up. Easier to do a tall setup with Drive.
Paul
I’m a little confused.An iron is designed so when laying flat on the ground the toe is a little higher than the heel right?So your talking about having the sole flat or square to the ground right?Your not talking about actually raising the toe by manipulating it right?the point of this is to have the proper address position with the club soled properly on the ground(I Hope)Right?
Soles are usually curved. Even though it is curved you can still have it even with the ground. Think of the grooves. If the grooves were parallel to the ground that would be like the club is soled flat. So with clubhead droop you would hit toe first regardless if it was curved or not. If you were toe up the grooves would be angled with the toe higher than the heel. As you hit the ball they would come through parallel to the ground.
I want you to set up and look down at your club. If you do not see the toe higher you lower your hands with our body tilt. If the toe is up too high you raise your chest up higher.
I believe he means we should raise the toe up just very slightly off from the ground and not just laying flat on the ground, since the club actually bows when you hit.
When I do the full swing I can feel the tightness develop and it’s much easier to start with the lower body.
However, when I do a pitch shot I don’t feel the same browned up tightness and it’s harder to always start with the lower body first.
I will start with the top body and hit fat many times, any ideas on how to always start with the lower body first when doing pitch shots
Your legs power your body. In a pitch shot you are not driving your legs hard so you need something else to turn your body. You do this with your hips. You set the backswing hinge to the desired length. Then your turn your hips to hit the shot. So you HINGE then TURN. Have you not watched the pitching tips?
Paul,I Heard this instruction before ,but never implémented it ,because I never have problems with THE Irons ,THE divot has THE same depth from Heel to toe .
THE only Time I lift THE toe up is IN chip shots ,hitting with THE toe slightly deadens THE hit .
IN any case ,i’ll try your instruction NeXT Time I play ,and see how I fare .
I suppose this instruction is not applicable to THE Woods or hybrids .
Greetings Coach I hope maybe you or David can advise me/ I have trouble keeping my head down through impact/I know it sounds simple “just keep your head down” but i have trouble and it results in /as you know/ horrible shots/I now look over the top of the ball at the grass/I can see the ball but concentrate ;more on the grass/ so im just asking /Thanks
First, understand why would you top it? You are doing 1 or 2 things or both things combined.
1. You are swinging too hard. The harder you hit, the more you will look to see what you hit. Not sure why you would be trying to hit too hard after all the tips I have done explaining powerless arms and not trying to hit anything.
2. Buckling arms. If you start with your arms at their maximum length and you hit it with them buckled they would be shorter than the ones you started with. If you arms are shorter when you hit the ball the club will come off the ground. Why would you arms buckle? Hitting too hard. They are in a contracted position. If your arms contract the muscles must be activated.
3. Looking and buckling.
If you are topping YOU are hitting. This is fact.
Immediately stop trying to hit anything. If you are not trying to hit anything you will not look to see what you hit. If you are not trying to hit anything the weight of your clubs would stretch your arms out thus not contracting them.
So immediately do this drill and do not stop until you are good at it:
Search the far right side of the red navigation bar. Enter the term chicken wing and 8 cure chicken wing tips will come up. You should be also working on this. If your arms are buckling through impact immediately start working on stretching them out FULLY immediately after you hit the ball with your lead arm dead straight as you hit the ball. Then your arc will not be narrowing.
How do you do the taller setup, while also not forcing the toe down? It seems as though that when you stand taller, that it has the result of pointing the toe down, which is the opposite of what we want.
Just follow the steps and watch yourself in a mirror. Line up the middle of the shoulder, tip of your knee and laces. Then lookup and look back down. You will have to stick your rear end out and flex your knees to get it. You can see that I am doing it. If I can do it, you can do it. I never have a problem getting people doing the set up. If you are a taller person you may want to have your clubs fitted if they aren’t already.
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18 Responses to “Cause and Effect – Toe Up Toe Down”
September 16, 2014
ERICTRUBACSLikewise for woods, too?
September 17, 2014
Paul WilsonEric,
Yes, you only have one swing. Most woods would have the toe up due to their length. Your job it to make sure it is not too high up. Easier to do a tall setup with Drive.
September 16, 2014
TIMADAMSPaul
I’m a little confused.An iron is designed so when laying flat on the ground the toe is a little higher than the heel right?So your talking about having the sole flat or square to the ground right?Your not talking about actually raising the toe by manipulating it right?the point of this is to have the proper address position with the club soled properly on the ground(I Hope)Right?
September 17, 2014
Paul WilsonTim,
Soles are usually curved. Even though it is curved you can still have it even with the ground. Think of the grooves. If the grooves were parallel to the ground that would be like the club is soled flat. So with clubhead droop you would hit toe first regardless if it was curved or not. If you were toe up the grooves would be angled with the toe higher than the heel. As you hit the ball they would come through parallel to the ground.
I want you to set up and look down at your club. If you do not see the toe higher you lower your hands with our body tilt. If the toe is up too high you raise your chest up higher.
September 17, 2014
ChrisI believe he means we should raise the toe up just very slightly off from the ground and not just laying flat on the ground, since the club actually bows when you hit.
September 17, 2014
Paul WilsonChris,
Yes, if the grooves are parallel to the ground and the bows they will not be parallel to the ground when you hit the ball.
September 17, 2014
tedvernonSo how far in front of the ball should your hands be?
September 17, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,When you play THE short irons ,do you HINGE THE wrists earlier IN THE backswing ?
September 17, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
For pitching yes. I need you to set the hinge right away. If you don’t you will not have any power to hit the shot. HINGE / TURN
How to Pitch: https://ignitiongolf.com/pitch-ball/
September 17, 2014
Paul WilsonTed,
Your hand should be even with the ball not ahead of the ball.
Watch:
Hand Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/hand-position-at-address/
September 17, 2014
BruceJespersenWhen I do the full swing I can feel the tightness develop and it’s much easier to start with the lower body.
However, when I do a pitch shot I don’t feel the same browned up tightness and it’s harder to always start with the lower body first.
I will start with the top body and hit fat many times, any ideas on how to always start with the lower body first when doing pitch shots
September 17, 2014
Paul WilsonBruce,
Your legs power your body. In a pitch shot you are not driving your legs hard so you need something else to turn your body. You do this with your hips. You set the backswing hinge to the desired length. Then your turn your hips to hit the shot. So you HINGE then TURN. Have you not watched the pitching tips?
How to Pitch: https://ignitiongolf.com/pitch-ball/
You can find any and all tips through the red navigation bar at the top of any page. Just hover over it and all the topics will show up.
September 17, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul,I Heard this instruction before ,but never implémented it ,because I never have problems with THE Irons ,THE divot has THE same depth from Heel to toe .
THE only Time I lift THE toe up is IN chip shots ,hitting with THE toe slightly deadens THE hit .
IN any case ,i’ll try your instruction NeXT Time I play ,and see how I fare .
I suppose this instruction is not applicable to THE Woods or hybrids .
September 17, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
If you divot is the same depth then you probably don’t have to wok on it.
Woods are longer. The toe is typically higher than the heel. You just have to make sure it is not too high.
September 17, 2014
johnhoyleGreetings Coach I hope maybe you or David can advise me/ I have trouble keeping my head down through impact/I know it sounds simple “just keep your head down” but i have trouble and it results in /as you know/ horrible shots/I now look over the top of the ball at the grass/I can see the ball but concentrate ;more on the grass/ so im just asking /Thanks
September 17, 2014
Paul WilsonJohn,
First, understand why would you top it? You are doing 1 or 2 things or both things combined.
1. You are swinging too hard. The harder you hit, the more you will look to see what you hit. Not sure why you would be trying to hit too hard after all the tips I have done explaining powerless arms and not trying to hit anything.
2. Buckling arms. If you start with your arms at their maximum length and you hit it with them buckled they would be shorter than the ones you started with. If you arms are shorter when you hit the ball the club will come off the ground. Why would you arms buckle? Hitting too hard. They are in a contracted position. If your arms contract the muscles must be activated.
3. Looking and buckling.
If you are topping YOU are hitting. This is fact.
Immediately stop trying to hit anything. If you are not trying to hit anything you will not look to see what you hit. If you are not trying to hit anything the weight of your clubs would stretch your arms out thus not contracting them.
So immediately do this drill and do not stop until you are good at it:
DRILL: This Is The Best Drill You Should Be Doing Right Now: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-three-quarter-distance/
Next:
Topping: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-topping-golf-ball
Stop Topping Your Fairway Woods: https://ignitiongolf.com/stop-topping-fairway-woods/
Also:
Search the far right side of the red navigation bar. Enter the term chicken wing and 8 cure chicken wing tips will come up. You should be also working on this. If your arms are buckling through impact immediately start working on stretching them out FULLY immediately after you hit the ball with your lead arm dead straight as you hit the ball. Then your arc will not be narrowing.
Also, work on this position:
Spine Angle Follow Through: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-eyes-tilted
And:
Pro Versus Am – Swivel Your Head: https://ignitiongolf.com/pro-versus-am-swivel-your-head/
March 1, 2016
Michael SaucermanHow do you do the taller setup, while also not forcing the toe down? It seems as though that when you stand taller, that it has the result of pointing the toe down, which is the opposite of what we want.
March 1, 2016
Paul WilsonMike,
Just follow the steps and watch yourself in a mirror. Line up the middle of the shoulder, tip of your knee and laces. Then lookup and look back down. You will have to stick your rear end out and flex your knees to get it. You can see that I am doing it. If I can do it, you can do it. I never have a problem getting people doing the set up. If you are a taller person you may want to have your clubs fitted if they aren’t already.