Cause and Effect – Setting Up Too Low

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Paul Wilson

Paul Wilson is the creator of Swing Machine Golf and founder of Ignition Golf. Paul's golf swing technique is based on the Iron Byron swing machine. YouTube Channels: Paul Wilson Golf and Ignition Golf Tips. Please Join me on Google+

22 Responses to “Cause and Effect – Setting Up Too Low”

  1. September 7, 2014

    LouisBond

    Paul when I set up taller I hit alot of thin or topped shots. What am I doing wrong?

    Louis

    • September 8, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Louis,

      You are not used to standing taller plus you are still chicken winging it through impact. You need to let your arms extend more through and past impact. If you do you will hit it solid from the new setup. I go through this all the time. Think about it. If you are dent over more and you buckle your arms to hit the ball what is going to happen if you stand taller. You will top it or hit it thin because the arms and club are too short for the taller setup. Let them stretch out and keep doing it. Within about 20 balls you should get it.

  2. September 7, 2014

    ERICTRUBACS

    Great, Great tip!! I have never heard the setup posture explained in this manner.
    Thanks!
    Eric

    • September 8, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Eric,

      This is vital. You watch this young guys nowadays they have poor distance control. That is because they are de-lofting the club too much and too inconsistently with this over tilted setup. Plus, they are starting to have all sorts of back issues. Tiger is not the only one. Why didn’t the best players of all time bend over this much if it was a better way to swing. They were all taller even Hogan although is arms were flat.

      Look at the current top 10 and see what swing they are using:

      Rory McIlroy
      Adam Scott
      Sergio Garcia
      Henrik Stenson
      Justin Rose
      Bubba Watson
      Jim Furyk
      Jason Day
      Matt Kuchar
      Phil Mickelson

      Kuchar is the lowest out of the bunch but even his hands are under his nose at setup with the driver.

      Stay tall. Coil and uncoil.

  3. September 8, 2014

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Excellent reminder ,Paul ,for THE proper attitude at THE set up .
    It’s true you see some Golf Pro’s with.an incorrect attitude ,in this crouched position ,and they Still pull off successfully their shot .
    M’y first Golf Teacher told me ” Be proud in front of THE ball”

    • September 8, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      Pros can hit any shot because they have hit tons of balls and they can play. How good are they overall.

      Here are the current top 10 tour players.

      Rory McIlroy
      Adam Scott
      Sergio Garcia
      Henrik Stenson
      Justin Rose
      Bubba Watson
      Jim Furyk
      Jason Day
      Matt Kuchar
      Phil Mickelson

      The lowest one is Kuchar and even he has his hands under his nose at setup. He is more Hoganesque. Hogan set up tall even with a flat swing.

      • September 9, 2014

        BryanRhoades

        Gosh…if only Tiger would let you teach him…lol. May save his back too. He used to look like these guys. Garcia has a very tall setup.

        • September 9, 2014

          Paul Wilson

          Bryan,

          I gave him a lesson when he was 17 at Windermere Country Club in Orlando. 3 months later he won his first US Amateur. This is when he first started with Butch. I worked with him for about 2 hours. I could fix him no problem. Now it is just getting a hold of him again. Can’t figure out how to do that.

  4. September 8, 2014

    mikemooney

    Paul,

    For the taller player, more bend at the knees, or wider stance, or do I pull the grip of the club up higher, this will pull the head of the club in closer to me.

    • September 9, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Mike,

      Feel like you are sitting down if you are taller. I have taught many tall players without an issue.

      Taller players need longer clubs and the lie angle bumped up to make this happen.

      You do not need a wider stance.

      You can see Mike Dobbyn setting up taller when I was teaching him. He was 6’8″ 280lbs at the time:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBX_U2–sY

  5. September 8, 2014

    BryanRhoades

    Paul…great tip. I’d love you to do a comprehensive “feeling” tip/tips sometime that discusses your powerless arm approach as it pertains to getting your arms in the proper position from address to top of backswing. I think this is where many people have a disconnect or get confused with powerless arms.

    With a tall set-up, and rather flat should turn as a result, it’s essentially to get the arms from their hanging position at address up to the appropriate vertical point in the backswing. With a tall setup and flatter shoulder rotation, there’s still a certain feeling (to me) of lifting the arms during the coil to get them “up” to the proper position where they can drop “powerlessly” during the uncoil. I think this is where alot of people trip up b/c they activate them to get them to the top and they keep them active on the way down too. Hope that makes sense, but I would love to hear your take.

    Thanks!!!

    Bryan

    • September 9, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Bryan,

      I am doing a whole “feel” series of every part of the golf swing. I am 2 tips in. More to come.

      You do need to lift the arms up to get the club in position if you have not done this before. If you don’t they will be too flat if you rotate. Once you work on it, they should be going up there on their own. This would be due to the right armpit coming untucked instead of being jammed against your side at the top. My arms just go pt there because I have done it for song long. I can’t believe you’re still feeling them lift up as long as you have done my technique.

  6. September 9, 2014

    BryanRhoades

    Thanks Paul….I agree…I don’t feel the lift now though I had to be aware of that initially.. This was more a question for those just learning your method as I’ve had several friends ask for clarification when they ask about my swing and I wasn’t quite sure how to explain it. Take care!!

    • September 9, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Bryan,

      Gotcha. I would have thought people would see me swing and realize the arms have to go up and they would try to copy what I am doing but I have learned over the years to never assume anything. I have truly seen it all.

  7. September 9, 2014

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Paul ,
    I still have difficulties to move my arms high enough in the backswing ,though I try hard to get there .
    When I train at home in front of a mirror ,I lift high enough all right .
    Then when I’m in front of he ball ,I tend to shorten the swing up and stay at shoulder height and even lower
    Any tip to overcome my “mental “blocking ?
    Some teachers say that a more vertical backswing is better because of the gravity effect going down .
    JIM FURYK with his “inverted loop “is a perfect example of this .
    What’s your own opinion on the subject ?

    • September 9, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      Yes, go way slower so you can feel it. Once you can say to yourself you feel it then hit it. DO NOT start down unless you can relay this information to yourself. If you keep doing your normal swing you will keep doing this swing. You need to do something different. So go slow and do it. Forget the ball and make the change. You would not be changing because you care about the shot.

      I want the club going up. You will not see one long driver with a flat golf swing. I know you are not going to be a long driver but if a flat golf swing hit it further they would all be doing it and I have yet to see one long driver doing this swing.

  8. September 10, 2014

    PierreBourgeois

    Paul,

    this “feeling” series are really valuable and since I regularly follow your daily tips, I am amazed by your ability to give different perspectives on your core principles. As far as posture is concerned, like many high handicappers, I never really found myself very confortable with any position, so I probably unconsciously tried too many of them, hoping that one would magically fit… Now, I have a better understanding of why my current posture promotes flaws (the worst being shanking from time to time). As you said in one of your tips “never think you get it”, so I will focus on this one as hard as I can.

    • September 10, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Pierre,

      Glad you like the tips. Thanks for the feedback.

      When I first stated this I thought I would be done after about 30 tips. Here I am at 700 and still have a list of hundreds more.

      Setting up too low can definitely cause shanks. Stay tall and rotate. This way you will not get too much of your body mass ahead of your toe line.

  9. September 10, 2014

    RaymondCHASTEL

    Paul ,Top of THE backswing :are THE very upright left arm positions of JACK NICKLAUS and JIM FURYK good examples to émulate or not ?
    I tended untill now to copy THE BEN HOGAN backswing ,which is flat ,but what has happened ,as I described to you ,was a too low position of THE Arms at the ” Top ” of my backswing !
    I will follow your advice given above ,but if I slow THE backswing ,THE downswing Will slow down also ,due to THE 3/1 ratio ,therefore loss of speed !!!

    • September 10, 2014

      Paul Wilson

      Raymond,

      How can you argue with the best golfer of all time and the most consistent golfer of all time. I prefer it to be a little lower but to me up is good.

      If you copy a Hogan back swing you will hit it nowhere. I tried this and I hit it nowhere. Once you get this you will see your distance dramatically increase. Forget ratios and all the timing stuff right now. Just make the change.

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