Paul, I have to compliment you on this great video. I caught myself in my practice swing in the house a couple of weeks ago and sure enough, it was a chicken wing. Last year, most of my drives were high and not too far. You did tell me that I had a chicken wing. With this video, I might fix it.
Good stuff. I can’t believe there are so many people out there with a chicken wing that never work on fixing it. If I saw myself doing this I would be sick and would immediately keep working on it until it was fixed. This is a huge fundamental of the golf swing but it takes time and effort to fix it. Glad you are going to work on it.
Paul, If you can get him out of hid CW then you can fix anyone. I now know why you put so much on the finish.
I still have a small CW when I use my irons but have gotten away form it with my driver & the results show it. Straight with a good ball flight.
This video did give me a laugh & hope the guy doesn’t mind your showing it.
Paul, thanks, yet another great video fix. The chicken wing is a big problem for those of us who top the ball. We have to work on extension, loose wrists and the dreaded chicken wing movement. I like the concept of the club shaft being behind the head vs the grip, that is something we all can check each time we practice. Thanks for making this training clear and giving the golfer some intermediate checkpoints. It really helps me.
Cheers!
Yes, you can certainly top it if you do a chicken wing. Just keep doing this and the other drills and you will get rid of it forever. Once you do, you will gain way more power and consistency.
Paul,There are a number of ” band aids ” to teach you to keep the left arm extended during the through swing ,from the simple band strapped around the elbow ,inside or outside ,to more sophisticated devices which enable you to ” feel ” if the left arm is really extended .Most of all ,it’s a state of mind to keep loose and relaxed when you swing .
Of course YOUR méthod is simpler and more ” NATURAL “,but maybe it takes longer to have it work!
I think you mean right arm extended into the through swing. Left arm will be folding around the 3/4 through point while the right arm is extended.
I just used to hit tons of balls pointing the club at he target. It is an uncontrollable feeling. That is why people don’t do it as well as hitting to hard contracting their arms muscles.
Am trying to adhere religiously to your instruction. I find your chicken wing remedies are excellent. I am prone to a “chicken wing” look in the collapsing of the left arm, at the top of the back swing. This trait is similar to a certain former tour pro who was also a golf commentator. I have incorporated your “chicken wing” follow through remedy (shaft extension position relating to back of head and ears) to my back swing. The feeling is that at the top of the backswing the back of the head and ears are next to the shaft of the club(extended) and are as close to the club head as reasonably possible. The club head appears to be parallel to the ground, parallel to the target line and the left arm straighter, relaxed, with a wider back swing arc and if necessary an easy check point at the top of the backswing.
My question is whether this is a relevant swing aid or should I forget about it and concentrate exclusively on “legs touching” and “follow-through” position as you suggest. Your thoughts please.
Also, when addressing and setting up to the ball in general, is there any point on the golf ball where you line up the bottom edge (sole) of the club? If you are encouraging a “relaxed” swing to maximize the swing arc, could the sole be aligned possibly at the point between the bottom of the ball and its mid-point or equator which seems to promote the relaxed and powerless extension of the arms from the centrifugal force? Please advise me if there is any rule of thumb in this regard. I personally find that if I sole the club at address I have been prone to restrict my downward extension and either “chicken wing” it or if I “relax and extend” hit the ball occasionally on the fat side.
Please let me know if this is a valid concern or a dangerous crutch to your teachings.
Glad you are working on it. It will off in the future.
The chicken wing is a huge problem for most people. It I say myself doing this I would be working on curing it every day. If I were you I would fix the chicken wing with the drill first then go back to touch the legs etc. otherwise you will never fix it. I have tons of people who can touch the legs but still chicken wing it.
No real one way to set the club the ball. You can hover it if you want or not. I sit it behind the ball an inch or two. I like it on the ground. I did try hovering it many years ago but got away from it. Just do what works best for you. If you find one way is reducing the chicken wing then keep doing it.
I bought your full swing and short game videos about a month ago and have been working on my swing since then. Although I have seen some improvement in my shots, I have continued to see three major issues: skying my driver, hitting fat irons and pulling many shots. I have used my GoPro video camera to view my practice swings at home and my swing never looked too bad. My left arm was straight at impact and both arms straight at the release point, easy to see in freeze frame mode.
So this week I took the GoPro to the practice range, and found out that I actually have two different swings! Once the ball gets in the way of my swing I can see a chicken wing in both arms at impact and at the release point. It is very different than this guys though, my elbows are pulled back against my sides. Then I realized when looking at the videos from down the line (behind me on the range), that I am standing way too close to the ball. This must be the root cause of my chicken wing, if I used the same practice swing with the ball too close I would most likely be whiffing it. Do you agree with my assessment? My hands are probably 3 inches or less from my thighs when addressing the ball, but I do not appear to be bent over too much.
When you are doing the practice swings at home I need you to hit the positions precisely and look for the feedback in each position so you know for a fact you are doing it exactly right.
After a while, if you keep doing this at home, you will not know any other way to swing. Now as you put a ball in front of his move you still go to the positions. So you have not been doing this long enough to master the positions. You put a ball in front of it and you trying to hit it instead of just doing the positions and not caring about the ball. It is all about the movement NOT the ball.
Being too close the ball is a real problem. Follow the setup steps and make it perfect.
The root cause of you chicken wing is you trying to hit the ball. If your arms were powerless the weight of the club would fully extend your arms pas the ball 10% of the time. A chicken wing is a contracted position not an extended position. If you started with them extended and they contract you must have contracted them. Again, you are still trying to hit the ball with your arms. Slow down, loosen up and allow them to stretch out fully into the through swing then perfectly split the ears with your club. You cannot do this position if you chicken wing it. This is the whole point of working backwards on your follow through first. Get than then the chicken wind will disappear.
Fix the setup. Keep doing the grip, setup and follow through positions perfectly at home. Swing through HOLD IT and CHECK IT every swing. These positions have to be more important then hitting the ball. Then you move on to coiling and hinging.
The skyed shot is you moving head ahead of the ball in the downswing. This is hitting with your arms. In doing so you are leaning forward in the downswing. If you kept your arms turned off and fired your lower body first you would stay behind it. From there it is impossible to sky it. BTW – this cure is in my book and tips. Go to DASHBOARD > CURES
So stay focused on the changes. Look for the feedback and you will get it.
You are a month in to learning my swing. This means you shouldn’t even be on the backswing yet. You should be mastering the grip, setup and follow through only.
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12 Responses to “World’s Biggest Chicken Wing”
February 27, 2015
KennthBovaPaul, I have to compliment you on this great video. I caught myself in my practice swing in the house a couple of weeks ago and sure enough, it was a chicken wing. Last year, most of my drives were high and not too far. You did tell me that I had a chicken wing. With this video, I might fix it.
February 28, 2015
Paul WilsonKenneth,
Good stuff. I can’t believe there are so many people out there with a chicken wing that never work on fixing it. If I saw myself doing this I would be sick and would immediately keep working on it until it was fixed. This is a huge fundamental of the golf swing but it takes time and effort to fix it. Glad you are going to work on it.
February 27, 2015
LouisBondPaul, If you can get him out of hid CW then you can fix anyone. I now know why you put so much on the finish.
I still have a small CW when I use my irons but have gotten away form it with my driver & the results show it. Straight with a good ball flight.
This video did give me a laugh & hope the guy doesn’t mind your showing it.
louis
February 28, 2015
Paul WilsonLouis,
Good stuff. Glad you have been working on it.
Yes, we had a good laugh about it and he let me post it.
February 27, 2015
BradleyPaul, thanks, yet another great video fix. The chicken wing is a big problem for those of us who top the ball. We have to work on extension, loose wrists and the dreaded chicken wing movement. I like the concept of the club shaft being behind the head vs the grip, that is something we all can check each time we practice. Thanks for making this training clear and giving the golfer some intermediate checkpoints. It really helps me.
Cheers!
February 28, 2015
Paul WilsonBradley,
Yes, you can certainly top it if you do a chicken wing. Just keep doing this and the other drills and you will get rid of it forever. Once you do, you will gain way more power and consistency.
March 1, 2015
RaymondCHASTELPaul,There are a number of ” band aids ” to teach you to keep the left arm extended during the through swing ,from the simple band strapped around the elbow ,inside or outside ,to more sophisticated devices which enable you to ” feel ” if the left arm is really extended .Most of all ,it’s a state of mind to keep loose and relaxed when you swing .
Of course YOUR méthod is simpler and more ” NATURAL “,but maybe it takes longer to have it work!
March 1, 2015
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I think you mean right arm extended into the through swing. Left arm will be folding around the 3/4 through point while the right arm is extended.
I just used to hit tons of balls pointing the club at he target. It is an uncontrollable feeling. That is why people don’t do it as well as hitting to hard contracting their arms muscles.
Watch:
It is a Letting Go Experience: https://ignitiongolf.com/letting-go-experience/
Also:
Wide Arc: https://ignitiongolf.com/wide-arc/
Gap In Elbows: https://ignitiongolf.com/maintain-gap-elbows-wider-arc
Power: How a Wider Swing Arc Affects Power: https://ignitiongolf.com/wider-arc-power/
Power: How a Wider Swing Arc Affects Power: https://ignitiongolf.com/wider-arc-power/
DRILL: Another Way To Widen The Arc: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-widen-arc/
DRILL: Try To Hit Chair: https://ignitiongolf.com/try-to-hit-chair/
DRILL: Another Way To Widen The Arc – 3/4 Stretch Arms: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-widen-arc/
March 3, 2015
TomWhitePaul and Staff:
Am trying to adhere religiously to your instruction. I find your chicken wing remedies are excellent. I am prone to a “chicken wing” look in the collapsing of the left arm, at the top of the back swing. This trait is similar to a certain former tour pro who was also a golf commentator. I have incorporated your “chicken wing” follow through remedy (shaft extension position relating to back of head and ears) to my back swing. The feeling is that at the top of the backswing the back of the head and ears are next to the shaft of the club(extended) and are as close to the club head as reasonably possible. The club head appears to be parallel to the ground, parallel to the target line and the left arm straighter, relaxed, with a wider back swing arc and if necessary an easy check point at the top of the backswing.
My question is whether this is a relevant swing aid or should I forget about it and concentrate exclusively on “legs touching” and “follow-through” position as you suggest. Your thoughts please.
Also, when addressing and setting up to the ball in general, is there any point on the golf ball where you line up the bottom edge (sole) of the club? If you are encouraging a “relaxed” swing to maximize the swing arc, could the sole be aligned possibly at the point between the bottom of the ball and its mid-point or equator which seems to promote the relaxed and powerless extension of the arms from the centrifugal force? Please advise me if there is any rule of thumb in this regard. I personally find that if I sole the club at address I have been prone to restrict my downward extension and either “chicken wing” it or if I “relax and extend” hit the ball occasionally on the fat side.
Please let me know if this is a valid concern or a dangerous crutch to your teachings.
Thank you for your time, Tom White
March 3, 2015
Paul WilsonTom,
Glad you are working on it. It will off in the future.
The chicken wing is a huge problem for most people. It I say myself doing this I would be working on curing it every day. If I were you I would fix the chicken wing with the drill first then go back to touch the legs etc. otherwise you will never fix it. I have tons of people who can touch the legs but still chicken wing it.
No real one way to set the club the ball. You can hover it if you want or not. I sit it behind the ball an inch or two. I like it on the ground. I did try hovering it many years ago but got away from it. Just do what works best for you. If you find one way is reducing the chicken wing then keep doing it.
April 10, 2015
WilliamPotterPaul,
I bought your full swing and short game videos about a month ago and have been working on my swing since then. Although I have seen some improvement in my shots, I have continued to see three major issues: skying my driver, hitting fat irons and pulling many shots. I have used my GoPro video camera to view my practice swings at home and my swing never looked too bad. My left arm was straight at impact and both arms straight at the release point, easy to see in freeze frame mode.
So this week I took the GoPro to the practice range, and found out that I actually have two different swings! Once the ball gets in the way of my swing I can see a chicken wing in both arms at impact and at the release point. It is very different than this guys though, my elbows are pulled back against my sides. Then I realized when looking at the videos from down the line (behind me on the range), that I am standing way too close to the ball. This must be the root cause of my chicken wing, if I used the same practice swing with the ball too close I would most likely be whiffing it. Do you agree with my assessment? My hands are probably 3 inches or less from my thighs when addressing the ball, but I do not appear to be bent over too much.
April 10, 2015
Paul WilsonWilliam,
When you are doing the practice swings at home I need you to hit the positions precisely and look for the feedback in each position so you know for a fact you are doing it exactly right.
After a while, if you keep doing this at home, you will not know any other way to swing. Now as you put a ball in front of his move you still go to the positions. So you have not been doing this long enough to master the positions. You put a ball in front of it and you trying to hit it instead of just doing the positions and not caring about the ball. It is all about the movement NOT the ball.
Being too close the ball is a real problem. Follow the setup steps and make it perfect.
How To Check Your Distance From The Ball: https://ignitiongolf.com/distance-from-ball/
Set Up Steps: https://ignitiongolf.com/setup-position
Arms Extended: https://ignitiongolf.com/extend-arms-fully
Arms Extended Follow Up/distance from body: https://ignitiongolf.com/arms-extention-follow-up
The root cause of you chicken wing is you trying to hit the ball. If your arms were powerless the weight of the club would fully extend your arms pas the ball 10% of the time. A chicken wing is a contracted position not an extended position. If you started with them extended and they contract you must have contracted them. Again, you are still trying to hit the ball with your arms. Slow down, loosen up and allow them to stretch out fully into the through swing then perfectly split the ears with your club. You cannot do this position if you chicken wing it. This is the whole point of working backwards on your follow through first. Get than then the chicken wind will disappear.
Fix the setup. Keep doing the grip, setup and follow through positions perfectly at home. Swing through HOLD IT and CHECK IT every swing. These positions have to be more important then hitting the ball. Then you move on to coiling and hinging.
The skyed shot is you moving head ahead of the ball in the downswing. This is hitting with your arms. In doing so you are leaning forward in the downswing. If you kept your arms turned off and fired your lower body first you would stay behind it. From there it is impossible to sky it. BTW – this cure is in my book and tips. Go to DASHBOARD > CURES
So stay focused on the changes. Look for the feedback and you will get it.
You are a month in to learning my swing. This means you shouldn’t even be on the backswing yet. You should be mastering the grip, setup and follow through only.