Hogan I think said he didnt want his left knee to come forward a little and he wanted it to go into the right . When I get to the top of my backswing , yes my left knee is pointing behind the ball but it looks a bit forward compared to my right.
Is this correct
Regards
Paul
From the down the line view it will look like the left knee is forward because your hips have rotated. You cannot have the left knee go behind the ball without it coming out from the down the line view.
Hi Paul:
Just watched your previous tips on one piece takeaway, where you state that the hips don’t turn until after position #1. So I was wondering at what point do the hips begin to rotate,and the left knee begins to go behind the ball. Would it be as you pass position #1 and get into the 20 degree club offset/wrist hinge position. I hope I explained this correctly. I’m just trying to slowly match your positions , and then incorporate them into a continuous backswing. By the way that tip on the 20degree offset really helped straighten out my drives. As well Paul, could you give me a link to your full swing video on the driver that is in Super Slow motion, both in front and down the line. I’ve looked all over your tips and can’t seem to locate it again. Thanks for all the help.
This would be after position 1. The shoulders move the most. If you stabilize the lower body to the point it did not move at all your shoulders would only turn back 45 degrees. To continue the shoulder rotation your hips and knees would half to move. So turning the shoulders upwards of 90 degrees pulls the lower body into perfect position.
Did you read Brandel Chamblee’s article in Feb 2016 Golf magazine in which he promotes lifting the left foot, turning the left knee significantly behind the ball, going past parallel, letting lower body turn well past 45 degrees and dropping/pointing the left shoulder down at takeaway? He basically says the conventional teaching of restricted lower body movement, level shoulder turn, club to parallel, ect.. ruined his swing and career and in his new book says all the greats did so, except for the super athletes (Rory, Jason, Jordan). I have seen other teachers adopting similar thoughts, especially dropping the left shoulder on the takeaway. I suspect you will disagree, but you also have noted the most important part of the swing is the follow through and ending position, so, is there some substance to the different thoughts on the takeaway?
We know more about the golf swing now as opposed to 30-50 years ago. You are coiling to get torque. You are not over coiling or hurting yourself. Once you have torque you will uncoil consistently. You do not and will never hit 300-500 balls per day. How, with no torque and trying to hit the golf ball with your arms are you ever going to repeat your golf swing. When you lift the heel your lower body turns too much. This gives you power in the arms to hit the ball with your arms.
I did this swing when I was a kid. I hit the ball everywhere. I hit 1000 balls per day everyday for over 2 years and never go it.
Steep shoulder turn vs. a more elver turn. Who did a steep shoulder turn back then. Jack … No. Watson … No. Hogan … no. No idea what he is taking about here. The steep shoulder turn came into the swing when people started doing a one plane swing.
I just watch Chamblee’s golf swing. He has not clue what is problem is/was. He changes his grip as soon as he takes the club back. This actives the arms and shuts the face at the top. He then has to slide to square the face which is very inconsistent. He also hangs back way too much on this back foot.
I have always said, never get a lesson from tour pros or rocket scientists. They have no clue.
Why the follow through is the most important position is because if I can get people to only do that they hit the ball better than they ever have in their life. This is tried and tested over 25 years. Not one word about the backswing. How does that happen?
Paul,
That may be the most unusual, but fantastic tip about the backswing I have ever heard! I tried it right after watching your Daily Tip, and I could immediately feel the difference in the feeling of power stored at the top of my backswing, and unleashed as I was coming through! You should consider making that one part of your standard explanation of the “full swing.” I have never heard anyone describe that movement of the forward knee, but for me it brings my understanding of your backswing approach all together. Before hearing that, I had a hard time understanding, or feeling how you could build so much power on the backswing, with so little movement. Now I think I get that…
This is important in allowing you to coil properly. If you don’t coil properly you won’t uncoil. You should have this master in a few practice sessions. This is pretty easy because it is a totally different feeling. Keep at it.
Paul, really glad I found your site! How far should the front knee move in? I’m conflicted as I used to use a lot of front knee forward motion in my back swing which I thought generated power as I pushed off on the downswing.
Anyway I got your videos and signed up on Monday of this week, practiced for 2 nights and then played 18 Wednesday and found my driver getting close to the yardages I had before I got hurt this past year. Thought I was going to have to quit playing a slipped disc in the neck is difficult to come back from but searching for a body swing lead me to your conten and your swing has got me playing again and oh btw I shot 85 and could of easily been 3-4 shots lower ifit weren’t for a few stupid mistakes.
First time in the bunker I overswung a little but the next 2 bunker shots got out easily thanks to you! Sorry for the long ramble, but I have read and watched damn near everything studying the swing over the years and yours has to be the simplest, most effective way to swing that’s also easy on the body. Keep up the good work and thanks again for helping me enjoy the game again!!!
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17 Responses to “How The Get the Forward Knee Behind the Ball”
February 8, 2013
paulelliottPaul,
Hogan I think said he didnt want his left knee to come forward a little and he wanted it to go into the right . When I get to the top of my backswing , yes my left knee is pointing behind the ball but it looks a bit forward compared to my right.
Is this correct
Regards
Paul
February 9, 2013
Paul WilsonPaul,
From the down the line view it will look like the left knee is forward because your hips have rotated. You cannot have the left knee go behind the ball without it coming out from the down the line view.
September 19, 2014
DaveHi Paul:
Just watched your previous tips on one piece takeaway, where you state that the hips don’t turn until after position #1. So I was wondering at what point do the hips begin to rotate,and the left knee begins to go behind the ball. Would it be as you pass position #1 and get into the 20 degree club offset/wrist hinge position. I hope I explained this correctly. I’m just trying to slowly match your positions , and then incorporate them into a continuous backswing. By the way that tip on the 20degree offset really helped straighten out my drives. As well Paul, could you give me a link to your full swing video on the driver that is in Super Slow motion, both in front and down the line. I’ve looked all over your tips and can’t seem to locate it again. Thanks for all the help.
September 19, 2014
Paul WilsonDave,
This would be after position 1. The shoulders move the most. If you stabilize the lower body to the point it did not move at all your shoulders would only turn back 45 degrees. To continue the shoulder rotation your hips and knees would half to move. So turning the shoulders upwards of 90 degrees pulls the lower body into perfect position.
Watch:
Hips: https://ignitiongolf.com/turning-hips/
How To Stabilize The Lower Body In The Backswing (belt buckle at ball): https://ignitiongolf.com/stabilize-lower-body/
Coiling: https://ignitiongolf.com/learn-coil-backswing/
September 19, 2014
Paul WilsonDave,
I don’t have a tip that is full swing driver front and DTL. Maybe I talked about it in a tip or two.
Here are a few:
Release Angles: https://ignitiongolf.com/downswing-release-angles/
More Wrist Release Angles: https://ignitiongolf.com/wrist-release-angles/
Impact Hip Rotation (at camera): https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-hip-rotation/
Lower Body Through Impact (top View): https://ignitiongolf.com/back-knee-impact/
February 20, 2016
Bill FreemanPaul,
This was helpful to me. I realized I am trying to create torque by not turning the lower legs.
But related to this is the right leg position: should the right leg maintain its original amount of bend, or is it ok for it to straighten?
Thanks,
Bill
February 21, 2016
Paul WilsonBill,
You should have the same amount of flex. If it straightens you lose torque. Here is the drill I still do to this day:
DRILL: Bounce On Back Knee: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-bounce-knee/
Also:
Flex Back Knee: https://ignitiongolf.com/backswing-back-knee
Flexed Back Knee Holding Knee: https://ignitiongolf.com/lower-body-stability/
February 20, 2016
LawrencePerryFor an older golfer, is it bad to raise the left heal a little bit in the turn. I try to not have a full body sway.
February 20, 2016
LawrencePerry“heel” I meant
February 20, 2016
LawrencePerry“heel”
February 21, 2016
Paul WilsonLawrence,
I am okay with it lifting a tiny bit. The more you lift the more you lose torque. You need torque to coil and uncoil consistently so be careful.
Watch:
Lift Heel or Not: https://ignitiongolf.com/lift-heel-backswing/
February 20, 2016
RandyGormanDid you read Brandel Chamblee’s article in Feb 2016 Golf magazine in which he promotes lifting the left foot, turning the left knee significantly behind the ball, going past parallel, letting lower body turn well past 45 degrees and dropping/pointing the left shoulder down at takeaway? He basically says the conventional teaching of restricted lower body movement, level shoulder turn, club to parallel, ect.. ruined his swing and career and in his new book says all the greats did so, except for the super athletes (Rory, Jason, Jordan). I have seen other teachers adopting similar thoughts, especially dropping the left shoulder on the takeaway. I suspect you will disagree, but you also have noted the most important part of the swing is the follow through and ending position, so, is there some substance to the different thoughts on the takeaway?
February 21, 2016
Paul WilsonRandy,
We know more about the golf swing now as opposed to 30-50 years ago. You are coiling to get torque. You are not over coiling or hurting yourself. Once you have torque you will uncoil consistently. You do not and will never hit 300-500 balls per day. How, with no torque and trying to hit the golf ball with your arms are you ever going to repeat your golf swing. When you lift the heel your lower body turns too much. This gives you power in the arms to hit the ball with your arms.
I did this swing when I was a kid. I hit the ball everywhere. I hit 1000 balls per day everyday for over 2 years and never go it.
Steep shoulder turn vs. a more elver turn. Who did a steep shoulder turn back then. Jack … No. Watson … No. Hogan … no. No idea what he is taking about here. The steep shoulder turn came into the swing when people started doing a one plane swing.
I just watch Chamblee’s golf swing. He has not clue what is problem is/was. He changes his grip as soon as he takes the club back. This actives the arms and shuts the face at the top. He then has to slide to square the face which is very inconsistent. He also hangs back way too much on this back foot.
I have always said, never get a lesson from tour pros or rocket scientists. They have no clue.
Why the follow through is the most important position is because if I can get people to only do that they hit the ball better than they ever have in their life. This is tried and tested over 25 years. Not one word about the backswing. How does that happen?
February 21, 2016
garymeyersPaul,
That may be the most unusual, but fantastic tip about the backswing I have ever heard! I tried it right after watching your Daily Tip, and I could immediately feel the difference in the feeling of power stored at the top of my backswing, and unleashed as I was coming through! You should consider making that one part of your standard explanation of the “full swing.” I have never heard anyone describe that movement of the forward knee, but for me it brings my understanding of your backswing approach all together. Before hearing that, I had a hard time understanding, or feeling how you could build so much power on the backswing, with so little movement. Now I think I get that…
February 21, 2016
Paul WilsonGary,
Glad you liked it. Thanks.
This is important in allowing you to coil properly. If you don’t coil properly you won’t uncoil. You should have this master in a few practice sessions. This is pretty easy because it is a totally different feeling. Keep at it.
April 4, 2019
MikeMullanPaul, really glad I found your site! How far should the front knee move in? I’m conflicted as I used to use a lot of front knee forward motion in my back swing which I thought generated power as I pushed off on the downswing.
Anyway I got your videos and signed up on Monday of this week, practiced for 2 nights and then played 18 Wednesday and found my driver getting close to the yardages I had before I got hurt this past year. Thought I was going to have to quit playing a slipped disc in the neck is difficult to come back from but searching for a body swing lead me to your conten and your swing has got me playing again and oh btw I shot 85 and could of easily been 3-4 shots lower ifit weren’t for a few stupid mistakes.
First time in the bunker I overswung a little but the next 2 bunker shots got out easily thanks to you! Sorry for the long ramble, but I have read and watched damn near everything studying the swing over the years and yours has to be the simplest, most effective way to swing that’s also easy on the body. Keep up the good work and thanks again for helping me enjoy the game again!!!
April 4, 2019
Paul WilsonMike,
Glad to have you on board. The knee will move have of the hips so 22.5 degrees if the hips move 45.
Let the shoulders move the hips. The hips move the knees into perfect position. Consistently.
As you see there will be no back pain here. If my swing hurts in any way you are doing it wrong. Not fun playing in pain.
Nice bunker shots. So simple. I am going to do another tip at some point making it even easier for everyone.
Keep at it. I see low 80’s if not high 70’s in the very near future.