Hi (from Australia) Paul, great tip as usual… My question combines the roll over drill and arm extension drill… How “rolled over” should the club/arms/wrists be at the arms fully extended position… I have been trying this at the range and when it works I literally add 10+ mph to my normal swing…!!!.. But still inconsistent…
Thanks – Ian
Thanks Paul. I have been been practicing diligently on this rollover drill/turning/finishing and have had fantastic results. Hitting consistent straight drives and short irons. I have developed a push fade with my long irons that I cannot work out of. I feel confident in y practice swings but cannot get good results in the full swing. It’s in my head now whenever I play. If I use hybrids in place of irons, no problem with the fade. Any help would be appreciated.
I watch these tips and I swear you have been spying on me on the range. Every little tweak, push fade and timing issue that you describe is exactly what I have been doing for years. These videos give me so much motivation to get out and fix my swing. Thanks so much – Matt
I’ve been working on your method for a few years now. I did video lessons with Pete and he helped me clean some things up. Looking at video of my swing, I could see my hips driving and my arms stretching out. It all looked pretty darn good. But, still, I was hitting everything thin and always felt like I was coming over the top. I always stuck with your drills, but for the last 8 months, I felt like I’d run into a wall and couldn’t progress. No matter how I approached the problem (maintaining spine angle, relaxing arms, driving hips harder), I could not get the club head to extend that last inch down and through the ball. This led to me spraying it everywhere.
One phrase that you use often on the site when people complain about coming over the top is “getting onto your left side too soon.” I have thought about this statement seemingly hundreds of times, but it just never quite clicked with me. I was turning my hips – why wasn’t this working?
Then a few weeks ago after watching some video, I realized that all the weight was coming off my right foot almost as soon as I started the downswing. My right knee was almost even with my left leg at impact. When I looked at swing sequences of the pros (especially Ernie Els), their legs weren’t anywhere near this position.
So, I decided to keep my right heel more firmly planted as I initiated the downswing with the hips. It was a much different feeling than I’d experience before. It felt like the hip turn was gradually pulling the right heel off the ground, but the right foot stayed pretty much flat until my belt buckle was back even with the ball. I had a much more solid base for the hips to turn atop. This change did away with any sliding and “power lunge” I was having before. No more over the top either – the club stayed on a decent plane.
Looking back on the last few years, I feel like I missed an essential foundational piece of your teaching early on. In my mind, if I just turned my hips, then I was doing it correctly. I kept thinking that it was some other part of the swing that was causing my troubles – not releasing the wrists, not maintaining spine angle, losing right knee flex in the back swing, on and on. I feel like I tried everything without ever understanding the hip turn and weight shift connection. And believe me, I’d watched that video several times too!
Sorry for the long, over-personal post, but as someone who has watched your videos to death, I think you could make the idea of “getting on your left side too soon” a little clearer to people. Would I be correct in re-phrasing it as, “your right heel coming off the ground too soon?” It might save someone a lot of grief and back pain to start learning to turn with both feet firmly planted and then gradually loosen up the right foot until they can do the full touch the legs position. I think you’ve even recommended something similar in a comment you left to someone on the site.
Before this started to click for me, playing 18 holes felt like a physical and emotional beat down. I was exhausted and my lower back felt terrible. The past few rounds have literally felt like 0% energy expenditure and I’m having a ton fun out there. I may not have the weight shift and turn down perfectly, but it’s really night and day.
I think people who try to use the hips to drive the swing are at a real risk of spinning out. It would be invaluable for us if you’d explain the details behind “getting on your left side too soon” statement.
Your site and materials are amazing. Thank you for all that you do for us.
Whenever I see this I get people to hit 20 shots flat footed in the back foot through impact. This slow it down. Then I get them to not think about it and voila it’s fixed.
The rotation of your hips should be pulling this foot off of the ground. Just stay flat footed and turn your hips. You will get to maybe 30 degrees and you will start to feel a tightness in your back. To relive this pressure the heel would lift. Most amateurs 90 plus percent are flat footed when they hit the ball ball because they are not turning enough. So although you were lifting too much you are at least in the 10%. Just nee to not lift too soon.
If you have a good swing but still fade or slice, why isn’t it a good idea to make an adjustment to a slightly stronger grip to bring the club to square at impact?
For the sake of rolling it sooner and doing the roll over a little longer you will fix it for life.
When people are trying to the roll over and still fade it they are swinging way too hard. Slow down. This will give you more time to roll it. The objective it to roll it early and hook it and get the release working. The objective is not to hit great shots if you are working on this. Slow down to the point you can hook it then speed up the body later for more power.
If you have a good swing you should master this roll over in about 2 seconds.
Your arms are connected to your body. Turn your body and your arms will move. If you are dropping you have 1/4 of a second to hit the ball from the top. If you drop you have already hit the ball. When will you turn? Arms being pulled down. This is sort of the feeling if your body is moving. If your arms were turned off and you turned you body your arms would be pulled down by your body. The correct feeling is nothing in your arms and an unmistakable feeling you hit the ball with your legs and hips.
Paul,
Happy New Year!
When you say that we have to change our thought after doing the rollover drill by switching to the body thought, are you assuming that the wrists will continue to rollover automatically because we have trained them to do so ? In other words, by using the lower body correctly (getting ahead of the club), the wrists do still have to rollover in order to get a straight shot ? As far as I’m concerned, I can now hook the ball easily. However I noticed at the range that I still have to consciously rollover even when I am concentrating on the lower body move. After all, that’s only 2 thoughts to have, so why do you want us to forget the wrists? Is there really a risk of overdoing the rollover? Thank you,
Raoul
Yes, you would do the roll over for more power because if you just increase the lower you will hit pushes and push fades. You need to get to the point when you rarely ever put slice spin on the ball. At this point, why think about rolling it (you are already rolling it). At this point you are focusing on body rotation only.
Yes, it is a distinct feeling to roll the wrists. Even though you are not thinking about it you should still be able to replicate this feeling even when thinking about something else.
Well if you are rolling it and rarely putting slice spin no it why think about it? The less thoughts the better. So you think about legs and watch your ball. If you hit pulls or pull hooks you start the legs sooner. If you blow it right you back it off. I think you need to watch this tip:
Like many I fought a slice for many years. Finally I went to a strong grip and was able to hit a fairly consistent draw. As you know a draw is life changing on the course. A more authoritative solid drive, and yea distance. All was well.s
Then I retired, joined a club, started playing 4-5 times a week. Golfers elbow, then both elbows. So painful I had to stop playing for a month. I went to your videos and gave up the strong grip in favor of the neutral grip. I could play without pain agin again and that was good enough. Thanks for getting me back on the course!
Some straight and some pushes and some big slices. Back to the videos and rolling the wrists and producing the snap hooks. Got it. Turn the hips more, balance that with the rolling. Some straight, some fades, some slices and some hooks.
But I want the draw back. One of you videos says the turning of the hips gets your path inside out, but then the face is open if you don’t roll at the perfect time you have an out of bounds experience.
Yesterday I tried focusing on the inside back of the ball and hit a couple of nice draws with the driver. Question is, what can we focus on after feeling the stretch at of the left side at the top to get the swing coming from the inside and pushing out?
To hit the draw you need 2 flaws. Strong grip and a slide. Then you need to practice twice as hard to time these 2 flaws.
So if you want to do it you need to tilt behind the ball more than necessary. This is what you would be thinking after you coil. In doing so you will see the back of the ball as you hit the ball. You will also see the path out to the right. Couple this with a strong grip and you’ve got it. Give it a try and see if you can do it.
Paul, I work on the roll over and the touch your legs and moving the lower body first, but still am pulling and sometimes hooking. Yesterday, I tried to self diagnose and saw that I was not loose enough in the wrists– although I thought I was. So instead of releasing about 3 feet past the ball with my driver, was holding on to long with my wrists and it seems to me that results in the pulling and hooking. So tried to have looser wrists and had tremendous success. So checking with you, was I correct? And this cause be another error that many of your followers experience. Maybe you could show a third nasty shot resulting from practicing the roll over and moving the lower body first in addition to the slice and pull hook by rolling the wrists too much. best regards, Dick
The roll over drill is just a drill. Once you get it you stop thinking about it and keep the arms turned off. You did this once you turned them off so keep this in mind for the future. Any time you feel tight or start putting slice spin you roll it a few times to unlock. Then it is always back to legs and hips to hit your shots.
I think you mean to say when you held on too long you were pushing and push fading. Yes, this would be holing on though which is not what you needed to do (as you found out). Once you go the roll over you got it. Still feel it but don’t make it happen. Let it happen.
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22 Responses to “After The Roll Over Drill”
April 29, 2016
drj0420Now that was a great video. Very well explained, simple, and it makes total sense. You are the best !
April 30, 2016
Paul WilsonMark,
Glad you like the tip. Thanks.
April 29, 2016
IanGallowayHi (from Australia) Paul, great tip as usual… My question combines the roll over drill and arm extension drill… How “rolled over” should the club/arms/wrists be at the arms fully extended position… I have been trying this at the range and when it works I literally add 10+ mph to my normal swing…!!!.. But still inconsistent…
Thanks – Ian
April 30, 2016
Paul WilsonIan,
This is a drill. This means you are rolling it to get it hooking. It is not an exact roll over amount in the through swing. It is enough to hook it.
I think these are the tips that will help:
DRILL: Watch Your Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-watch-release/
Three Quarters Through – Lead Arm Position: https://ignitiongolf.com/follow-through-lead-arm-bending/
DRILL: Extend the Back Arm for Power and Consistency: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-extend-back-arm/
DRILL: Re-Hinge the Club to 90 Degrees: https://ignitiongolf.com/drill-rehinge-club-90-degrees/
April 29, 2016
MikeVintonThanks Paul. I have been been practicing diligently on this rollover drill/turning/finishing and have had fantastic results. Hitting consistent straight drives and short irons. I have developed a push fade with my long irons that I cannot work out of. I feel confident in y practice swings but cannot get good results in the full swing. It’s in my head now whenever I play. If I use hybrids in place of irons, no problem with the fade. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
LEFTY MIKE
April 30, 2016
Paul WilsonMike,
You need to swing a little easier with longer clubs. You are trying to swing them too hard. Harder you hit, the tighter the wrists.
How to Hit Long Irons: https://ignitiongolf.com/hit-long-irons/
April 29, 2016
MatthewHalpinI watch these tips and I swear you have been spying on me on the range. Every little tweak, push fade and timing issue that you describe is exactly what I have been doing for years. These videos give me so much motivation to get out and fix my swing. Thanks so much – Matt
April 30, 2016
Paul WilsonMatt,
That’s right. I am always watching. You better practice the right way.
Glad you are motivated. If you are push fading it you must be a better player and close to getting it. Watch the slide through impact.
Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/cure-slide/
You Better Check This Especially If You Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/slide-turn-foot-out/
Easy Way To Cure A Slide: https://ignitiongolf.com/easy-way-cure-slide/
April 29, 2016
swingandamissPaul,
I’ve been working on your method for a few years now. I did video lessons with Pete and he helped me clean some things up. Looking at video of my swing, I could see my hips driving and my arms stretching out. It all looked pretty darn good. But, still, I was hitting everything thin and always felt like I was coming over the top. I always stuck with your drills, but for the last 8 months, I felt like I’d run into a wall and couldn’t progress. No matter how I approached the problem (maintaining spine angle, relaxing arms, driving hips harder), I could not get the club head to extend that last inch down and through the ball. This led to me spraying it everywhere.
One phrase that you use often on the site when people complain about coming over the top is “getting onto your left side too soon.” I have thought about this statement seemingly hundreds of times, but it just never quite clicked with me. I was turning my hips – why wasn’t this working?
Then a few weeks ago after watching some video, I realized that all the weight was coming off my right foot almost as soon as I started the downswing. My right knee was almost even with my left leg at impact. When I looked at swing sequences of the pros (especially Ernie Els), their legs weren’t anywhere near this position.
So, I decided to keep my right heel more firmly planted as I initiated the downswing with the hips. It was a much different feeling than I’d experience before. It felt like the hip turn was gradually pulling the right heel off the ground, but the right foot stayed pretty much flat until my belt buckle was back even with the ball. I had a much more solid base for the hips to turn atop. This change did away with any sliding and “power lunge” I was having before. No more over the top either – the club stayed on a decent plane.
Looking back on the last few years, I feel like I missed an essential foundational piece of your teaching early on. In my mind, if I just turned my hips, then I was doing it correctly. I kept thinking that it was some other part of the swing that was causing my troubles – not releasing the wrists, not maintaining spine angle, losing right knee flex in the back swing, on and on. I feel like I tried everything without ever understanding the hip turn and weight shift connection. And believe me, I’d watched that video several times too!
Sorry for the long, over-personal post, but as someone who has watched your videos to death, I think you could make the idea of “getting on your left side too soon” a little clearer to people. Would I be correct in re-phrasing it as, “your right heel coming off the ground too soon?” It might save someone a lot of grief and back pain to start learning to turn with both feet firmly planted and then gradually loosen up the right foot until they can do the full touch the legs position. I think you’ve even recommended something similar in a comment you left to someone on the site.
Before this started to click for me, playing 18 holes felt like a physical and emotional beat down. I was exhausted and my lower back felt terrible. The past few rounds have literally felt like 0% energy expenditure and I’m having a ton fun out there. I may not have the weight shift and turn down perfectly, but it’s really night and day.
I think people who try to use the hips to drive the swing are at a real risk of spinning out. It would be invaluable for us if you’d explain the details behind “getting on your left side too soon” statement.
Your site and materials are amazing. Thank you for all that you do for us.
April 30, 2016
Paul WilsonJames,
Glad you like the tips. I appreciate the feedback.
This is the longest reply since the site started. Wow.
I actually just taught a gentleman lifting his heel to high off of the ground in the downswing. I have a tip coming. In the meantime:
Impact Back Heel Off Ground: https://ignitiongolf.com/impact-back-foot/
Whenever I see this I get people to hit 20 shots flat footed in the back foot through impact. This slow it down. Then I get them to not think about it and voila it’s fixed.
The rotation of your hips should be pulling this foot off of the ground. Just stay flat footed and turn your hips. You will get to maybe 30 degrees and you will start to feel a tightness in your back. To relive this pressure the heel would lift. Most amateurs 90 plus percent are flat footed when they hit the ball ball because they are not turning enough. So although you were lifting too much you are at least in the 10%. Just nee to not lift too soon.
May 1, 2016
DaleJenkinsIf you have a good swing but still fade or slice, why isn’t it a good idea to make an adjustment to a slightly stronger grip to bring the club to square at impact?
May 1, 2016
Paul WilsonDale,
Because you cannot have loose wrists with a strong grip. If you did you would hook everything. Now you need another flaw to keep the ball in play.
Strong Grip Stops The Release: https://ignitiongolf.com/strong-grip-stops-release/
For the sake of rolling it sooner and doing the roll over a little longer you will fix it for life.
When people are trying to the roll over and still fade it they are swinging way too hard. Slow down. This will give you more time to roll it. The objective it to roll it early and hook it and get the release working. The objective is not to hit great shots if you are working on this. Slow down to the point you can hook it then speed up the body later for more power.
If you have a good swing you should master this roll over in about 2 seconds.
Here you go:
Still Slicing Even After Rolling?: https://ignitiongolf.com/slicing-after-rolling/
May 9, 2016
ThomasBoyerOk the lower body starts the swing, do my arms follow, no effort or do the get pulled down or dropped?
May 9, 2016
Paul WilsonThomas,
Your arms are connected to your body. Turn your body and your arms will move. If you are dropping you have 1/4 of a second to hit the ball from the top. If you drop you have already hit the ball. When will you turn? Arms being pulled down. This is sort of the feeling if your body is moving. If your arms were turned off and you turned you body your arms would be pulled down by your body. The correct feeling is nothing in your arms and an unmistakable feeling you hit the ball with your legs and hips.
Watch:
It’s An Unmistakable Feeling In Your Legs: https://ignitiongolf.com/unmistakable-feeling-legs/
January 6, 2018
Raoul BintnerPaul,
Happy New Year!
When you say that we have to change our thought after doing the rollover drill by switching to the body thought, are you assuming that the wrists will continue to rollover automatically because we have trained them to do so ? In other words, by using the lower body correctly (getting ahead of the club), the wrists do still have to rollover in order to get a straight shot ? As far as I’m concerned, I can now hook the ball easily. However I noticed at the range that I still have to consciously rollover even when I am concentrating on the lower body move. After all, that’s only 2 thoughts to have, so why do you want us to forget the wrists? Is there really a risk of overdoing the rollover? Thank you,
Raoul
January 6, 2018
AllenLeHi Paul,
I would like to expand on Raoul’s question. You also mentioned in your power swing video that we should add in the rollover for more power.
So the question again is should we incorporate the wrist/rollover?
January 7, 2018
Paul WilsonAllen,
Yes, you would do the roll over for more power because if you just increase the lower you will hit pushes and push fades. You need to get to the point when you rarely ever put slice spin on the ball. At this point, why think about rolling it (you are already rolling it). At this point you are focusing on body rotation only.
Watch this tip too:
The Ultimate Goal: https://ignitiongolf.com/the-ultimate-goal/
January 7, 2018
Paul WilsonRaoul,
Happy New Year.
Yes, it is a distinct feeling to roll the wrists. Even though you are not thinking about it you should still be able to replicate this feeling even when thinking about something else.
Well if you are rolling it and rarely putting slice spin no it why think about it? The less thoughts the better. So you think about legs and watch your ball. If you hit pulls or pull hooks you start the legs sooner. If you blow it right you back it off. I think you need to watch this tip:
The Ultimate Goal: https://ignitiongolf.com/the-ultimate-goal/
April 28, 2018
SteveHopsPaul,
Like many I fought a slice for many years. Finally I went to a strong grip and was able to hit a fairly consistent draw. As you know a draw is life changing on the course. A more authoritative solid drive, and yea distance. All was well.s
Then I retired, joined a club, started playing 4-5 times a week. Golfers elbow, then both elbows. So painful I had to stop playing for a month. I went to your videos and gave up the strong grip in favor of the neutral grip. I could play without pain agin again and that was good enough. Thanks for getting me back on the course!
Some straight and some pushes and some big slices. Back to the videos and rolling the wrists and producing the snap hooks. Got it. Turn the hips more, balance that with the rolling. Some straight, some fades, some slices and some hooks.
But I want the draw back. One of you videos says the turning of the hips gets your path inside out, but then the face is open if you don’t roll at the perfect time you have an out of bounds experience.
Yesterday I tried focusing on the inside back of the ball and hit a couple of nice draws with the driver. Question is, what can we focus on after feeling the stretch at of the left side at the top to get the swing coming from the inside and pushing out?
April 30, 2018
Paul WilsonSteve,
To hit the draw you need 2 flaws. Strong grip and a slide. Then you need to practice twice as hard to time these 2 flaws.
So if you want to do it you need to tilt behind the ball more than necessary. This is what you would be thinking after you coil. In doing so you will see the back of the ball as you hit the ball. You will also see the path out to the right. Couple this with a strong grip and you’ve got it. Give it a try and see if you can do it.
The Real Draw: https://ignitiongolf.com/real-draw/
October 11, 2018
richardpeyserPaul, I work on the roll over and the touch your legs and moving the lower body first, but still am pulling and sometimes hooking. Yesterday, I tried to self diagnose and saw that I was not loose enough in the wrists– although I thought I was. So instead of releasing about 3 feet past the ball with my driver, was holding on to long with my wrists and it seems to me that results in the pulling and hooking. So tried to have looser wrists and had tremendous success. So checking with you, was I correct? And this cause be another error that many of your followers experience. Maybe you could show a third nasty shot resulting from practicing the roll over and moving the lower body first in addition to the slice and pull hook by rolling the wrists too much. best regards, Dick
October 11, 2018
Paul WilsonRichard,
The roll over drill is just a drill. Once you get it you stop thinking about it and keep the arms turned off. You did this once you turned them off so keep this in mind for the future. Any time you feel tight or start putting slice spin you roll it a few times to unlock. Then it is always back to legs and hips to hit your shots.
I think you mean to say when you held on too long you were pushing and push fading. Yes, this would be holing on though which is not what you needed to do (as you found out). Once you go the roll over you got it. Still feel it but don’t make it happen. Let it happen.