I have 6 foot wood pole I use to stretch with that I also use for rotation exercise. I sit the pole on my shoulders and loop my arms around the pole. I rotate both ways in a upright position. This helps me a lot.
Very ironic and timely that you post this today when RG had a tip advising a feeling of the left shoulder turning “down”. I guess for the players with a more tilted set up that has to be true, but with your more upright setup it would crash the helicopter 😉 Keep it up!!
This is the reason I started my own site. Try telling Ben Hogan to tilt is shoulders down. Do you think he would have been the same player? His shoulders were almost level to the ground.
One problem I seem to have with the free arm swing, is I now have a tendency to shank my irons, particularly mid to short. Not hard to imagine the centrifugal force pulling my hands and club outward.
It was suggested to visualize pulling down on a rope as I trigger my down swing. My concern was if this would negatively impact the loose wrist/arms. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Make sure you check your set up and how close to the ball you are. Stay tall. Also, feel the weight is not rolling onto your toes in the downswing. If you can video your swing or have someone watch your swing you will see your forehead moving forward as you go back or on the way down. This typically occurs from hitting with the arms in the downswing.
If you feel you are turning them off then this may not be the case. So also check to see if you are swinging severely inside out. This may cause it as well. If so, make sure you are turning by doing the touch the knees position into the follow through.
hello, paul. you are usually the guy who is very much in the “whys” of the “hows”. hence my question: what is the consequence of the right and the wrong plane? where does it come into play in the mechanics of the swing.
I look forward to your answer.
The plane of the swing affects the direction of your shots. If you tilt left in the downswing you will hit the ball left. If you tilt too much right you will hit it right.
Tilting left is due to starting the downswing with the arms. If you use the lower body properly to start the downswing the upper body should be hanging back which give you the tilt to the right which creates the path slightly from the inside. If you slide laterally in the downswing you will tilt too much right thus starting the ball too far right.
So turn your arms off. Use the lower body to start the downswing. Watch your ball. It will tell you if you are on plane or not. Don’t forget the wrists affect the spin which is also a very important factor.
Repetition. A good golf swing is one that can be repeated with consistency. Your method of teaching the golf swing is simple. By continuing to go back to the three basics of Iron Byron and remind us in words and videos that this is not rocket science works for me like no other golf instruction. Keep up the good work. I wish the Golf Channel would pick up on you and your teaching method. Maybe it is too simple for them.
You teach 3 different Pitch strokes with variable hip turn speeds, so up to 9 different distances. The 3 Pitch strokes are different by where you grip the club, regular, half, and full choke. Do you maintain the chest pointing out 6 feet past the ball on the half and full choke?
Also, are you ever going to re-do the series on Pitching as described above. Your current library of videos for Pitching is sparse compared to what I have seen in the past and the short game is so important. There are at least a half dozen videos you could do on this subject including how you turn vs full shots, staying tilted through the shot, accelerating the club through the shot, ect..
Great concept. I find myself hitting the ball so well and relaxed on the range at my target. On the course, it just does not happen as often when I play poorly. After a round last night I was re-playing in my mind. I came to a conclusion it was posture on the course compared to range. After seeing this today, it confirmed my thought.
Robert,
You just have to keep doing the positions in practice swings at home and at the range until you do not know any other way to do them. Each position gives you feedback so you can check that you are doing it 100% right. When you go to the course you need to be checking these positions. Once you get to the course you are thinking “ball” not “positions” so you do not do them as well. It is about the swing not the ball. Perfect swing equals perfect shots. I will keep saying it over and over again. So stay focused on the swing and forget the ball. If you do, it will all come together.
Paul ,
I’m a regular spectator of all the Major Golf Events :this week it’s the ” BRITISH OPEN”
I’m always amazed at the So Many différent golf postures I see :some stand Tall ,as you advise ,some are very tilted ( One plane swing ).
The best golf swing I ever saw ,in video only ,is BOBBY JONES ‘s swing : ” sweet and efortless ,very narrow stance ,standing tall to the ball ,as you recommend.
Does this upright posture fit in with your tilted follow through finish ?( clubshaft behind head ,tilted )
Do you teach the “loop ” of the club in your méthod ?( Taking the club staight back or slightly Outwards in the backswing ,,coming back inside from the top in the downswing )
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22 Responses to “Turn Back on the Right Angle”
December 18, 2012
WadeThamesI have 6 foot wood pole I use to stretch with that I also use for rotation exercise. I sit the pole on my shoulders and loop my arms around the pole. I rotate both ways in a upright position. This helps me a lot.
December 19, 2012
ERIABBERATHANK YOU PAUL
December 19, 2012
LawrencePerryA great way to explain the proper way to coil the shoulders. Thanks.
December 19, 2012
Paul WilsonLawrence,
Glad you liked it. Thanks.
December 19, 2012
BryanRhoadesVery ironic and timely that you post this today when RG had a tip advising a feeling of the left shoulder turning “down”. I guess for the players with a more tilted set up that has to be true, but with your more upright setup it would crash the helicopter 😉 Keep it up!!
December 19, 2012
Paul WilsonBryan,
This is the reason I started my own site. Try telling Ben Hogan to tilt is shoulders down. Do you think he would have been the same player? His shoulders were almost level to the ground.
Glad you liked it.
December 19, 2012
TrDOne problem I seem to have with the free arm swing, is I now have a tendency to shank my irons, particularly mid to short. Not hard to imagine the centrifugal force pulling my hands and club outward.
It was suggested to visualize pulling down on a rope as I trigger my down swing. My concern was if this would negatively impact the loose wrist/arms. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
December 19, 2012
Paul WilsonTrD,
Make sure you check your set up and how close to the ball you are. Stay tall. Also, feel the weight is not rolling onto your toes in the downswing. If you can video your swing or have someone watch your swing you will see your forehead moving forward as you go back or on the way down. This typically occurs from hitting with the arms in the downswing.
If you feel you are turning them off then this may not be the case. So also check to see if you are swinging severely inside out. This may cause it as well. If so, make sure you are turning by doing the touch the knees position into the follow through.
Watch:
Legs Touching: https://ignitiongolf.com/touch-knees
December 19, 2012
michelwandelhello, paul. you are usually the guy who is very much in the “whys” of the “hows”. hence my question: what is the consequence of the right and the wrong plane? where does it come into play in the mechanics of the swing.
I look forward to your answer.
December 19, 2012
Paul WilsonMichel,
The plane of the swing affects the direction of your shots. If you tilt left in the downswing you will hit the ball left. If you tilt too much right you will hit it right.
Watch:
Body Tilt – Left Right: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-pulling
Tilting left is due to starting the downswing with the arms. If you use the lower body properly to start the downswing the upper body should be hanging back which give you the tilt to the right which creates the path slightly from the inside. If you slide laterally in the downswing you will tilt too much right thus starting the ball too far right.
So turn your arms off. Use the lower body to start the downswing. Watch your ball. It will tell you if you are on plane or not. Don’t forget the wrists affect the spin which is also a very important factor.
December 19, 2012
PETERMCMULLENRepetition. A good golf swing is one that can be repeated with consistency. Your method of teaching the golf swing is simple. By continuing to go back to the three basics of Iron Byron and remind us in words and videos that this is not rocket science works for me like no other golf instruction. Keep up the good work. I wish the Golf Channel would pick up on you and your teaching method. Maybe it is too simple for them.
December 20, 2012
Paul WilsonPeter,
Thank you for the kind words and support. I appreciate it.
I did try out for the Golf Channel’s instructor search. It was amazing how all 3 qualifiers were from Orlando. Oh well, their loss.
December 19, 2012
MichaelSkeelsPaul
Does this lesson apply to my short irons 8, 9 & PW?
Thanks
December 20, 2012
Paul WilsonMichael,
Yes, this applies to all clubs. You only have one swing. Make sure you set up tall with the shorter clubs.
Watch:
How to Set Up With Different Golf Clubs: https://ignitiongolf.com/setup-different-clubs
December 20, 2012
RandyGormanYou teach 3 different Pitch strokes with variable hip turn speeds, so up to 9 different distances. The 3 Pitch strokes are different by where you grip the club, regular, half, and full choke. Do you maintain the chest pointing out 6 feet past the ball on the half and full choke?
Also, are you ever going to re-do the series on Pitching as described above. Your current library of videos for Pitching is sparse compared to what I have seen in the past and the short game is so important. There are at least a half dozen videos you could do on this subject including how you turn vs full shots, staying tilted through the shot, accelerating the club through the shot, ect..
December 22, 2012
Paul WilsonRandy,
Yes, the chest is always up regardless of the club you are hitting.
I will do more pitching videos at some point in the future. Stay tuned.
July 18, 2014
RobertThurstonPaul,
Great concept. I find myself hitting the ball so well and relaxed on the range at my target. On the course, it just does not happen as often when I play poorly. After a round last night I was re-playing in my mind. I came to a conclusion it was posture on the course compared to range. After seeing this today, it confirmed my thought.
Will work it out tomorrow…
Robert
July 20, 2014
Paul WilsonRobert,
You just have to keep doing the positions in practice swings at home and at the range until you do not know any other way to do them. Each position gives you feedback so you can check that you are doing it 100% right. When you go to the course you need to be checking these positions. Once you get to the course you are thinking “ball” not “positions” so you do not do them as well. It is about the swing not the ball. Perfect swing equals perfect shots. I will keep saying it over and over again. So stay focused on the swing and forget the ball. If you do, it will all come together.
July 19, 2014
TIMADAMSPaul compared to the other days video quality.This one was OUTSTANDING!Crisp.Vibrant and in fullscreen mode exactly the same.WOW
July 20, 2014
Paul WilsonTim,
Yes, that tip is almost half a gig. I just cannot do this for people who live in remote parts of the world. It will never play on their system.
July 19, 2014
RaymondCHASTELPaul ,
I’m a regular spectator of all the Major Golf Events :this week it’s the ” BRITISH OPEN”
I’m always amazed at the So Many différent golf postures I see :some stand Tall ,as you advise ,some are very tilted ( One plane swing ).
The best golf swing I ever saw ,in video only ,is BOBBY JONES ‘s swing : ” sweet and efortless ,very narrow stance ,standing tall to the ball ,as you recommend.
Does this upright posture fit in with your tilted follow through finish ?( clubshaft behind head ,tilted )
Do you teach the “loop ” of the club in your méthod ?( Taking the club staight back or slightly Outwards in the backswing ,,coming back inside from the top in the downswing )
July 20, 2014
Paul WilsonRaymond,
I have said in the past I want and upright posture. This accommodates the coil. Too tilted and you will see-saw the shoulders not coil.
The best players of all time have had tall set ups Hogan Included.
Taller Setup: https://ignitiongolf.com/bartender-setup/
You do not have to loop the club in the back or downswing. The clubshaft flattens due to the axis moving first in the downswing.
Flatten Plane 1: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-flatten-plane
Flatten Plane 2: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-flatten-plane-2
How do you not know these things already.