Cause and Effect – Steep Shoulders Back and Through

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Paul Wilson

Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine. YouTube Channels: Paul Wilson Golf and Ignition Golf Tips. Please Join me on Google+

17 Responses to “Cause and Effect – Steep Shoulders Back and Through”

  1. October 15, 2014

    RonCalabrese

    Hi Paul. I had a mini break through today that may be helpful to others having difficulty with the downswing. Starting down without moving the arms first has been a difficult habit to break. Today I practiced holding the club parallel to the ground and initiating the short downswing by rotating the hips- right knee first. Using the driver, I was able to reach 83 mph with this half swing hips first method. Since the swing was so short, it was easier to eliminate tension and power in the arms. Another thing that seems to help the full swing is almost stopping at the top and giving the brain time to initiate the downswing properly. Once the proper movement becomes a habit, I presume stopping at the top won’t be necessary, although it worked for Murphy and Nancy Lopez. Do you think this half swing exercise is a good one for people having a difficult time with the full downswing sequence?

    Thanks, Ron

    • October 15, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Ron,

      I like break throughs.

      Pausing or hesitating at the top is great. You are right. This gives the person more time to make the right decision on what is going to start down. They also should be telling themselves not to hit anything. Unfortunately people like the feeling of power. So feeling no power goes against human nature so they don’t like it until they see this powerless feeling produces shots just as far if not farther than hitting hard with the arms.

      A half swing is god because the arms aren’t going all the way up. The higher the arms go up the more opportunity you have to pull them down and the more powerful it feels in your arms. As I teach people an get them to shorten though the start driving the legs and hitting hard with the arms. They can’t seem to separate the two. I prefer the normal backswing length with a pause. Seems to work better for most. If you are feeling it this way they keep doing it. Get used to it. Then lengthen it. Also, do the practice swings every night while swinging off the ground.

      Playing Catch Up: http://ignitiongolf.com/playing-catch-up/

      Pause At Top: http://ignitiongolf.com/pause-top-backswing

  2. October 15, 2014

    johnhoyle

    Greetings coach I have been trying different down swing triggers / coil and touch / touch / and turn / i think that turn may be the best / this is how i am using it / 2 out of ten grip / stand tall / shoulder turn to start the back swing / just as i feel that the back swing is about to finish i whisper turn /i want the turn to start a fraction before the back wing is complete / i hope you can see what i am trying to say / i know its a small point but i feel that im getting to the point where i need to know small points / yes or no about this move / thanks Coach

    • October 15, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      John,

      This is exactly what I want you to do. If you pull it you are using arms. If you pull slice you are starting arms and the wrist are too tight. If you are pushing you are either sliding or driving the legs too hard. Push fade same thing but the wrists are too tight.

      Sounds like you are on track.

  3. October 15, 2014

    GeraldJoyce

    Hey Paul,

    Guilty this fault has crept in and maybe this is why I have trouble touching my knees with the longer clubs?

    Great tip!

    JayJay

  4. October 15, 2014

    BruceJespersen

    I understand the uncoiling starts with the lower body from the top of the backswing but are you able to speed up the uncoiling from the hip Up to the finish by using the core muscles to speed up the swing?

    • October 15, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Bruce,

      I am never thinking core muscles. I am thinking legs and hips. In a spring the core muscles would be the center of the spring which would naturally uncoil if you uncoiled the bottom of the spring.

      Uncoil 1: http://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil

      Uncoil 2: http://ignitiongolf.com/uncoil-follow-up

      Shoulders in downswing: http://ignitiongolf.com/shoulders-downswing/

      Don’t see your body as your body. See it as a spring. If you coiled it from the top it would get tight. If you uncoiled the bottom the top would snap the other way. This would happen every time 100% of the time. If you see results doing this then doing it until you are good at it but then feel the legs and hips. This way you will be able to do it faster in the future.

  5. February 25, 2015

    KevinDynes

    Hi Paul, I have been practicing my swing for some months now. Concentrating on touching the legs together which is now very successful. My problem seems to be leaving my right shoulder behind at impact resulting in poor arm extension in the follow through resulting in pulls to the left. Which appears to be from turning over my wrists. Many thanks Coach for all the daily golf tips they have been most helpful.

  6. September 30, 2016

    IanHenry

    Hi Paul, I am starting to get the powerless arms bit and getting the legs and hips to start the swing, but whatever I do I can’t seem to keep my eye on the ball and then keep it there (where the ball was) until my right arm moves my chin to see where the ball has gone. How do I stop this human nature of looking up too early, I have been trying for over a year now and need something drastic to help please, many thanks from Ian Henry

  7. Thank you ,Paul ,for “unmystifying “the shoulder tilt .The spring coil/uncoil effect is the best image possible.
    The major problem I have in my swing is “impatience at the top ” ;I’m not yet there that I want to come down .I have more or less cured this defect by using the “SWINGCLICK”trainng aid :I force myself to listen to the “click ‘at the top ,before engaging the reverse downswing .My shot are much more powerful when I do this .
    Maybe you have another method to acheive that?
    If so please show us !

    • Paul Wilson

      October 2, 2016

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      Well, it is about having the right thoughts. You need to be thinking of it before you do it. You need to go slow. This gives you more time. Switch your thoughts to the shoulders not the arms meaning you sense you shoulders coming around. Once coiled, you uncoil the lower. The body moves less and slower than the arms so focusing on what it is doing instead of the arms is a way to do it.

      I find it tough too especially if I am not playing a lot.

  8. Paul ,I read your recommendations just before going out on the course playing this morning .
    You’re right :think about the shoulders ,not the arms ,coil fully ,move slower in the backswing . My long game was much better
    I looked attentively to The RYDER CUP events :sure, these guys hit it 305 yards (PATRICK REED ) ,320/330 yards (RORY Mc ILROY ) but their short game is not better than mine ,with the sole exception of PHIL MICKELSON .Rory McILROY was dismal in his putting ,he should have won by 5 holes at least if he had putted better .

  9. Paul ,I’m a very good putter (Much better than poor RORY Mc ILROY ,by the way ,who’s dismal putting killed him at the last 2016 RYDER cup against an inferior Golf Player-PATRICK REED – ,but a much better putter than he is )
    I’m also (Alas for my purse !)a putter “maniac .
    I just bought the last EVNROLL putter ER 2 who’s face has grooves supposed to straigthen out puts not hit from the middle of the clubface .(There’s an explanation for that ,false or true ,who knows !)
    It seems to work ,from my initial testing .
    You should give this putter a try
    As for RORY ,he should work as hard as I do to be a consistent ,accurate putter .He should go and see a “putting guru “,DAVE STOCKTON ,or GEOFF MANGUM ,or others (You ,by the way !)for example ;
    I roll hundreds of puts at home every day in my basement ,from 4 to 24 feet ,eyes open ,eyes closed ,working on the tempo with a metronome (I do it also for the chipping )
    You score at golf with your short game :the long game makes you come close to the hole ,but then you must get in .PAUL RUNYAN said that a long time ago !

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